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06-20-2006, 12:59 AM #171
Thanks for your reply.
My apologies, because I assumed from your post that you were actually working with international players. As we know, players in competition level would be quick to adapt to new rules.
Another question, again to satisfy my curiosity, you were asked to coach a team from a Commonwealth country. I may misunderstood again, is that participating country without a coach?
Lucky you that were able to discuss with other national team coaches. Maybe, just a guess, Malaysia maybe advocating for a stronger attack? It appears to me that these coaches were not prepared for the 21x3 system. Or, it appears to me that they were not expecting the 21x3 system would be implemented at all.
Originally Posted by chris@ccc
06-20-2006, 01:20 AM #172Originally Posted by Loh
It is good as we have agreed the basic.
I would like to ask if the below text is what you think?
The underarm serve is a defensive stroke, as it could be use by the server to inflict the damage on his receiver and thus it could be used to "produce" an attacking shot.
Examples of the direct damages are:
1. Receiver kills or smashes to the net
2. Receiver lifts the shuttle for the server to smash or kill.
3. Receiver fails to take the serve; either he is too late (time factor) or out of position (space factor).
4. Receiver hits the shuttle out
06-20-2006, 01:26 AM #173
I think this was during one of the recent matches between Bao and Peter Gade. In a specific moment Bao played an attacking clear that caught Peter Gade scrambling to retrieve a low backhand in the baseline. Bao went to the net to cover a straight return, but PG was one better, he hit a cross court to Bao's forehand front court that caught Bao totally by surprise. PG won the rally and the point. Do you consider this low cross court net shot (amortie) an attacking shot?
Is a flick serve an attacking shot if the receiver is deceived? How do you classify this same good quality flick serve, if the receiver anticipates it and returns with a smash to the server's face? Harakiri flick serve?
My coach once said that even Han Jian style is an 'attacking' style. But it is specifically Han Jian's style of attack, because he was attacking his opponent - physically and mentally with his shots. Do you then classify Han Jian high clears and lifts attacking shots?
Originally Posted by Loh
06-20-2006, 01:56 AM #174Originally Posted by Chai
I have made some amendments to your text in highlight as answer. The above incidents for me are merely indirect damages as they are not the direct cause of the serve. A direct damage would be when the receiver was caught flat-footed with a flick serve. Your examples are mainly caused by the receiver's error of judgement or totally are unforced, in the sense he was not pressured by the server into making that mistake and that under normal circumstances he should not have made those mistakes.
06-20-2006, 03:06 AM #175Originally Posted by viver
We have seen how much damage a good quality attacking clear can do to the receiver, not necessary a smash or a fast drop shot!
So, much depends on circumstances and the outcome of the rally.
Last edited by Loh; 06-20-2006 at 03:16 AM.
06-20-2006, 03:13 AM #176Originally Posted by Loh
Now the next questions
1.The only "attacking shot" that a defensive underarm serve could produce is to catch your opponet's flat-footed by flicking the shuttle to the back?
2.The rest of the shots in the example are defensive shots?
06-20-2006, 03:48 AM #177Originally Posted by Chai
3. Is it true that a flick serve could "produce" an attacking shot or not is determined purely by the anticipation of the receiver? The server just produces a shot, that is restriced by the rule, in this situation?
06-20-2006, 03:51 AM #178Originally Posted by Chai
Have you seen how a receiver is completely baffled by the server's almost perfect sliced short to the side lines intersecting the short service line? Mentally the receiver is expecting a simple straight low serve to his forecourt which he intends to kill at the net. But the sudden change of
direction caught him by surprise and he either missed the serve enitirely, hit it into the net or mishit it totally.
Another example would be a beautiful straight low serve, perhaps just brushing the tape, to the opponent's forecourt and simply creating a doubt in the mind of the receiver whether it is going to be a fault service. But the bird touches the ss line and is a good one. If the receiver had stood still or made a last-minute attempt to salvage the serve but in the process made a mess of it, then the serve became an attacking shot.
I'm not quite clear about your Q2 as I have given abridged answers to your examples.
06-20-2006, 04:02 AM #179Originally Posted by Chai
If the server detects that the receiver is not quite well positioned for a flick to his backhand and is able to execute a flat and shift 'shooting' serve just higher than the receiver's extended racket, close to the centre and base lines, the receiver may be caught and pressured into returning a weak shot.
Badminton is also a mind game and the player must try to activate his mental faculties to outwit his opponent.
06-20-2006, 04:22 AM #180Originally Posted by Loh
06-20-2006, 04:43 AM #181Originally Posted by Chai
06-20-2006, 05:26 AM #182Originally Posted by Loh
In the simple game of badminton it is anticipated the receiver to attack as he knows the server could only hit the shuttle up, and the server will try to prevent or ready to defend the receiver's attack.
One could always choose different way of thinking.
06-20-2006, 05:36 AM #183Originally Posted by Chai
06-20-2006, 05:44 AM #184
Simplicity is the eye of beholder, just like e=mc2!
06-20-2006, 12:10 PM #185
The Art of Playing BadmintonOriginally Posted by ChaiHi Chai,
Many readers @Badminton Central enjoy playing Badminton as a simple game/sport.
And for those who are more serious at Badminton, they employ a qualified coach to teach them.
But don't get me wrong. Our group of Badminton Central contributors can still be a great source of information. It is just that it is sometimes difficult to teach The Art of Playing Badminton through written words.
Let me give you an analogy... Playing the Piano.
You can go and buy a piano and you can teach yourself to play it by yourself. There can be great enjoyment in playing the piano. And after many years, you would have learned lots of music.
But if you are really serious and want to learn to master music, you will need more information. You can get the info from books, articles, etc... But you will soon find that the written info can only teach The Science of Playing Music. You will have to find a qualified music teacher/coach to teach you The Art of Playing Music.
This is the same for Badminton. Learning The Science of Playing Badminton and learning The Art of Playing Badminton are 2 different things.
Many of my trainees often ask me question relating to techniques/training via email. And I hate answering their question with words because I need a thousand words to explain it. And even with all my effort in trying to explain it in words, they can still get a different idea as compared to what I am trying to tell them.
To me, a Demonstration is essential to teach The Art of Doing Anything, whether it is the Art of Playing the Piano, the Art of Painting, the Art of Cooking, the Art of Kung Fu, etc, etc...
So, after all that I have said above, don't worry too much about it. Enjoy Badminton as you have done in the past. But to learn the The Art of Playing Badminton, it is best to get a qualified coach to demonstrate it to you.
06-20-2006, 12:41 PM #186Originally Posted by chris@ccc
06-20-2006, 04:43 PM #187
Badminton Central: A great source of informationOriginally Posted by ChaiHi Chai,
As I have said in my post...
But don't get me wrong. Our group of Badminton Central contributors can still be a great source of information.
The most important thing is the Enjoyment of Playing Badminton.
Last edited by chris-ccc; 06-20-2006 at 04:50 PM.
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