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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung View Post
    The baiters need to calm down more and concentrate on badminton.
    Need to sticky this post!

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    Saina Nehwal has become POLL PANEL ICON.

    Here is the link

    "http://www.khaleejtimes.com/displayarticle.asp?xfile=data/international/2012/November/international_November917.xml&section=internationa l&col="

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    Saina Nehwal decided to play SuperSeries finals despite knee injury.

    "http://www.indianexpress.com/news/saina-nehwal-to-play-in-super-series-finals-despite-knee-trouble/1037907/"

    Nowadays, we have been watching so many players suffering from knee problems. Though they feel like they are taking care of their body very well, badminton is a game which demands more physical action than any other indoor sports. I wish saina for quick recovery though it is not that easy .

    Participating in superseries itself is a great achievement. Win or loss is secondary. I request her to take care of her knee while playing SSFinals and not aggravating it further. All the very best SAINA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    Saina Nehwal decided to play SuperSeries finals despite knee injury.

    "http://www.indianexpress.com/news/saina-nehwal-to-play-in-super-series-finals-despite-knee-trouble/1037907/"

    Nowadays, we have been watching so many players suffering from knee problems. Though they feel like they are taking care of their body very well, badminton is a game which demands more physical action than any other indoor sports. I wish saina for quick recovery though it is not that easy .

    Participating in superseries itself is a great achievement. Win or loss is secondary. I request her to take care of her knee while playing SSFinals and not aggravating it further. All the very best SAINA.
    The opponents will be focusing in net drops, since this will be the obvious weak point physically & mentally considering the knee issue. Risk of aggravating the injury will be very high.

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    Saina's best year of her career--2012

    She was recently in New Delhi for the release of her book "Playing to win" .

    "http://www.sportskeeda.com/2012/11/28/this-year-has-been-my-best-saina/"

    Excerpts:

    “I am thankful to Yuvraj for coming here and releasing my book today. This book is about my journey since I was nine, till now. It is about the life of a disciplined sportsperson, about how I got here and what all sacrifices me and my parents had to make, how I practiced eight hours a day to get where I am today,”

    "I would like to give something back to the game. The Haryana and Karnataka governments have already approached me regarding having coaching academies. I don’t think we need another one in my home state as Andhra Pradesh already has a world class academy."




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    Here's the first hand account despising the myths and suspicions circling around regarding the unfortunate Olympic bronze medal match.

    http://www.badzine.net/features/offi...to-rest/21562/

    Who am I kidding... People are bound to make talk no matter what and how it happened....

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    Clear explaination from the service referee of that bronze medal match in Olympics 2012. He was the one who had the clear view of what happened in the match. So, all the myths surrounding the player's injury, came to an end. I wish her a quick recovery as soon as possible to enjoy all her fans around the globe. My hearty wishes for Xin's quick recovery .
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    OK,some points for thought regarding the badzine article 'Official's Whistle - To mop, or not to rest?' http://www.badzine.net/features/offi...to-rest/21562/

    First off, why is it the service judge and not the umpire concerned who replied to the query?

    Second,the service judge sitting down there has a clear sight of the court,both left and right. Then why does the umpire have to sit high up there to get a clearer view of proceedings? Apparently,the viewing angle of the umpire on the high chair is certainly different from the service judge sitting down there at opposite ends of the net, for which the lighting plays an effect too. If the service judge were to be standing up, though still not as high as the umpire siting on the high chair,his viewing angle is again different.

    Third, the service judge , Michaela Bencova, wrote this :" First, you write that I ‘strictly obeyed the BWF regulations’. It is puzzling to consider how I am supposed to have done that since in that match I was the service judge. That means that my role was the control of correct services and the changing of the shuttles when the umpire allows that, perhaps also assist the umpire if necessary because we are a team on court. But this is minor information." Obviously,his role and focus are different from the umpire who is the one to decide whether the floor is to be mopped or not.

    Fourth, he presumed to speak for the umpire by saying "
    There was nothing to see on court – no sweat – neither the umpire nor the service judge saw anything there and simply trying to mop the court after losing two or more points is simply taken by all umpires as an attempt to delay the game, to try to get the opponent off their rhythm." Can he or should he speak on his behalf?

    Fifth, he said "
    On the video, you can see that Wang Xin is on the back line after a long rally so it has nothing to do with a wet middle part of court which she wanted to mop." Before servicing, Wang Xin would,of course,want to have that part of the court wiped first, that doesn't mean the other parts of the court weren't wet. If she had pointed to several parts of the court , then I wouldn't be surprised that the umpire would view that "as an attempt to delay the game, to try to get the opponent off their rhythm." and not allow it. She might have overlooked the other wet parts, esp near the back line.

    Sixth, he said "
    Even on the video, it is possible to see that Wang Xin is breathing hard and is not getting ready as fast as Saina Nehwal." That doesn't mean he should hurry the player and not allow the court to be mopped when it is wet, a discretionary decision no doubt. Not to mention a player breathing hard after a long rally is perfectly normal and natural unless he or she is unfit or unwell.

    In short, I find Michael Bencova's reply a bit too subjective, somewhat presumptuous and judgmental in addition to sounding too much like a BWF spokesman though,admittedly,it's not easy to be wholly objective as far as human decisions are concerned (do they use stopwatch to clock the time the players take between points?). I would much prefer that the umpire involved in that match to speak instead. Let's hear from him, if possible.

    Whatever,what's done is done. No use dwelling too much on it. I just hope Wang Xin can recover enough to regain her condition and form.

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    @justin L .....If one is leaned towards one-sided thinking no explanation could change their mind....

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    The most interesting thing about that article is the fact we can't use coloured shuttles
    I want to see a match with pink shuttles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    OK,some points for thought regarding the badzine article 'Official's Whistle - To mop, or not to rest?' http://www.badzine.net/features/offi...to-rest/21562/

    First off, why is it the service judge and not the umpire concerned who replied to the query?

    Second,the service judge sitting down there has a clear sight of the court,both left and right. Then why does the umpire have to sit high up there to get a clearer view of proceedings? Apparently,the viewing angle of the umpire on the high chair is certainly different from the service judge sitting down there at opposite ends of the net, for which the lighting plays an effect too. If the service judge were to be standing up, though still not as high as the umpire siting on the high chair,his viewing angle is again different.

    Third, the service judge , Michaela Bencova, wrote this :" First, you write that I ‘strictly obeyed the BWF regulations’. It is puzzling to consider how I am supposed to have done that since in that match I was the service judge. That means that my role was the control of correct services and the changing of the shuttles when the umpire allows that, perhaps also assist the umpire if necessary because we are a team on court. But this is minor information." Obviously,his role and focus are different from the umpire who is the one to decide whether the floor is to be mopped or not.

    Fourth, he presumed to speak for the umpire by saying "
    There was nothing to see on court – no sweat – neither the umpire nor the service judge saw anything there and simply trying to mop the court after losing two or more points is simply taken by all umpires as an attempt to delay the game, to try to get the opponent off their rhythm." Can he or should he speak on his behalf?

    Fifth, he said "
    On the video, you can see that Wang Xin is on the back line after a long rally so it has nothing to do with a wet middle part of court which she wanted to mop." Before servicing, Wang Xin would,of course,want to have that part of the court wiped first, that doesn't mean the other parts of the court weren't wet. If she had pointed to several parts of the court , then I wouldn't be surprised that the umpire would view that "as an attempt to delay the game, to try to get the opponent off their rhythm." and not allow it. She might have overlooked the other wet parts, esp near the back line.

    Sixth, he said "
    Even on the video, it is possible to see that Wang Xin is breathing hard and is not getting ready as fast as Saina Nehwal." That doesn't mean he should hurry the player and not allow the court to be mopped when it is wet, a discretionary decision no doubt. Not to mention a player breathing hard after a long rally is perfectly normal and natural unless he or she is unfit or unwell.

    In short, I find Michael Bencova's reply a bit too subjective, somewhat presumptuous and judgmental in addition to sounding too much like a BWF spokesman though,admittedly,it's not easy to be wholly objective as far as human decisions are concerned (do they use stopwatch to clock the time the players take between points?). I would much prefer that the umpire involved in that match to speak instead. Let's hear from him, if possible.

    Whatever,what's done is done. No use dwelling too much on it. I just hope Wang Xin can recover enough to regain her condition and form.
    Michaela Bencova is a Badzine columnist. She was adressed this question by a reader, so she answered it. The person asking the question thought she was the umpire in this match. She explains that she was actually service judge, but answers the question from an umpire perspective. Whats the deal?

    I see no controversy... Obviously WX injury had nothing to do with sweat on the court since SHE NEVER SLIPPED OR FELL... Her injury got aggravated when landing on her knee in the back court after hitting a clear. So what does mopping of the court or not have to do with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vixter View Post
    Michaela Bencova is a Badzine columnist. She was adressed this question by a reader, so she answered it. The person asking the question thought she was the umpire in this match. She explains that she was actually service judge, but answers the question from an umpire perspective. Whats the deal?

    I see no controversy... Obviously WX injury had nothing to do with sweat on the court since SHE NEVER SLIPPED OR FELL... Her injury got aggravated when landing on her knee in the back court after hitting a clear. So what does mopping of the court or not have to do with it?
    You are right on both accounts. Michaela answered because the reader asked her.

    It has nothing to do with slippery floor. I watch the video again here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HucIqi8Lw3E at 26.07. She landed on her right leg and was still standing. The injury was the left knee. You can see that she wasn't comfortable a few points before the incident.

    Some people are leaned towards one-sided thinking that no explanation could change their mind too.

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    You guys are correct. If he/she is a service judge and answered the query after analysing the match carefully lively as well as from video, how come so many irrelevant queries arises..


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    Quote Originally Posted by vixter View Post
    Michaela Bencova is a Badzine columnist. She was adressed this question by a reader, so she answered it. The person asking the question thought she was the umpire in this match. She explains that she was actually service judge, but answers the question from an umpire perspective. Whats the deal?

    I see no controversy... Obviously WX injury had nothing to do with sweat on the court since SHE NEVER SLIPPED OR FELL... Her injury got aggravated when landing on her knee in the back court after hitting a clear. So what does mopping of the court or not have to do with it?
    I should have realised by the name 'Michaela' that the service judge is a lady but I wasn't sure until I watched the video again - anyway, no issue.

    So we're agreed she is not the authority from BWF to say the last word on the matter but merely expressing her own views as a Badzine columnist? And anybody,including you and me, can answer from the umpire's perspective but not speak on his behalf unless told to do so; no problem with that, I believe.

    Coming back to your view, how do you tell 'SHE NEVER SLIPPED', from watching it on TV? A slip doesn't necessarily always lead to a fall, we often slip and quickly regain our balance. It can be so imperceptible and yet hurtful esp when she was lifting off with her left leg, so the impact and twist could have caused the damage.

    Let's hear from Wang Xin herself.http://sports.qq.com/a/20121107/000480.htm I'll just translate as best I could the relevant parts:
    铜牌战面对印度劲敌 内瓦尔,汪鑫首局一路领先。在比赛过程中,她数次向裁判表示场地上有汗水,希望能擦一下,但裁判不予理睬。20比 18,汪鑫跳起落地后被汗水滑倒,扭伤了左膝。经过紧急处理后,她重新上场。带着受伤的腿,她高高跃起扣杀得分,拿下了首局。第二局,汪鑫在完成第一球后 ,再也无法坚持,向裁判员示意退赛。离场之际,内维尔走到跟前,两人轻轻拥抱的场景让全场观众动容。但这样的温情丝毫不能缓解汪鑫身上的疼痛,也不能去除心里的委屈。“我不知道裁判当时是什么心理,我大概提出三次擦地请求他都没有同意,他甚至都不允许我自己去蹭一下。现在 的规则确实也比较严格,如果不服从他的安排,他就会掏牌,没有办法的时候就只能继续比赛。”

    [In the Bronze medal match facing Saina Nehwal,in the opening set Wang Xin was leading most of the way.During the game,she indicated to the umpire several times there was sweat on the floor and hoped to have it mopped but the umpire ignored her requests. At 20-18, Wang Xin slipped on the sweat as she lifted off, spraining her left knee....

    Before leaving the court, Saina walked towards her, the two lightly embraced, it was a scene that moved everyone present...."I don't know what the umpire was thinking then,I requested about three times to mop the floor but he refused, he even didn't allow me to wipe it myself. The rules nowadays are indeed very strict, if you don't obey him,he will show the(yellow) card, there's nothing you can do about it but to carry on the competition." (End of translation).

    Btw, how do you tell whether there is sweat(the colour?) on the floor a few metres away on site? And what's the big deal to have it mopped at 18-12 when she made the request when the last time it was mopped was during the mid-game interval?

    I sense that some of you are reading too much into my post. I'm sure we can discuss it disinterestedly. Shouldn't it be in Wang Xin's thread in the first place? Never mind, I prefer to end it here.

    What's of major concern to me now is whether Wang Xin is able to resume competitive badminton, not to say if she can be back to her best which she herself is aware is doubtful.

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    I just saw the 20-18 point again a few times and also the slow motion. There is definitely not a hint of a slip there.

    I think everyone can make their own conclusion about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Justin L View Post
    And what's the big deal to have it mopped at 18-12 when she made the request when the last time it was mopped was during the mid-game interval?
    The court of WX had just been mopped at scoreline 16-20.

    So WX (or maybe just the media/journalists?) seems to blame her injury on the condition of the court and the denied mopping request. But one must admit its pretty obvious she had a lingering injury coming out either way.
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    I don't think she had a lingering injury because she moved around quite effectively for the most of G1, I think the point where she slipped was on 20-15, where she was lunging to her right to retrieve SN's drop. At about 24:55 in the bronze match video, you can tell that her left leg slipped while pushing off, and it's probably the pushing off on her left leg at 20-17 that aggravated the injury. However, from the video it can't be seen whether she's asked the umpire to have the floor wiped before 20-15, maybe someone who was there can comment on that?

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