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    Grading a player by skills is very different to grading by tournaments category. A retired but unfit Zhao Jianhua would have the highest skills but he wouldn't survive one round in say an under-19 national championship in Malaysia. The same with Tan Aik Huang.
    I believe in Malaysia all the badminton academies define badminton skills as stroke-making, apart from footwork, fitness, physical, agility ability.
    It is therefore inappropriate to grade players by skills cateogy.

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    My children are aged 8 & 5. Both play badminton and the eldest holds his own at U11 tournaments. For him getting a medal is the best boost to his confidence. For me, it causes a problem when he doesn't win a medal as I need to boost his morale, usually saying that "he played well and remember you're the youngest in the age group and your time will come" etc etc. I notice the huge boost in confidence when my sons gain a new badge or certificate in the swimming lessons that they attend. There are 12 levels, each level has 1 lesson per week for 12 weeks and hopefully they move up to next level after each 12 week period.

    My question is do any other coaches or Junior badminton Clubs use an award system of badges etc for continued development of their learners. I would be interested to know the format used to grade them. There were similar awards given by Ashaway and Karakal a few years ago, technical awards and skill awards but these weren't like a weekly assessment.

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    I don't know any badminton coaches that do that but it's certainly a good idea. Perhaps you could develop a system?

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    badminton isnt easy to grade because of the various skills involve,

    i would say it all down to observation

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    It seems that sports such as karate, swimming, gymnastics have a system.
    http://www.merit-badges.com/asp/default.asp

    I will look into this a little more to develop a system. Getting the badges isn't a problem and could be a usefull source of funds for the club. Maybe time to go visit our local karate club, always wondered how they got their kids to stand and practice for hours! lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by coachgary View Post
    It seems that sports such as karate, swimming, gymnastics have a system.
    http://www.merit-badges.com/asp/default.asp

    I will look into this a little more to develop a system. Getting the badges isn't a problem and could be a usefull source of funds for the club. Maybe time to go visit our local karate club, always wondered how they got their kids to stand and practice for hours! lol
    That's because, when learning karate and other martial arts, there's always the unspoken promise of being able to beat up someone

    Which kid doesn't want to be one up on another?

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    In other sports like judo one can get a black belt 10th dan (the highest) and he keeps it for life. In badminton one can get an A level or even become a champion of a country for a year and after 10 years he can drop down to become a C grade.
    I have a friend, not even in his late 30s, who used to play singles for Hong Kong, but who now considers himself to be down to B grade.
    Some of you may know the owner of Luxis sports in Hong Kong, Ng Kai Si, who at his best was a C grade singles player but who might find it difficult to remain being a C.
    In badminton one can reach an A grade and can then drop down to a D or E grade when his playing days are over. But a black belt 10th dan is always a black belt 10th dan.

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    Hi guys, I don't really know if I should post here or start a new thread, but I was just wondering what skill level I am at.

    Reading from the previous posts, I'm thinking somewhere around intermediate, but some posts relegate me to beginner.

    Anyway, I play around once or twice a week, around 1-3 hours each. I know it's quite short but I have a lot of school work that eats up my time.

    I've been playing badminton seriously for about 3 months now. I guess i can make baseline clears well enough. Usually on the offensive side though (the clear that doesn't go very high but reaches the other side. Forehand by the way. I think I can do backhand clears as well but sometimes I get inconsistent (There are times that I just don't hit the shuttle).

    I think I can smash a little, though I often notice that my smashes aren't steep enough. When I am in midcourt and I smash it reaches the opponent's midcourt to rearcourt and around 40% of the time they can return it. I've tried a little jump smashing for the heck of it, but only around 45% of the time do I hit it, and it's not refined enough to make it much better than my normal smash. So ultimately it's not that useful to me as it just lessens my time to recover.

    I do like drop shots from midcourt and rear court, though it's still not perfect. I get to make the shuttle go where I want it (left side, right side) and near enough to the net, but sometimes it's too high that it's smashable and sometimes it just hits the net. It is, however, my most used shot as it makes my opponents run (especially after they return a baseline clear) and I guess it works 70% of the time.

    I can also do a little net play, though it's weird that my cross court net shots are more consistent than net shots that I just try to get over the net.

    Oh yeah, I think I don't have that much foot work (or is it court coverage) as I do run a lot. But it's weird that even against players that are much worse than me (usually my classmates), I still move more than they do. Perhaps I'm naturally hyper.

    Well, there it goes, I've tried to describe my playing style in detail, hopefully I can get some answers from you badminton gods out there.
    I really am confused on my level.

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    The best thing is to take a video of you playing serious, and then we'll critique and stuff. With words, it's kinda hard to imagine actually how good you are.

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    IMHO one part about grading how good you are is simply whether you can do all those techniques listed. That's for differentiating between beginner and intermediate.
    After that it's a matter of consistency. That would fall under advanced or professional.

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    Having a reference table is certainly a good thing. At the club I am playing we have something similar and have a few categories. Like someone said, categories are only meaningful in a particular context but it serves its purpose. We have around 300 players at the club and in all honestly, categories are a necessity. With that many players the range of skills is pretty huge and it would get very boring for advanced players to play with someone that is just starting, the reverse is also true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelete1234 View Post
    The best thing is to take a video of you playing serious, and then we'll critique and stuff. With words, it's kinda hard to imagine actually how good you are.
    Just a thought....

    If you do take a video, i think i would better to take it when you are playing a competitive game (rather than during practise). I've seen players who are great when practising but somehow the skills/strokes dont really translate when they are playing a competitive game.

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    Arrow In competitions, tactics plays a much bigger role/function

    Quote Originally Posted by vittorio790 View Post

    Just a thought....

    If you do take a video, i think i would better to take it when you are playing a competitive game (rather than during practise). I've seen players who are great when practising but somehow the skills/strokes dont really translate when they are playing a competitive game.

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    IMHO, it is because in competitions, tactics plays a much bigger role/function, more than just depending on production of strokes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by vittorio790 View Post
    Just a thought....

    If you do take a video, i think i would better to take it when you are playing a competitive game (rather than during practise). I've seen players who are great when practising but somehow the skills/strokes dont really translate when they are playing a competitive game.
    I agree with this. Because if you're doing drills you're not playing real badminton, you're just doing drills. If you wanna see how good you are, show it in a game, not in mundane exercises.

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    I'd like to have a system for grading my kids because some are definately better than others but then I need to find another coach to help me. With around 20 kids and 1 hour to coach it gets difficult to manage on your own. There is so much potential but no one to share the load at the coaching level.

    This thread spurred me into making up a student profile & report booklet. I like this because the front page has all the students info and each page has a place for the date and includes 3 categories, 1) Skills development - Stroke play & footwork 2) Discipline - Listening & gamesmenship 3) Teamwork. The profile card will start broad and in the comments section I can then be more specific. Both parents and students will see the results. I'm doing this to monitor progress and to try and get the parents more involved. When parents get interested in their kids acheivements the kids should become more motivated. Because each semester is broken into 9 weeks and there are 4 semesters it allows me to make four good entries into their booklet.

    Maybe others would like to comment on how something like this could be used to grade players. At least this is a start I guess.

    Tim H

    PS> I like the badges idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuctoo View Post
    I'd like to have a system for grading my kids because some are definately better than others but then I need to find another coach to help me. With around 20 kids and 1 hour to coach it gets difficult to manage on your own. There is so much potential but no one to share the load at the coaching level.

    This thread spurred me into making up a student profile & report booklet. I like this because the front page has all the students info and each page has a place for the date and includes 3 categories, 1) Skills development - Stroke play & footwork 2) Discipline - Listening & gamesmenship 3) Teamwork. The profile card will start broad and in the comments section I can then be more specific. Both parents and students will see the results. I'm doing this to monitor progress and to try and get the parents more involved. When parents get interested in their kids acheivements the kids should become more motivated. Because each semester is broken into 9 weeks and there are 4 semesters it allows me to make four good entries into their booklet.

    Maybe others would like to comment on how something like this could be used to grade players. At least this is a start I guess.

    Tim H

    PS> I like the badges idea
    For a start I think you have too many kids to handle in just an hour. Certainly you must be able to manage your time very effectively but if we just divide 60 minutes by 20 kids, it works out to barely 3 minutes per kid for personal attention.

    But of course you will do group work for a longer period. Still if you have another hour to coach them and with an assistant, it will be much better for both the coach and the trainee.

    For example, if you have to test each kid on the respective skills, it will take up all your time in one session.

    And if you want to motivate them further with the suggested badge-award system, which I think is an excellent idea, you need to do double time perhaps.

    Then perhaps you may want to make your session more fun by introducing music, dance (for footwork), videos (of your kids' in training) and competition. Now all these require a great deal of effort, planning and resources!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbuctoo View Post

    I'd like to have a system for grading my kids because some are definitely better than others but then I need to find another coach to help me. With around 20 kids and 1 hour to coach it gets difficult to manage on your own. There is so much potential but no one to share the load at the coaching level.

    This thread spurred me into making up a student profile & report booklet. I like this because the front page has all the students info and each page has a place for the date and includes 3 categories,
    1) Skills development - Stroke play & footwork
    2) Discipline - Listening & gamesmanship
    3) Teamwork.

    The profile card will start broad and in the comments section I can then be more specific. Both parents and students will see the results. I'm doing this to monitor progress and to try and get the parents more involved. When parents get interested in their kids achievements the kids should become more motivated. Because each semester is broken into 9 weeks and there are 4 semesters it allows me to make four good entries into their booklet.

    Maybe others would like to comment on how something like this could be used to grade players. At least this is a start I guess.

    Tim H

    PS> I like the badges idea

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    Timbuctoo ... You are luckier than me... to have just around 20 kids.

    In one of the schools that I am coaching, we have 50 kids over 12 courts. All I can teach them is how to enjoy their Badminton.

    I would never have time to give them students' profiles & grading reports.


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