Glen Waverley Sat. 7:30-10:00pm Titan Badminton Club

**keenweisam** · 06-30-2009, 10:48 AM

I understand that players who enter in competitions usually have ranking points which highlights to the competition organizers the level at which they should be playing. Organizing events is a difficult task to say the least but player attitudes play a part when there are inequalities in draws. I think that it is important to encourage the juniors - what do we achieve for badminton in Australia when we beat the little kiddies in c or d grade? Demoralize them and make them feel victim to beurocracy? We should be setting examples for them to strive to achieve... You don't see members of the national squad coming to a or b grade to get trophies or "teach us a lesson" or prevent us from getting trophies... Anyway just my rant... And voicing my frustrations I guess. They really should accept me for the Vic squad or maybe I really need to work harder...
Vien and others might continue to trophy hunt and it is hard to stop that. I can't change what they do, only what I do... And I'm only going to push harder and harder to get further with badminton. Ok now I'm rambling... Would like to hear your opinions.
- Greg

**ashley** · 06-30-2009, 11:54 AM

The ranking points only apply to open grade players to enter enough tournaments. I know that last year some organisers were able to access past performance records and were able to grade some players. Didn't see that this year.

Even when we organise our interclub matches there is a lot of organisation behind the seams but it is easier for us because we know all the levels of the players participating. I guess if the tournament organisers really wish to determine the level of a player they could ask the club organisers where that player plays regularly.

Don't forget the juniors have their own competitions and after a few years you do see them improve. Some are now playing open grade, where only 2 years back we could easily beat them. Badminton Victoria has done quite a bit to get younger players involved in the last couple of years. It will be interesting to see the outcome when those kids get older.

I remember going through the training stage where you want to push yourself to improve. Nowadays I cannot play 4 days a week due to family commitments. So everyone is different and our goals are different. Greg, all the best to you in your pursuit of improvement. BTW I have noticed your upwards improvement over the last couple of months.

**keenweisam** · 06-30-2009, 07:22 PM

Yes the juniors have their own comps eg june bevan etc. I think bv and ba have done a good job with the juniors.
Thanks ash let's hope the squad selectors feel the same lol

**vienb** · 06-30-2009, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by ashley

I think after the postings here, Vien will be blacklisted by all tournament organisers this year. B grade and above only for you Vien.

Don't worry Vien next season everyone will have forgotten and you can slide back down to D grade. Come to think of it I suggest we save these couple of messages and send an email to all the tournament organisers at the start of next year's tournaments to remind them of Trophy Hunter Vien.

Yeap, officially blacklisted from all but ballarat graded tournament

Loke Poh was threatening A grade and above restriction, not because he thinks i'm really strong, but because he wanted to punish me and deprive me of any trophy chances in future

... He's one guy thats wont forget by next season, my only chance is to form an opposition to his Badminton Victoria Presidentship .. and organise a bloody and violent coup ... badminton rackets will shatter, strings will snap but we will be victorious .. raise your racket if your with me

..and correction for all the ladies and shemale's out there typing senselessly about how disgraceful and offensive to their ancestors and gods ... that i trophy hunting in D grade ............ I have not trophy hunted in D grade, the only time i've played D grade was last saturday at the Victorian Graded, and thats because i was teaming up with Shy and we really got beaten in our first game so was force to D grade by a very strong double pair

**BadFever** · 06-30-2009, 07:54 PM

Ashley, is there badminton this Saturday?

**vienb** · 06-30-2009, 08:14 PM

Ash and Greg ... keep it short or make it entertaining

People a falling asleep reading your threads

It seems like you guys poured out your feelings and posted a touching heart felt message .. so i will not make light of it by calling you both .. Big Girls Blouse .. even though i really, really want to .. but i shall not

To answer your question, query, concern, grumpy old men nonsensical rambling

1) Yes Juniors do have their own tournament, and so do geriatrics .. something for you to consider Ash .. Although most juniors are entering in B and A then C and D .. as was seen at the Vic Graded last weekend
2) Nearly all badminton association in victoria uses the online tournament software to setup game fixtures and maintain records .. and as a registered badminton victoria player, my record are on there for the world to see

3) I am not a trophy hunter, but rather a trophy enthusiast

4) To all other questions and/or concern .. i answer in the traditional American defiant way ...

NUTS!!!

**Frank79** · 06-30-2009, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by vienb

Why am i being attacked

... i didnt get a D grade trophy

... The key is to ask them when they're unaware like what i did to Jerry at that MSAC carpark boongate

hi vienb, i did not mean to target you.

my post was intended to be for all badminton competitors out there! i know that most people only read and don't contribute to forums. i hope the readers of this forum will be able to understand that trophy hunting is not something to be proud of. i also hope that players will compete in a fair manner in future tournaments and not intentionally lose to get into a lower grade (as displayed in recent tournament - bad sportsmanship

). the problem is, most offenders are normally aware of their efforts and this is not good for the sport.

*sigh*

**ShyYen** · 07-01-2009, 04:04 AM

A lot of the blame also lay with the organisers of the events, because at the end of the day, if people can get away with it, they will, thats life. The layout of the event encourage people taking the dive to get into lower grade, why not a pool of group making it harder for people to organise fake results. Plus the organisers dont watch the matches themselves so how do they recognise who are trophy hunters/bad sportsmen unless they have people like Vien posting picture of trophies. Vien Won C grade singles fairly by beating quality opposition (Won the final 30-29) whom they themselves were questionable in that grade (Semi-final opponent had Won C Grade plenty of times).

Basically the badminton community is not that big, but people keep letting people whom won entering same grades countless of times making a bottleneck of D graders whom have to improve to the point of B/C grader to win the event. Shaming the people will be little help, only when the organisers take interest in the people in the lower grades and recognise who are not in their particular grades will things be fairer. Competition aint cheap anymore, least the organisers can do is check all the history of players competition history instead of just believing in what people think their grades are.

**vienb** · 07-01-2009, 05:41 AM

Look whos whinging .. Ash, greg, shy and frank ... all newbies to tournament badminton

**ashley** · 07-01-2009, 06:22 AM

Who's a newbie ?

I was playing comps before you upgraded from wooden rackets. I just choose not to play any comps these days. The last real tournament I played in was 2007. The Ballarat comp doesn't really count as I go with you guys as a social event.

I only bag you because it is fun to do so, not to whinge.

Originally Posted by vienb

Look whos whinging .. Ash, greg, shy and frank ... all newbies to tournament badminton

**ashley** · 07-01-2009, 06:23 AM

I am checking at the moment. Do you know if Thursday is still on ?

Originally Posted by BadFever

Ashley, is there badminton this Saturday?

**vienb** · 07-01-2009, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by vienb

Look whos whinging .. Ash, greg, shy and frank ... all newbies to tournament badminton

opps .. the rest of that message i typed didnt get posted

... got pre-occupy with dinner must have clicked the wrong button

Anyway ...

Let me enlighten those "whingers"

There have always been strong player/team in every tournament that i can remember... but these strong players/team will always move on either willingly or force to by the organisers eg. Me

If your not winning tournaments .. heres a tip .. improve your game or get a strong double partner

**vienb** · 07-01-2009, 06:47 AM

Originally Posted by ashley

Who's a newbie ?

I was playing comps before you upgraded from wooden rackets. I just choose not to play any comps these days. The last real tournament I played in was 2007. The Ballarat comp doesn't really count as I go with you guys as a social event.

I only bag you because it is fun to do so, not to whinge.

Wait a minute you and shy have been playing badminton longer then i have and shy has had way way more coaching then i have ( me ,3 session in total and Shy 3 or 4 different coaches and counting

) .. so why are you guys still playing D and C and I'm force up to A ... sounds like 2 trophy hunters trying to deflect attention to innocent me

**ashley** · 07-01-2009, 07:21 AM

I don't play D or C grade. I only played C grade in Ballarat because of my partner (who was a beginner). Apart from playing C grade mixed doubles in Ballarat I have only ever played A and B grade.

You attract attention to yourself Vien, because you go out of your way to play the lower grades.

Originally Posted by vienb

Wait a minute you and shy have been playing badminton longer then i have and shy has had way way more coaching then i have ( me ,3 session in total and Shy 3 or 4 different coaches and counting

) .. so why are you guys still playing D and C and I'm force up to A ... sounds like 2 trophy hunters trying to deflect attention to innocent me

**keenweisam** · 07-01-2009, 09:53 AM

Ok I'm going to remove myself from this conversation.
signing off.
=-Greg

**BadFever** · 07-01-2009, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by ashley

I am checking at the moment. Do you know if Thursday is still on ?

Uncle's group is not playing today and also next Thurs.

**vienb** · 07-01-2009, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by ashley

I don't play D or C grade. I only played C grade in Ballarat because of my partner (who was a beginner). Apart from playing C grade mixed doubles in Ballarat I have only ever played A and B grade.

You attract attention to yourself Vien, because you go out of your way to play the lower grades.

I thought we had already agree that ballarat was 1 or 2 grades lower .. so C in ballrat is in reality an E or D

I do not go out of my way for anything .. how dare you imply i put effort into anything