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    Default greatest badminton rivalry of all time

    let us dis-regard the pre 1970s era bcos badminton community was small den.
    and just focus on men singles n doubles. this is where the best badminton is played (no offense to the ladies and the mixed)

    criteria must be
    a) both competitors must be recognized as more than one class higher than de rest of the field.
    b) matches are exciting, unpredictable, hard fought n memorable.
    c) contrasting styles of play is desired, but same oso is OK.
    d) must be retired and no more competitive play.


    MENS SINGLES
    - Yang Yang vs Morten Frost

    MENS DOUBLES
    - Park JB/Kim MS vs Li YB/Tian Bingyi
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    Interesting question.

    Men's Single:
    - Paul Hoyer Eric Loursen vs Don Jiong
    (One of them staged the most amazing comeback. Cant remember which one. Too old. One was trailing 14-3 but managed to chase and win the game at 17-14)

    Men's Double
    - Rexy/Ricky vs Cheah Soon Kit/Beng Kiang
    (Not really sure about the exact name of Cheah Soon Kit's partner)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thiery
    Interesting question.

    Men's Single:
    - Paul Hoyer Eric Loursen vs Don Jiong
    (One of them staged the most amazing comeback. Cant remember which one. Too old. One was trailing 14-3 but managed to chase and win the game at 17-14)

    Men's Double
    - Rexy/Ricky vs Cheah Soon Kit/Beng Kiang
    (Not really sure about the exact name of Cheah Soon Kit's partner)
    let's not confuse this topic wt 'great' matches. this is more of a constant rivalry.

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    Men's Single:
    - Paul Hoyer Eric Loursen vs Don Jiong
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    i guess
    Rexy/Ricky vs Cheah Soon Kit/Beng Kiang match is the best 90's match ever,

    the mas pair had 2 match points ( 2nd and 3rd sets) but they couldn't finish it and lost badly to ricky/rexy

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    Wong Choon Hann - Xia Xuan Ze...

    around 02-04, i guess they were considered rivals...

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    I see no need to disregard the ladies.

    Ricky Subagja/Rexy Maineky and Cheah Soon Kit/Yap Kim Hock, Park Joo Bong/Kim Moon Soo and Li Yongbo/Tian Bingyi

    Kim Dong Moon/Ra Kyeung Min and Zhang Jun/Gao Ling (Nowdays it looks to be Robertson and Emms who are Zhang and Gao's rivals)

    Zhang Ning and Mia Audina, Camilla Martin and the chinese ladies squad in general

    Peter Gade and Lin Dan, Taufik Hidayat and Lin Dan

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    I think firstly you must define what a "great" rivalry is.

    Lets say Two opponents who are 1)at the very top level of their discipline, and 2)are very evenly matched.

    Xia/Wong would fail on point 2)

    Jonassen/Boonsak (always have great games) fail on point 1) (as would probably many rivalries throughout the game.


    I would say that currently there are no "great" rivalries. Lin Vs LCW may develop into one. Taufik/Lin is a non starter, since In all Important clashes Taufik has won. Zhang Ning Vs Mia is too one sided in Zhangs favour. On the whole though, modern confrontations are the usuals Whoisitc country vs Country affairs, not individuals as present.

    Previousley we have had Kim Dong Moon Vs Tony Gunawan Kim/Ra vs Zhang/Gao was a good one. Yang Yang Vs Zhao was also good. Gong Zi Chao Vs Susi? Choong/Lee Vs Eriksen/Luundgaard.

    Anyone else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestDemon
    let us dis-regard the pre 1970s era bcos badminton community was small den.
    and just focus on men singles n doubles. this is where the best badminton is played (no offense to the ladies and the mixed)

    criteria must be
    a) both competitors must be recognized as more than one class higher than de rest of the field.
    b) matches are exciting, unpredictable, hard fought n memorable.
    c) contrasting styles of play is desired, but same oso is OK.
    d) must be retired and no more competitive play.


    MENS SINGLES
    - Yang Yang vs Morten Frost

    MENS DOUBLES
    - Park JB/Kim MS vs Li YB/Tian Bingyi
    too bad u ignored the ladies catergory.
    the term 'cat fight' came from them

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    I don't really know anythign about ancient badmiton (sorry couldn't resist) ehm I mean earlier badminton....

    but nowadayw it really isn't a 1vs1 rivalry...LD,PG and TH are all close to ecah other, with LCW, BCL, Chen Jin, LHI (? the korean bloke?) about to join the ranks...I'd say, especially under the new scoring, the entire top 15 is close/very close....

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    how about sun jun vs peter rasmussen?

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    again to be precise, we should differentiate between:

    1) a good rivalry
    2) one single closely fought match.

    Sun Jun vs. P. Rasmussen, as well as PEHL vs. Dong Jiong will fall into the 2nd category.

    a rivalry is a series of closely fought matches over a significant period of time. more interesting if they are closely watched by fans which adds to the excitement and significance.

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    Men Single:

    Han Jian - Liem Swie King
    Sun Jun - Peter Gade


    Woman Single:

    Susi Susanti - Bang Soo Hyun - Ye Zhaoying
    Li Ling Wei - Han Aiping
    Camilla Martin - Chinese Great Wall

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    I think Peter Gade and Lin Dan fall under the criteria of many closely contested matches over a fairly long period of time. Taufik and Lin Dan have said things about eachother in the press. ie, taufik saying lin dan had better watch out in Madrid, etc and so on. pre game chatter:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WestDemon
    let us dis-regard the pre 1970s era bcos badminton community was small den.
    and just focus on men singles n doubles. this is where the best badminton is played (no offense to the ladies and the mixed)
    criteria must be
    a) both competitors must be recognized as more than one class higher than de rest of the field.
    b) matches are exciting, unpredictable, hard fought n memorable.
    c) contrasting styles of play is desired, but same oso is OK.
    d) must be retired and no more competitive play.

    MENS SINGLES
    - Yang Yang vs Morten Frost
    MENS DOUBLES
    - Park JB/Kim MS vs Li YB/Tian Bingyi
    what about the triangle :
    MS : Yang Yang - Icuk Sugiarto - Morten Frost Hansen
    WS : Bang SY - Ye ZY - Susi Susanti
    MD : Park JB/Kim MS - Li YB/Tian BY - Eddy Hartono/Gunawan

    Icuk always lost to Yang Yang,
    Yang Yang always lost to Morten
    Morten always lost to Icuk
    No maths at all.
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    how come I forget : Zhang Ning - Mia Audina ........
    probably the longest ever one since May 1994 till nowadays 2006, 12 years over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maa2003
    how come I forget : Zhang Ning - Mia Audina ........
    probably the longest ever one since May 1994 till nowadays 2006, 12 years over.
    hardly the "greatest" though.

    Zhang Ning hasn't been at the top of her class for many years, shadowed by Susi, Ye Zhaoying, Gong Zhichao, and then Gong Ruina. she somehow woken up in 2002 and end up in the top.

    Mia similarly, never managed to get pass the above listed players. and then only start to rise after she settled in The Netherlands.

    a good rivalry might be the trio of Susi / Ye and Gong, actually. Susi seems to be able to beat Ye more, Ye beats Gong more, and Gong beats Susi more. how interesting is that??

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