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06-01-2012, 05:48 AM #783
06-01-2012, 06:15 AM #784
Typically exaggerating its status to become the second nation after China. Rubbish. In my opinion and based statistical analysis, Thailand is in fact the next nation to become the powerhouse instead India due to their prowess in singles especially women's singles.
They even talk about Korea's lack of depth in singles because they are too fond in doubles ? Hello macha, your Nehwal just got beaten by Bae Younjoo in the second round recently.
You cant even qualify for Thomas Cup and Uber Cup already boasted about new transition into the world order and already envision yourself being second rate to China.
To other powerhouses, step up your game and beat this self-indulgent nation to the ground and send them a rude awakening message. Dont need to show respect to this team that belittles and talks thrash about your badminton standards on the media while boasting about themselves for no apparent reason and justification.
That's why i never like this team particularly because they dont have humility and could be branded as villains in the badminton context.
Apologies for my rudeness. They just touched the sensitive parts about Malaysia and Indonesia (my favourite traditional powerhouse). I have to defend this.
Last edited by Miqilin7; 06-01-2012 at 06:29 AM.
06-01-2012, 06:41 AM #785
you,no hate campaign for anyone,never. You are not doing yourself nor China or INA for that matter any good. On the contrary,if you don't get a hold of yourself,at the rate you're going in your reckless extremist views,you will end up doing much more harm than good,the one who's hurt most is yourself.
In trying your level best to protect,defend and support China's badminton but using the wrong means, you're actually doing her a disservice. Come to think of it,China doesn't need you or anybody to stand up for her - she is more than capable of taking care of herself,she is so powerful badminton-wise that it will be a very long while before anybody is even half-capable of toppling her. Meanwhile,let the rest of the world say what they like,they still have to prove it by beating China on court,so far you know the results;so what if China loses a major title once in a blue moon,it doesn't detract from her greatness, why are you so worried and have to make it your mission in life to champion her cause and ,worse still,doing it the wrong way?
Relax,take it easy,take care of yourself. If you truly love China badminton so much and worship those Chinese idols, I suggest you think of how best to positively further enhance her image,win over more of her critics and increase her growing pool of admirers - this to me is the right thing to do to silence sore losers and sour grapes,if that's what you want.
As for Saina, try to understand the tremendous pressure she is under,just like Lee CW's,carrying India's hope on her shoulders with practically no one to share her burden. If you're so sure she's no real threat to China,why concern yourself so much with her? If you fear she might insult or belittle the INA players,she will be just doing herself a disservice, I'm certain the INA press knows what to do,methinks you over-rated yourself. As it is ,the Indian press is feeding on her for commercial,nationalistic reasons and,I'm afraid,she has unwittingly allowed herself to be taken in. But that's India,China isn't bothered,why should you?
By the way, I've read the two Indian newspaper articles posted here, they make for fascinating reading,spice things up or badminton ex China will be so boring.
On a personal note,friend,I really wish you well. As long as you support China or any nation the proper way,I'm with you;otherwise,a firm no.
06-01-2012, 07:03 AM #786
You are actually arguing your head off with the newspaper written in a sensationalized manner not for experts or professionals but the man in the street. I tell you,if they can quote or interview you for your views, they will gladly publish them to generate more interest to increase readership. Don't get so worked up.
By all means,rebut or refute their opinions if you like but watch what and how you say it. Either you've been somewhat misunderstood for your fervour in upholding your stand or you really have a problem and need to address it. Don't carelessly land yourself in hot soup. Think before you flame.
06-01-2012, 07:35 AM #787
At least India is realistic enough to say they are striving to be second-best for many years to come. So do the rest of the world,and India knows that. Who will say,we strive to be 3rd or 4th best?
And I'm sure they know in the last TUC2012,who's proven to be second-best for now,Korea of course,both in the men's and women's department. Needless to say,India is also aware countries/places like Thailand,Japan and Chinese Taipei are no weaker than them,let alone a declining Indonesia and Malaysia without LCW.
But goals are goals,whether or how they can get there is another matter,the future will tell. Why get so agitated? Those countries you mentioned which you think are better than India will prove it by actions,not words. If somebody wants to indulge in boastful talk,let him be,just simply show him the results,the facts,and present your case in a well-reasoned argument. Never heard of "Pride goes before a fall"?
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06-01-2012, 11:34 AM #788
06-01-2012, 12:12 PM #789
06-01-2012, 01:04 PM #790
06-01-2012, 08:21 PM #791
I believe that in future, IOC could be changing their rules for Badminton
I believe that in future, IOC could be changing their rules.
I have just posted a new thread on the news that our 2014 Thomas & Uber Cups format shall be changed, found located at;
06-02-2012, 03:55 AM #792
Similarly I urge these people to desist and restraint themselves. Surely we don't want our BC forum to be seen as biased,prejudiced,practising double standards and hypocrisy. I am reminded of the age-old Confucian adage:"Do not do to others what you do not want done to yourself". And hypocrites ought to know,when you say a thing is wrong when others do it,it is also wrong when you do it.
Enough said,this thread is on Saina, for those who wish to discuss this subject further can go to the other thread where I've expressed my stand http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...-tactics/page2 Thanks and sorry if I've cross-posted.
Now,I hope I'm satisfied we are all clear about this and we can move on happily discussing and exchanging our views.
Glad to read that the London OG is to be conducted in a group stage format,helps to minimise or prevent "accidents" of early-round knockout for the high-strung contestants. In this case,Saina's chances are higher than in the SS/SSPs or WCs as based on her ranking she could possibly face at most two CHN players. Wish her all the best.
Last edited by Justin L; 06-02-2012 at 03:59 AM.
06-02-2012, 06:29 AM #793
Indonesia Open is a tournament Saina does well historically, so I hope to see some quality matches. Myself and most of my friends think Saina's weak point is always late to retrieve shots in the net area especially on drops. This is something she really needs to address if she is to have any change against WY or LX.
Saina is more evenly matched against WS & WX, the game could go either way.
06-03-2012, 11:02 PM #794
06-04-2012, 12:02 AM #795
Don't you think it's too much?
IMHO, it IS too much.
We, BCers, as a community of Badminton lovers, sometimes make comments that are causing damage or harm to our players/countries.
Perhaps we are not really fans of Badminton, but fans/anti-fans of some particular players/countries.
For me, any good news/comment from BCers about Badminton is good. That's why we are here in this forum (to find and/or give news about Badminton).
But any BAD talk about players/countries will show that certain BCers think more about their preferred idols/countries, and not about our sport that we love.
Last edited by chris-ccc; 06-04-2012 at 12:12 AM.
06-04-2012, 12:21 AM #796
Serious allegation should be back up by facts and evidence.
The People's Republic of China suffers from widespread corruption. For 2010, China was ranked 78 of 179 countries in Transparency International's Corruption Perceptions Index, ranking slightly above fellow BRIC nations India and Russia, but below Brazil and most developed countries. Means of corruption include graft, bribery, embezzlement, backdoor deals, nepotism, patronage, and statistical falsification. It is nearly impossible to conduct significant business in China without participating in corruption.
Since then, corruption has not slowed down as a result of greater economic freedom, but instead has grown more entrenched and severe in its character and scope. In popular perception, there are more dishonest CCP officials than honest ones, a reversal of the views held in the first decade of reform of the 1980s. China specialist Minxin Pei argues that failure to contain widespread corruption is among the most serious threats to China's future economic and political stability. Bribery, kickbacks, theft, and misspending of public funds costs at least three percent of GDP.
In a commercial environment, corruption may be prevalent because many employees aren't loyal to their employers, seeing themselves as "free-agent entrepreneurs" first and foremost. They use their employers as a way to make money, both for themselves and for their "guanxi social-circle network." The imperative of maintaining this social circle of benefits is seen as a primary goal for many involved in corruption.
Official corruption is among the populace's greatest gripes against the regime. One folk saying vividly illustrates how the public sees the issue, according to Yan Sun: "If the Party executes every official for corruption, it will overdo a little; but if the Party executes every other official for corruption, it cannot go wrong." In contemporary China, bribe taking has become so entrenched that one party secretary in a poor county received repeated death threats for rejecting over 600,000 Renminbi in bribes during his tenure. In 1994 in another area officially designated "impoverished," a delegation of the UN Food and Agriculture Organization arrived for a conference on development, but upon seeing rows of imported luxury cars outside the conference site asked the local officials "Are you really poor?" A rare online opinion poll in 2010 by the People’s Daily found that 91% of respondents believe all rich families in China have political backgrounds.
06-04-2012, 12:47 AM #797
Avishek Roy | Mail Today | New Delhi, June 2, 2012 | UPDATED 16:59 IST
Thailand Open Grand Prix Gold: Saina Nehwal eager to regain confidence
Saina has got the top billing in the Thailand Open starting next week.
Saina Nehwal would like to regain her confidence at next week's Thailand Open Grand Prix Gold, where she has got the top billing. A title win for Saina, who suffered a morale-shattering loss at home in the India Open Super Series, would do her a world of good before the London Olympics.
After the Bangkok event, Saina will compete at the Indonesia Open Super Series (June 12- 17) where a tougher test awaits her. Saina is the No. 5 seed in Indonesia with the top four Chinese players - Wang Yihan, Wang Xin, Wang Shixian and Li Xuerui - placed above the Indian.
Apart from Saina, the other four Indian shuttlers - Parupalli Kashyap, Jwala Gutta, Ashwini Ponnappa and V Diju - who have qualified for the Olympics, will miss the Thailand Open. They will instead play in Indonesia and the Singapore Super Series (June 19-24).
National coach and former All England Champion Pullela Gopichand said that not much should be read into Saina not playing in Singapore and competing at a lower-rung event in Thailand.
"Her training was planned in that manner. She started training immediately after the Malaysia Open at the start of the month. That gave her four weeks before the Thailand tournament. Kashyap had a back spasm while Diju was away for his engagement so they began their training late," Gopi Chand told Mail Today.
"We also need time before the Olympics. After Indonesia, Saina will get five weeks to train before the Olympics to work on her game and devising strategies for her opponents."
Saina's only title in five tournaments this year was the Swiss Open where she beat Shixian in the final. In April's India Open Super Series, she lost to unseeded Korean Youn Joo Bae in the second round.
"She has moved on from the loss. We have worked on all aspects of her game," insisted Gopi Chand ahead of the team's departure for Bangkok on Saturday.
In Thailand, the top Chinese players are not competing. The next best after Saina is home favourite Rachanok Inthanon, who is ranked 11th. Last year, Saina had crashed out in the third round losing to Chinese Li Xuerui, who was ranked seventh then.
Gopi said a victory in Thailand will be a big morale- booster. "It is a good event and winning any of these tournaments before the London Olympics is good for the confidence."
Read more at: http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/s.../1/198787.html
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06-04-2012, 02:36 AM #798
06-04-2012, 03:14 AM #799In the war against corruption, we should beat the (stronger) tiger before beating the (weaker) wolves. As for the tiger, we should never show mercy.Let us prepare one hundred coffins, including one for me.The worst case is only a destruction of them and me, but what is that is in exchange is the long-term stability and development of our nation and people’s confidence in our cause."http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/corruption-in-america
What do you think the Occupy Wall Street Movement is about? Also the Enron, Worldcom cases,just to name two.
Corruption In America
In the United States today, it is not just the economy that is crumbling. The entire fabric of society is coming apart as well. Literally almost wherever you look you can find rampant corruption in America. Our federal government is corrupt, our state and local governments are corrupt, our corporations are corrupt and unfortunately average Americans seem to become more corrupt all the time. As corruption becomes widespread in America, trust is breaking down. It is very difficult to know who to trust these days. But a society cannot function without trust. So what are we going to do when all the trust is gone?The SEC announced today that JPMorgan has come to an agreement to pay out 153 million dollars to settle charges related to the sale of a controversial collateralized debt obligation back in 2007. It turns out that a hedge fund that helped pick the underlying assets for the CDO also bet very heavily that it would fail. JPMorgan marketed the CDO as a good investment when they knew that it was garbage.Robert Khuzami, the SEC's top enforcement officer, summed up the charges against JPMorgan this way...."J.P Morgan marketed highly-complex CDO investments to investors with promises that the mortgage assets underlying the CDO would be selected by an independent manager looking out for investor interests"So is anyone going to go to jail for this?Of course not.In fact, not a single bank executive has gone to jail for anything that happened during the financial crisis.So how are we supposed to have faith in the system if nobody is ever held accountable?Are little slaps on the wrist supposed to make us all feel better?The truth is that what JPMorgan did was far from an isolated incident. If you doubt this, just read the following article...."How Goldman Sachs Made Tens Of Billions Of Dollars From The Economic Collapse Of America In Four Easy Steps"Our system is totally sick and corruption is everywhere.Cronyism has become so endemic to our system that nobody really seems bothered by it anymore. For example, just check out this example that was recently reported in The New York Times....In 2009, a judge in Manhattan had a lucrative appointment to hand out: oversight of a diamond district building that was drifting into foreclosure.
Nearly 600 people in Manhattan had been approved for such work. But the job went to a lawyer named Mark D. Lebow, who is the husband of Patricia E. Harris, Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s most trusted aide.
Since then, Mr. Lebow has earned $352,000 in fees, more than $5,000 a week, according to court records.It sure is nice to be "politically-connected", eh?It is not by accident that so many of our politicians (and their family members) become incredibly wealthy.But it is not just among the wealthy and powerful that we are seeing an increase in corruption.All over the United States, thieves are stealing copper wire, train tracks and even drain covers. People are stealing stuff that nobody would have ever dreamed of stealing in the past. Just consider the following example from the Atlanta area....Kids in two Atlanta communities won’t have their neighborhood pools to help beat the summer heat, at least for now. Thieves used what is believed to be sledge hammers to bust walls and break fixtures in bathrooms at Adams and South Bend parks to steal copper, brass and steel.This is how desperate people throughout America are becoming.In another example from the Atlanta area, thieves recently busted into a southwest Atlanta beauty supply store and took off with $30,000 in hair extensions.America is becoming a really crazy place.When times get really hard, people will do whatever they feel they need to do in order to survive.One elderly man down in North Carolina was so desperate that he actually robbed a bank so that he could be put in prison and be given free health care.Yes, you read that correctly.59-year-old Richard James Verone walked into an RBC Bank in North Carolina, handed a clerk a note demanding $1 and sat down and waited for the police to arrive.It turns out that he has a growth on his chest and two ruptured disks but he does not have any health insurance. So he robbed the bank so that he would get free health care in prison.The truth is that our country is rapidly coming apart. As I have written about so many times before, the American Dream is in an advanced state of decay.Once upon a time, cities such as Detroit, Michigan were the envy of the entire world.Today, they are a joke to the rest of the world. Many of our biggest cities have become war zones. There are dozens of homes that you can purchase in Detroit right now for literally next to nothing.For example, 14769 Liberal Street in Detroit is listed for sale on Zillow for just $100.Not that anyone would actually want to live there. Many homes in Detroit are literally being ripped to pieces by looters, vandals and thieves.Of course many Americans are just taking their cue from the government. Washington D.C. is drowning in so much corruption that it is almost hard to describe.One of the biggest offenders in Washington D.C. is the Federal Reserve. In a recent article for Rolling Stone, reporter Matt Taibbi exposed some of the folks that the Federal Reserve sent money to during the financial crisis....The Fed sent billions in bailout aid to banks in places like Mexico, Bahrain and Bavaria, billions more to a spate of Japanese car companies, more than $2 trillion in loans each to Citigroup and Morgan Stanley, and billions more to a string of lesser millionaires and billionaires with Cayman Islands addresses. "Our jaws are literally dropping as we're reading this," says Warren Gunnels, an aide to Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont. "Every one of these transactions is outrageous."Did we really need to send billions of dollars to "millionaires and billionaires" in the Cayman Islands in order to save the U.S. economy?Something really stinks, but since our politicians are too gutless to authorize a comprehensive audit of the Federal Reserve we may never know what has been going on.So who does get probed in America today?The American people do. The ridiculous airport security measures that we have to put up with have gotten completely out of control.In the name of "national security", we now allow security goons to feel up our women and children.Recently, one video of a 6-year-old girl having her private areas touched in public by the TSA went viral on YouTube. You can watch the video right here.The little girl was also apparently drug tested.How perverse is that?A 6-year-old girl has to go through all of that, but the corruption of the Federal Reserve and the big Wall Street banks is allowed to continue.Even the mainstream media is deeply corrupt. As I wrote about recently, they love to get the American people obsessed with the latest celebrity news or the latest "Twitter scandal", but they often purposely ignore some of the most important news stories that are happening because they do not fit in with the agenda that their corporate owners are trying to push.Of course one of the worst examples of corruption in America is the U.S. Congress. A new scandal involving Congress seems to erupt almost weekly, and almost everything Congress tries to do ends up being corrupt in one way or another.The sad thing is that Congress is not even working most of the time. Most Americans have no idea how much time off members of Congress get. Just check out the video posted below. This is going to shock you....As noted earlier in the article, without trust a society cannot function. That is why all of this corruption in America is such an important issue.If we do not reverse this trend, society will continue to break down. When faith in our major institutions is gone, it is going to be incredibly difficult to get back.Please pray for the United States of America. We really need it.
This is Saina's thread,let's not usurp it, I know what you are driving at.
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