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    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc
    Why do players/coaches think that the new system favours only the attacking players?
    because to a lot of players/coaches attack=initiative. and initiave would mean you control the rally in order to raise the chances of a bad return, and then finish it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robc06
    My association the Southern Tasmanian Badminton Association has implemented the new scoring system in Div 1 and all state tournament, but not throughout the other divisions.

    The question which has been put to the committee is now, when does it get impleemented in the other divisions? Next roster or next year.
    I can understand why it is so.

    Same thing is happening in Melbourne. Many of us are in the middle of seasonal inter-club competiton. It is not advisable to change to the new scoring system(NSS) in the middle of the competition.

    I would say that your Tasmanian will implement the NSS for your next seasonal competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerby
    because to a lot of players/coaches attack=initiative. and initiave would mean you control the rally in order to raise the chances of a bad return, and then finish it.
    If you have followed this thread from the start, you would have detected we have categorised 3 types of players, namely
    1. attacking-player,
    2. control-player, and
    3. defensive-player.

    Players play according to what suit them best.

    What I found is that because players/coaches recommend that under the NSS it is better to play with an attacking strategy, many control-players and defensive-players are wondering if the NSS is only suitable for the attacking-players.

    Again, as I have said before, may be "OnlyTime Will Tell".

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    yes i Followed that. I just thought coaches think it's better to attack in the NSS because attacking playersn are generally the type of players that take charge in a rally. taking charge=initiative=scoring a point fast.

    another factor could be stamina. Defensive players tend to tire out an opponent, or force an error. contorl palyers tend to rally much to force an error. atacking player tend to run their leggs of to get a point. attacking players can go 110% and score point. and when you reach 11 take a brake. and then do it again. with the OSS they could only do 2 things: go that 11% and last up to 10-6 and then burn out. or go 90-100% and get a tight match.

    personally. with the OSS I was mostly taking initiative and running about in the first set. btu getting more controlled and calm in the second set due to stamina. in most NSS I coudl go the 110% (almost) the entire match.

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    I think its basically based on the fact the defensive type players always used to be those stamina guys who would outlast their attacking opponent...but with this new system there is less emphasis on stamina and so the attacker usually wins the rally...its basically a blow for blow system and if you can get a combo in it's KO for your opponent.

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    Unless it goes to three sets, then stamina plays a part in your game. I havent had a game go to three sets other than last night against the U/17 Coach and I ended up losing the third set because of stamina.

    (That and lack of sleep and too much alcohol on saturday night)

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    Default Why is attacking style better in rally point scoring

    I think attacking style is the best in a short match. If you are a strong attacker, your main problem is running into a good defender and eventually running out of energy and the losing your accuracy.

    Rally point scoring is designed to keep the game short, so the defending players are always under pressure, as the attacker won't lose their strength in a short 10-15min game for example. A control player also won't do well because they don't have the time to get into long rallies and out maneourve his opponent, as the attacker will keep taking the initiative and go all out smashing and quick drops, drives etc.

    Watching the way Lee Chong Wei played at the commonwealth games, he had a great smash and always tried to kill the shuttle within maybe 5 strokes. Yes there is more risk to keep smashing for the lines, but as he won't be involved in a long game, he can use more energy than the normal old system of scoring, where he might save energy by playing a control game when he is serving etc.

    The chinese coaches are training their players for power and speed with less attention to shot variety, rallying, etc. This fits perfectly for rally point scoring. Though I like the exciting match with lots of smashes, it can get boring for the audience, and its always good to see lots of nice net shot and defensive play which we see less of then say 10-15 years ago.

    So in summary I think attacking strategy is the best for rally point scoring due to:
    1. Shorter match time - less stamina required on behalf of the player and so more energy to attack more, as don't need to keep "some in reserve" so to speak
    2. As point can go either way on a rally, it is usually the attacker putting pressure on the defender, not the other way around.
    3. The game is too short for a good control player to really beat a good attacker and you would have to say the percentages of unforced error are higher for the defender of stronger attacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robbo77

    So in summary I think attacking strategy is the best for rally point scoring due to:
    1. Shorter match time - less stamina required on behalf of the player and so more energy to attack more, as don't need to keep "some in reserve" so to speak
    2. As point can go either way on a rally, it is usually the attacker putting pressure on the defender, not the other way around.
    3. The game is too short for a good control player to really beat a good attacker and you would have to say the percentages of unforced error are higher for the defender of stronger attacks.
    i personally don't think Lee Chong Wei is an attacking player, among the top four: Lin Dan, Taufik, Peter Gade and LCW, he smashes the least.

    it will never come back to the old time when pure defense could survive until the attack backfires. however, defense still plays an essential part in every game.

    1. even you are fresh, smash might not be the best option of the shot. so, even stamina is not such a restriction, it does not necessarily translate into more smash. it's case by case.

    2. either it's a point or a service, players fight for it hard. it's just that when you are behind, you cannot afford too many times of exchange of service without really winning a point. if what you say is true, that "the attacker puts pressure on the defender", in the old scoring system, players would do the same thing.

    3. if you say games are now too short for the control/defense players to beat attacking players, you are saying in the old scoring system, it was always the attacking players who established an early lead and the control/defense players made a come back. is that really the case?

    so, my personal opinion is that, under the NSS, players are now attacking more, which is the fact, but it might not be the best strategy. it takes time for the players and coaches and tech experts to figure out what's best.

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    Yeah I agree Lee Chong Wei isn't the most attacking player, but I was watching him play against opponents from the Commonwealth games, who are fairly weak compared to the other countries that play badminton, so he could use more attack than normal.

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    Can someone post a link to the official rules underlined by the new 21 point system? I cant seem to find it... i'm surprised google didnt deliver this time ^^

    Help pls (first post here too...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Player13
    Can someone post a link to the official rules underlined by the new 21 point system? I cant seem to find it... i'm surprised google didnt deliver this time ^^

    Help pls (first post here too...)
    see if this helps:

    http://www.internationalbadminton.org/pressreleasenewscontent.asp?pageid={874B4112-E924-4901-ABAD-6A3E5606F9FF}

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    Default Hi Player13, Welcome to Badminton Central

    Quote Originally Posted by Player13
    Can someone post a link to the official rules underlined by the new 21 point system? I cant seem to find it... i'm surprised google didnt deliver this time ^^

    Help pls (first post here too...)
    Hi Player13, Welcome to Badminton Central

    Find my thread at
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...t=32267&page=4

    In Post #79, you will find the link required.

    For Singles, it's quite simple. For Doubles, some comments I posted there could provide you with more info.

    Cheers... chris@ccc

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    The hardest part Ive found is in tournament trying to accurately score with the score sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Player13
    Can someone post a link to the official rules underlined by the new 21 point system? I cant seem to find it... i'm surprised google didnt deliver this time ^^

    Help pls (first post here too...)
    Neither of the posts above will take you to the new laws, which is what you requested. They are only an an outline of how rally point scoring works with pictures.

    The laws are, of course, on the IBF website. On the home page there is a box at the bottom labelled "New Rally Point System". Just click.

    Alternatively click: http://www.internationalbadminton.or...ointsystem.asp

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    "Attack is the best form of defence"

    I suppose if you attack intelligently your opponent is forced to defend and he can't counter-attack you. This will then place you in a more superior position to initiate the next move. This becomes an advantage.

    As emphasized by some posters, attack is not limited to the smash alone, which is energy sapping, but it includes a variety of strokes that put the shuttle downwards when it crosses the net on your opponent's side. And this could be a pinpointed dropshot, a very tight netplay, a fast block or drive and any shot that brings the bird downwards quickly so that your opponent cannot react in time to return a good shot or he can't attack your shot straightaway. But a good opponent can counter your attack by returning a low, maybe net clinging shot or a block away from you, like cross-court.

    Even with the new 21-point rally system, most of the top players remain consistently good in that they don't crash out in the early rounds of major tournaments. The high-ranking players are the ones who still win titles, although young Chen Jin seems to have benefitted the most in men's singles. This is so because they are better shot/stroke makers and their all-round game is above average.

    I believe on the technical side, the world-class players will not only have to sharpen on their smashes, like adding more power and accuracy, but also to improve in other areas also, such as netplay and a solid defence. If a player can anticipate a powerful smash and use the same power inherent in that smash to return it away from his opponent, that reply will be devastating! So we should expect the overall technical skills to be honed still further.

    When players are almost on par on the technical and fitness fronts, it will most likely be their mental toughness/strength or lack of it that will decide the issue.

    So no more fooling around or entertaining bouts of complacency, laxity or sluggishness, for before you knew it, the match is over and you are the sore loser!
    Last edited by Loh; 05-24-2006 at 04:51 AM.

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    Default Loh, check it for me as you watch the S'pore Open 2006

    Quote Originally Posted by Loh

    I believe on the technical side, the world-class players will not only have to sharpen on their smashes, like adding more power and accuracy, but also to improve in other areas also, such as netplay and a solid defence. If a player can anticipate a powerful smash and use the same power inherent in that smash to return it away from his opponent, that reply will be devastating! So we should expect the overall technical skills to be honed still further.

    When players are almost on par on the technical and fitness fronts, it will most likely be their mental toughness/strength or lack of it that will decide the issue.

    So no more fooling around or entertaining bouts of complacency, laxity or sluggishness, for before you knew it, the match is over and you are the sore loser!
    Hey Loh,

    Did you think there were more attacking/aggressive Singles tactics at the Commonwealth Games, Melbourne 2006? I think you would agree with me that we did not think so. May be, it was too early under the NSS. May be, not many World Top-Ranking Singles Players were playing at the Commonwealth Games, other than LCW.

    Knowing that you will be at the Singapore Open 2006, could you please report to us how this year's Singles tactics are played compared to last year's.

    At courtside, you should see and feel it better. Will you detect changes in Singles tactics played under the OSS versus the NSS?

    Will the attacking/aggressive tactics pay better dividends? Please report on both Ladies and Mens Singles.

    But, of course, enjoy yourself as well.

    Cheers... chris@ccc
    Last edited by chris-ccc; 05-25-2006 at 11:02 AM.

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    the new rules are bad,people will take less risks.

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