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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball
    So I guess he is a Permanent Resident (Green Card Holder) not truly citizen yet.
    yes .........

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad
    yup, there were no flags nor anthems being raised during the tournament..I believe they only do that in Olympics and World Championship, maybe other events such as SEA Games..
    Yah, hopefully they can play together more..
    don't be surprised that tony/chandra will join indonesia team next year,
    sutiyoso will use 'any mean' to pursuade tony gunawan for joining indonesia team again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball
    What was the reason for going to the USA in the first place ? Indonesia must surely provide him with lots of oportunities, doesn't it ? And he is a respected hero, even if he retires, he can be a coach in Indonesia or anywhere if he chooses. Rudy Hartono is a rich man because he stayed put (and so are many other Indonesian players). A man of Gunawan's stature would do extremely well in Indonesia --- don't tell me he married a US woman ?
    He didn't marry an American woman; his wife Etti was also a national badminton player in Indonesia (though not as accomplished as Tony). She probably was the determining factor on the move to the US. She already had a brother in the US. She works now in the financial investment industry (for Merril Lynch, I think).

    Other possible reasons:
    1) Tony had a conflict with PBSI honchos. When I talked to Sonny Dwi Kuncoro during the WC in Anaheim, he was sure that this was the biggest reason.

    2) Tony's official reason was to study computers and to "improve and expand" badminton in the USA.

    3) There is also the "Indonesian of Chinese descent" problem. Many ethnic Chinese in Indonesia are still haunted by the riots in 97-98 during which many houses/businesses owned by Chinese-Indonesians were looted and burned, and many girls were raped. This is partly why you now see so many Indonesian badminton players of Chinese descent playing for Hongkong, Singapore, Taipei, Holland, etc.

    4) Except for Taufik, I don't think Indonesian badminton players are well-rewarded there. Plus, PBSI is notorious for heavy-handed treatment of their players. Being in national training center is probably more like being in the army. You have no freedom to guide your own future.

    5) As far as Rudy Hartono being a rich man... the fact that he married the daughter of very rich businessman (Indomilk owner, I think) surely helped! This is the route that Taufik had taken. Marry the daughter of a rich, powerful official (Agum Gumelar) and you're set! :-)


    Anyway, these are my 2-cents worth on why Tony migrated to the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball
    What was the reason for going to the USA in the first place ? Indonesia must surely provide him with lots of oportunities, doesn't it ? And he is a respected hero, even if he retires, he can be a coach in Indonesia or anywhere if he chooses. Rudy Hartono is a rich man because he stayed put (and so are many other Indonesian players). A man of Gunawan's stature would do extremely well in Indonesia --- don't tell me he married a US woman ?
    Quote Originally Posted by rudytjip
    He didn't marry an American woman; his wife Etti was also a national badminton player in Indonesia (though not as accomplished as Tony). She probably was the determining factor on the move to the US. She already had a brother in the US. She works now in the financial investment industry (for Merril Lynch, I think).

    Other possible reasons:
    1) Tony had a conflict with PBSI honchos. When I talked to Sonny Dwi Kuncoro during the WC in Anaheim, he was sure that this was the biggest reason.

    2) Tony's official reason was to study computers and to "improve and expand" badminton in the USA.

    3) There is also the "Indonesian of Chinese descent" problem. Many ethnic Chinese in Indonesia are still haunted by the riots in 97-98 during which many houses/businesses owned by Chinese-Indonesians were looted and burned, and many girls were raped. This is partly why you now see so many Indonesian badminton players of Chinese descent playing for Hongkong, Singapore, Taipei, Holland, etc.

    4) Except for Taufik, I don't think Indonesian badminton players are well-rewarded there. Plus, PBSI is notorious for heavy-handed treatment of their players. Being in national training center is probably more like being in the army. You have no freedom to guide your own future.

    5) As far as Rudy Hartono being a rich man... the fact that he married the daughter of very rich businessman (Indomilk owner, I think) surely helped! This is the route that Taufik had taken. Marry the daughter of a rich, powerful official (Agum Gumelar) and you're set! :-)


    Anyway, these are my 2-cents worth on why Tony migrated to the US
    X Ball,
    sorry, didn't have a chance to reply to this one sooner...but noticed a couple others have replied, which i'm glad also...
    Anyways, what sabathiel and rudytjip posted are true & the most common/most known reasons.
    Esp. about Tony's "reason" to move to U.S. is the most common/heard reason of him moving to the U.S. Although what taufik-ist wrote also has been heard before. Actually there are other posts in this forum which mentioned abt this issue, hmm, i have to find them and give you the links.

    Now regarding your inquiry which i've put in bold, he did the latter didn't he??..Why Tony didn't want to stay in Indo and use his "stature" like Rudy Hartono and coach etc2, well, his and Rudy's case are different. To add to what rudytjip mentioned(reason #4 & #5), if Tony would have stayed and used his stature to become coach, i don't think he will be as well respected and well-paid. Just take a look at their current coaches who used to play for the national team (ie. Christian Hadinata, Joko Supriyanto and others), see how they are being treated. Or even take a look at Rexy Mainaky, eventhough he was a hero in his days, but he decided to coach overseas. So, in a way, becoming a coach as a career there at PBSI is not "worth it". I'm sure you know this also, unless one has the "power" or a lot of "connection" with the "well-known" people in Indonesia, you can forget abt becoming a well-know or respected individual..
    Thus that's why he decided to do the latter and move/"follow" his wife to the U.S. whilst he had a chance..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad
    X Ball,
    sorry, didn't have a chance to reply to this one sooner...but noticed a couple others have replied, which i'm glad also...
    Anyways, what sabathiel and rudytjip posted are true & the most common/most known reasons.
    Yes, thanks guys for the answers to my questions on Gunawan. The 'mud' has cleared.

    Economically, I agree that is the right move. But watching the IO, I get this feeling that a lot of Indonesians like him to stay -- he has the people POWER so to speak.

    Well, whichever path he takes, he is a winner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudytjip
    He didn't marry an American woman; his wife Etti was also a national badminton player in Indonesia (though not as accomplished as Tony). She probably was the determining factor on the move to the US. She already had a brother in the US. She works now in the financial investment industry (for Merril Lynch, I think).

    Other possible reasons:
    1) Tony had a conflict with PBSI honchos. When I talked to Sonny Dwi Kuncoro during the WC in Anaheim, he was sure that this was the biggest reason.

    2) Tony's official reason was to study computers and to "improve and expand" badminton in the USA.

    3) There is also the "Indonesian of Chinese descent" problem. Many ethnic Chinese in Indonesia are still haunted by the riots in 97-98 during which many houses/businesses owned by Chinese-Indonesians were looted and burned, and many girls were raped. This is partly why you now see so many Indonesian badminton players of Chinese descent playing for Hongkong, Singapore, Taipei, Holland, etc.

    4) Except for Taufik, I don't think Indonesian badminton players are well-rewarded there. Plus, PBSI is notorious for heavy-handed treatment of their players. Being in national training center is probably more like being in the army. You have no freedom to guide your own future.

    5) As far as Rudy Hartono being a rich man... the fact that he married the daughter of very rich businessman (Indomilk owner, I think) surely helped! This is the route that Taufik had taken. Marry the daughter of a rich, powerful official (Agum Gumelar) and you're set! :-)


    Anyway, these are my 2-cents worth on why Tony migrated to the US
    you had summed up well

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    IBF rules are pretty flexible, you don't need to be a citizen of a country to play for that country. Remember at one stage Taufik Hidayat threatened PBSI that he would play for Singapore if his demands are not met. As far as I know Tony didn't migrate to the US and is on a student visa. I doubt that he got a green card either since it takes many years to get one and is very hard. There must be some arrangement between IBF, PBSI and the US Badminton Association to allow Tony to play for the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sabathiel
    IBF rules are pretty flexible, you don't need to be a citizen of a country to play for that country. Remember at one stage Taufik Hidayat threatened PBSI that he would play for Singapore if his demands are not met. As far as I know Tony didn't migrate to the US and is on a student visa. I doubt that he got a green card either since it takes many years to get one and is very hard. There must be some arrangement between IBF, PBSI and the US Badminton Association to allow Tony to play for the USA.
    I hope they pay him well to play for USA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball
    I hope they pay him well to play for USA.
    Don't worry, I'm sure the USA has plenty of money to throw around to promote badminton and pay Tony Gunawan.

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