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    Default Two different Yonex Charts

    I saw two different versions of Yonex racquet charts and they seemed not consistent to each other. Any ideas?

    This one is currently on Yonex website

    http://www.yonex.co.jp/badminton/feature/mp/style.html

    This one is older

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...tid=8579&stc=1

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    one uses the cab20 as the middle ground racket, while the other uses a diff one i believe, cab 20 F. just a possibiltiy

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    difference lies inw ich 'factors' they rate. in the first it's 'attacking/defensive' and 'solid/soft feeling' (I think)
    and the second is 'power/control' and 'singles/doubles' on the axis.

    so by chart two old the mp100 is a powerfull singles racket without much control. (highly subjective)
    chart two states: powerfull/attacking racket with a solid feeling. less subjective.

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    The factors and the scales are different. That's why.

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    That's because they are really two DIFFERENT charts, boy.

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    Default hmmm...

    So according to the Yonex Charts NS8000 is more "powerful" than AT700 and MP100 but less "Attacking" ?!?!?

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    would be good if someone could translate the axes for us

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    Scale? If it is really the factor, why do AT800DE, AT800OF, NS7000 and MP90 move far away from their origanal locations?

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    I think jerby might have accidentally reversed the descriptions of the two charts. It's the 2nd chart (vertical scale) that is offense vs. defense oriented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestyung
    Scale? If it is really the factor, why do AT800DE, AT800OF, NS7000 and MP90 move far away from their origanal locations?
    Because two graphs have different sample sets (rackets), and that would change the scale by ratio in theory.

    Also, the factors on the graph are for "users-orientation." I don't think Yonex means the rackets exclusively.

    For example, if you like to smash, then you might want to get something like MP100, NS9000...etc as those are designed to aid those type of players. The graph doesn't necessary mean NS9000 or etc have absolutely more firepower over others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluejeff
    For example, if you like to smash, then you might want to get something like MP100, NS9000...etc as those are designed to aid those type of players. The graph doesn't necessary mean NS9000 or etc have absolutely more firepower over others.
    But if NS8000 has more power (according to graph 2 than MP100 or AT700.. I find it very strange strange why AT700 and MP100 would be ratedd to be more suited/designed for offensive/smash play (graph 1)...

    To be honest I think these types of graphs are pretty useless and seems very "subjective" to me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by twobeer
    But if NS8000 has more power (according to graph 2 than MP100 or AT700.. I find it very strange strange why AT700 and MP100 would be ratedd to be more suited/designed for offensive/smash play (graph 1)...

    To be honest I think these types of graphs are pretty useless and seems very "subjective" to me..
    subjective to marketing you mean , and less-frequent updating.

    "when addign the ns8k two things could've happened: "meh, just put it on top" or "how are we going to promote a new series when we clearly state it's not as 'powerfull' as the previous ones?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluejeff
    Because two graphs have different sample sets (rackets), and that would change the scale by ratio in theory.

    Also, the factors on the graph are for "users-orientation." I don't think Yonex means the rackets exclusively.

    For example, if you like to smash, then you might want to get something like MP100, NS9000...etc as those are designed to aid those type of players. The graph doesn't necessary mean NS9000 or etc have absolutely more firepower over others.
    But refer to Cab 20, it is still in the middle, even the sample set is different with a different scale, would a racket from more flex become more stiff than Cab 20, defensive oriented become to offensive oriented when compare with Cab 20?? I can understand the movement within one side, but I cannot understand why a racket is moved to another side of axis..... if the axis are constant.

    Is there any Japanese speaker can help??

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    Quote Originally Posted by forrestyung
    But refer to Cab 20, it is still in the middle, even the sample set is different with a different scale, would a racket from more flex become more stiff than Cab 20, defensive oriented become to offensive oriented when compare with Cab 20?? I can understand the movement within one side, but I cannot understand why a racket is moved to another side of axis..... if the axis are constant.

    Is there any Japanese speaker can help??
    There is no moving, they are two differenet charts, that's all.. In the first chart the vertical axe is about power/control, and in the second chart it's offensive/defensive. You can't compare two different charts. And nonetheless NS 8000 can be less powerful than AT700 but more offensive than AT700. Who told you powerful and offensive are the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chungg
    There is no moving, they are two differenet charts, that's all.. In the first chart the vertical axe is about power/control, and in the second chart it's offensive/defensive. You can't compare two different charts. And nonetheless NS 8000 can be less powerful than AT700 but more offensive than AT700. Who told you powerful and offensive are the same thing?
    Thanks for the explaination!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chungg
    There is no moving, they are two differenet charts, that's all.. In the first chart the vertical axe is about power/control, and in the second chart it's offensive/defensive. You can't compare two different charts. And nonetheless NS 8000 can be less powerful than AT700 but more offensive than AT700. Who told you powerful and offensive are the same thing?
    To me, Yonex (and others) marketing speak has not really made any clear distinction between "power"-rating and "offensiveness"-rating..

    If the characteristics of a potentially more powerful racket (long, head-heavy, stiff) isn't more "offensive".. Then please let us know your (or Yonex) definition of an "offensive" racket (and also what characteristics you think a defensive racket has)..

    I am very pussled how a racket could be more offensive but less powerful, or vice versa, Designed for the control/defensive-player but more powerful, than an "attack"-model???

    /T
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    well, it's not the vertical axis that changed....only a bit 'updated' (as in: yonex realsied the ns8k misplacement)

    the horizontal axis chaged from "doubles-singles" to "soft feeling-solid feeling"

    mathematically: the new chart shows a line that basically resembles the formula Y=X. roughly...wich basically means a rackets are generally just as powerfull as they are 'solid' on impact.

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