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    I believe Malaysia doesn't have a grading system. Grading system, if any, varies with different countries. Some countries have a system like Open, grade A, grade B, C, D, E, etc. A grade B in say Canada is perhaps 2 grades lower than in Hong Kong. I have had Canadians who were sponsored players by, if I recollect correctly, Victor and to me they were closer to some D/E players in Hong Kong.
    The best and simplest grading system is very good and not very good.

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    well each country has its own grading system the only flaw lies in when comparing 2 conutries such as taneepak's example and it is true that there are small countries out there with professional players but when they get compared to a bigger country that does more training etc then the profesional players from the small country might get stuck near the bottom compared to the larger countries players.

    just what i think about it:

    a beginner is somebody who is starting to or has learnt the basics but is not consistint and doesnt have very effective footwork to move or cover the court. they cant place the shuttle where they want it to and are more or less just hitting it back and forth learning how to hit it where they want it to go.

    an intemediate player is a player who has developed footwork and consistincy as well as some game stragety. they still arnt super consistint or the fastest on court however. they are starting to get into physical shape or are in a decent physicl shape in terms of fitness and all. they are able to start to put the shuttle where they want it but under the pressure of a game things might not always be friendly for them.

    an advanced player is one who has furthered their consistincy and does not crash under pressure or let their shots be sffected by pressure as well as honing their footwork to be explosive and fast on court. they know what shots to play and when to play them. ontop of that they are in great physical shape. they are able to place the shots where they want them to go.

    a professional player is somebody who represents their country internationaly in tournaments, holds a world ranking or has held one, or is paid to play and represent as well they most likley hold a sponsorship. and yes have greater qualities than an advanced player.

    just my opinion on that.

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    Beginner - Men who play badminton to court women or women who play badminton to know more men.

    Intermediate - People who have nothing better to do after works.

    Advanced - Players who bet more than RM10 a game.

    Professional- People who feel bored playing badminton but badminton is the only way they know how to earn a living.

    Just my 2cents!

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    r there shots that a person at a level should be able to hit/return
    bcz its difficult to judge someone by saying that i 'move around the court pretty well' . i know the right technique to hit the shots but lack consistency, so where would u place me?

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    Thumbs up As long as you are enjoying playing Badminton, you should be happy

    Quote Originally Posted by saifiii View Post

    r there shots that a person at a level should be able to hit/return bcz its difficult to judge someone by saying that i 'move around the court pretty well' know the right technique to hit the shots but lack consistency, so where would u place me?

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    saifiii ... Probably, you are an Intermediate player.

    But why worry about which level you are at?

    As long as you are enjoying playing Badminton, you must be happy.


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    Unless you are comparing players who have world rankings, any grading system is either local in scope or arbitrary.

    This division of players -- into beginner, intermediate, or advanced -- can be useful for a club or small group. But outside a small group, it becomes meaningless.

    Despite the meaninglessness of these classifications, players still want to know which category they fall in. Asking a player for his level of play is futile, because you get a response that is based more on personality than anything objective. The response tells you nothing about his real level of play, but it does tell you something about his personality or how he feels about himself.

    So we have a hopelessly vague standard, which is further confused by players being either modest or boastful.

    I have no idea whether I'm a beginner, an intermediate player, or an advanced player. I have no definitive frame of reference. Next to complete beginners I may look like a pro; next to a pro, I look like a complete beginner.

    We had a fun time at one of the Badminton England coaching courses, when we (the coaches) were asked to decide, "What is a beginner?" Needless to say, confusion reigned, and even a room full of coaches could not reach an agreement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    Beginner - Men who play badminton to court women or women who play badminton to know more men.

    Intermediate - People who have nothing better to do after works.

    Advanced - Players who bet more than RM10 a game.

    Professional- People who feel bored playing badminton but badminton is the only way they know how to earn a living.

    Just my 2cents!


    I could never get bored of badminton, not even if I was as good as Lin Dan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danstevens View Post


    I could never get bored of badminton, not even if I was as good as Lin Dan.
    if u got a chance.. try playing badminton 8hours aday, 6days week..

    after 8hours of playing, start watching your own replays for 4hours...



    You have no idea that most retire pro players hardly play the game anymore, they just earn a living by coaching!

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    I would love to play for 8 hours a day. I play for at least 5 on Saturdays already. OK, the replay thing would be tedious but if you want to be number 1, you'd have to do it.

    Also, even earning a living through coaching is still badminton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danstevens View Post
    I would love to play for 8 hours a day. I play for at least 5 on Saturdays already. OK, the replay thing would be tedious but if you want to be number 1, you'd have to do it.

    Also, even earning a living through coaching is still badminton.
    5hours a week is nothing compare to 8x6 a week....

    Most ex international who stick to badminton because that the best way the can earn a better living through coaching...

    there isnt love anymore, is routine...

    their love is more towards G0lf!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SibugiChai View Post
    if u got a chance.. try playing badminton 8hours aday, 6days week..

    after 8hours of playing, start watching your own replays for 4hours...



    You have no idea that most retire pro players hardly play the game anymore, they just earn a living by coaching!
    Actually in Indonesia, they're still playing xD... You can always find some money on the field through Bet lol ! Nah just kidding, most of them are coaching (as you say ~_~)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    jk1980 ... This might help (based on the criteria used by our club).

    Basically, we can classify players into 3 categories:
    Beginner
    Intermediate
    Advanced


    (1) Beginner:
    A. Skill to perform all strokes required ......... Poor
    B. Knowledge of the Badminton laws .......... Lacking

    (2) Intermediate:
    A. Skill to perform all strokes required ......... Good
    B. Knowledge of the Badminton laws .......... Adequate

    (3) Advanced:
    A. Skill to perform all strokes required ......... Excellent
    B. Knowledge of the Badminton laws .......... Comprehensive

    As for Professionals; If you get paid to play, then you are one.

    Hope you will enjoy your Badminton... regardless of what levels you are at.


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    Well... That's odd I've seen someone with a good "putting" skill xD... But has sticky leg, can't move good. Is this still considered Advanced...? I'd put him at intermediate xD... Since that means he got bad bad footwork.

    I think there must be certain ratio of saying what's good what's bad.

    Example :
    Skill / Technique (30%)
    Footwork (20%)
    Accuracy (10%)
    Mental (10%)
    Composure (5%)
    Tactics (5%)
    Stamina / Body (10%)
    Power (10%)

    Beginner <55
    Intermediate <65
    Advanced <80
    Professional 80++

    This should do it xD... Judging a player at certain level by watching at this points. Other opinion is appreciated xD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post
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    saifiii ... Probably, you are an Intermediate player.

    But why worry about which level you are at?

    As long as you are enjoying playing Badminton, you must be happy.


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    A loose form of grading/ranking system would help exactly in forums like this where we can opt to join groups within our grade/rank.

    Otherwise it's probably too boring for the better players if joining a group of noobs. And for noobs like me it's gonna be a massacre if we joined a bunch of pros.

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    The table's good. But I think the gap between Intermediate and Expert is a bit too large. Probably can fit a few levels like High Intermediate or Advanced in between.

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    Ratings of players depends on where you are living. In the U.S. I would say that most players consider badminton the game you play on the lawn while waiting for the food to barbeque. The places I play at are open to anyone wanting to play regardless of previous experience. Most do not care about court position, tactics, deception, or scoring. Just having a rally with 8 or 10 hits is as exciting and as much fun as the game with advanced players.

    So ranking of players according to their ability is only important for those who want to participate in a tournement and has no bearing on the level of enjoyment you get from the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by K4mu1 View Post

    Well... That's odd I've seen someone with a good "putting" skill xD... But has sticky leg, can't move good. Is this still considered Advanced...? I'd put him at intermediate xD... Since that means he got bad bad footwork.

    I think there must be certain ratio of saying what's good what's bad.

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    K4mu1 ... In Australia, we grade players for friendly competition purposes only. It is really for certain groups of players of similar standards do play together in our competitions.

    Many moons ago, I was the Official Grader for the Sydney Badminton Association. I have to play against and/or to watch the ability of each player. And then I grade them. And tell you what, it's not that easy.

    Many factors are involved (like what you have said):
    Skill
    Technique
    Experience
    Knowledge
    Tactics
    Age
    Fitness
    Composure
    Mental
    Stamina
    Speed
    Power
    Footwork
    Accuracy
    etc...

    And let's say there are 4 grades: A, B, C and D. Within each grade, there can be a big range of skills. For example, the top B-grade players are similar to the bottom A-grade players, and the bottom B-grade players are similar to the top C-grade players. So how do you decide?

    Actually, when I was in Sydney, there was even a grade called the 'A Reserve', which sits between A and B.

    Anyway, we decided that if a player/pair wins a tournament in their grades, they would automatically be promoted to the next higher grade. And we have this rule: Players are only allowed to participate in competitions in their grades or higher, but not lower.

    So, you can see... it's all for social/friendly reasons.

    In true competition conditions, there should be no grading. Anyone should be able to participate to play against others. And this is found in Asian countries.

    Now you know how we do it in Australia.
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