12-15-2008, 10:33 PM #86
It's the participation and the enjoyment of Badminton that we wish to promote
jk1980 ... That's exactly what I wish to indicate.
In my club, we insist that our members to be not arrogant but friendly. We insist that our members, especially the more experienced ones, to help beginners to enjoy Badminton.
It's the participation and the enjoyment of Badminton that we wish to promote.
12-15-2008, 11:01 PM #87
something that we can reference is the tennis rating system:
i read it and it is quite interesting. food for thoughts.
12-15-2008, 11:32 PM #88
12-18-2008, 08:21 PM #89
There can be no chance that grading is so easy... Your explanation is actually more acceptable than mine.
Actually, I'm referring to Yonex Badminton Racket Chart. there are 3 category there, Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced. Maybe we could talk about what's in Yonex mind down here? (Are those level just like me and some others said previously?)
If it comes to Professional, using grades like yours is certain. There always be Black Horse with low rank because s|he's rarely participating in a tourney. Yet s|he won. That's because most badminton tournaments nowadays is using those ranking...
12-18-2008, 08:39 PM #90
12-18-2008, 09:59 PM #91
I have a way of telling whether someone is getting better and it involves testing the players backhand because everyone is weaker to a degree on their backhand;
For a beginner, if you hit a clear deep to their backhand they'll just stand there or swing and miss.
For the same backhand shot intermediate players will reach the shuttle, play a shot and return it but they won't be able to return it deep, maybe half court. If you play all your strokes to an intermediate players forehand net followed by an offensive clear to their backhand rearcourt they won't do very well.
Against advanced players, well they can clear deep off their backhand all the way to the baseline with little effort so to beat them you need all the shots in the book.
In my opinion if you don't have the ablilty to return a backhand from baseline to baseline you can't be an advanced player. Intermediate players can have very good forehand shots but on the backhand they'll fall short. That chart on the previous page showed this with the backhand clear/smash being the hardest shot in the book.
12-19-2008, 10:08 AM #92
I just don't think you can grade somebody on how well they play one shot.
12-19-2008, 11:29 AM #93
12-19-2008, 11:30 AM #94
I've seen some recreational players with pretty decent backhand. But they can still be lacking in other areas. In fact sometimes i feel that their backhand makes them lazier. They still can be and will be easily beaten by players who might be...fitter/smarter/having better footwork,but have almost no backhand clear in their game. In fact i've seen so many players with their backhand become their lazy-hand(even advanced players), and it becomes a bad habit. I think overhead can compensate for backhand clear. Just imagine playing a game with XXF. How many of us here can actually FORCE a backhand out of her?
Anyway i don't deny that backhand clear can help gauge a player's level but backhand clear ALONE definitely can't be used for classify them into grading bands
Last edited by DivingBirdie; 12-19-2008 at 11:33 AM.
12-19-2008, 01:26 PM #95
You can easily make up for a lack of a backhand clear if you want to and a round the head shot would probably be more powerful and accurate. This is the reason I play it where possible and the backhand clear when I have to.
I have to agree with you about the gauging level on the basis of one shot. Somebody could have a really rubbish smash but the rest of their game could be awesome. If you were grading them on their smash, they'd be weak, but their overall game would be very strong.
12-20-2008, 12:08 AM #96
Maybe I should change my level of play in my profile to low intermediate now based on the various grading systems you guys posted.
12-20-2008, 02:41 AM #97
But perhaps each of these (techniques) should be assigned a value. So your grade will depend on how many of these techniques you're able to master.
This way, someone may actually suck at a few of these but excel in the rest to compensate, so may still be considered advanced or high-intermediate.
Any countries/clubs doing something like this? I think Malaysia don't have any such grading system (correct me if i'm wrong)
12-20-2008, 03:22 AM #98
jk1980, I almost qualify as an expert (although I still think I'm far from being one ... too far). The only thing I couldn't do is a powerful backhand smash.
12-20-2008, 03:18 PM #99
One effective way to group badminton players is whether it is their physical, technical, tactical or mental skills that are holding them back.
For physical skills, this would be someone extremely unathletic who would have difficulty hitting basic strokes without physical issues. This person would be classified as a pre-beginner, and would be best off taking a few exercise classes before moving ahead to something more challenging like badminton.
When technical skills are the limiting issue, the player would be beginner to intermediate. The key here is consistency. Can the player consistently play good shots without unforced errors? In singles, just keeping shots in against these players would be a good strategy, as mistakes will be made by them fairly frequently. You could separate this into two sub stages: beginner for the basic techniques (clear, drop, smash) and intermediate for the more advanced strokes (1/2 smash, slice, spin).
At the next level, the player is not likely to give you easy points by making mistakes unless you pressure them using good tactical play. This requires having a few "weapons" (e.g. good smash, deception, tactical awareness, etc) on top of a solid technical foundation. This group would be categorized as advanced.
At the highest level, it isn't court skills that are holding a player back, but rather it would be mental skills. These players have access to the best coaches, so what matters most not what skills they've learned by rather their ability to deliver in big competitions. You might categorize this group as elite.
12-20-2008, 03:30 PM #100
12-20-2008, 03:45 PM #101
probably the most accurate way of defining your level is your international playing class, or if you haven't been ranked you should play with your friends (if you have ones ) who have been ranked and compare your skills to theirs...
Intermediate=D- to C- class
Advanced=B- to A-class
12-20-2008, 05:19 PM #102
Beginner - Started to play badminton. Did not master any of the basic skill at all.
Just know how to hit the shuttle when if cross over the net. Miss hit is
normal. No plan at all.
Intermediate - Mastered some basic skill but not all. Play once or twice a week. Lacking in stamina, accuracy and court coverage. Able to beat beginner easily.
They can control the shuttle but lack power especially back hand and jumping smashes. Not deceptive enough and wrist work is lacking.
Advanced - Mastered all basic strokes and some advanced technique like foot work, jumping smashes, back hand smashes, good defences. Good court coverage with can beat intermediate players easily. Normally plays at least 3 - 4 times a week with extra physical training like weight training and endurance sports like running and jogging. They have got better stamina than intermediate and uses less energy due to their sense of court coverage and know how to conserve energy and control emotion. They don't brag about their skill. They just do the talking in court. They normally win some tournament at maybe state level but still not good enough to play professionally.
Professional - These are actually a bunch from the advance level but they actual earn a living playing badminton. They can be coach, players, or assistant coach. Some of these guys open shops / clinnic to teach and sell equipment. They know all the nitty gritty about the game. They actually make money from it...ha ha. Of course they are slightly better than advance because they contribute to the sport, these are the main man.
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