So who wants to see Taufik not playing?

**Baderz_Jas** · 08-31-2006, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by phaarix

Well while most people seem to only care about whether or not they get to see a great match, I admire Taufik for not letting the crowd, or anyone else influence his decision. If he is not happy with the line calling, then he doesn't have to play. He's not playing his matches for our enjoyment, he's doing it for himself, as would pretty much anyone.

I still would like to have seen the match played to completion though

. I'm not for or against what Taufik did, it's his decision.

Well said phaarix!!!

**hcyong** · 08-31-2006, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by phaarix

Well while most people seem to only care about whether or not they get to see a great match, I admire Taufik for not letting the crowd, or anyone else influence his decision. If he is not happy with the line calling, then he doesn't have to play. He's not playing his matches for our enjoyment, he's doing it for himself, as would pretty much anyone.

I still would like to have seen the match played to completion though

. I'm not for or against what Taufik did, it's his decision.

I admire the linejudge for remaining cool (at least outwardly, from what is apparent in the photo) even when Taufik was making rude gestures.

I admire the linejudge for admitting her wrongful first decision and steadfastingly sticking to what she thinks is the right decision. (Further to what Cheung has on good judgement, if she really was partial, why bother signalling "out" in the first place.)

Everyone's playing for himself, sure, but if everyone walks off if he doesn't like a decision, what a farce it will all become.

If it is his decision to whack the linejudge with his racquet, will you then be for or against him? Or will you continue with the "it's his decision" line of reasoning?

**Jessica** · 08-31-2006, 05:45 AM

Is the linejudge really make the mistake or what???Anyone in the stadium can tell us..Still very blurred...Is like a dream to me...All happened in a moment..

**phaarix** · 08-31-2006, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by hcyong

I admire the linejudge for remaining cool (at least outwardly, from what is apparent in the photo) even when Taufik was making rude gestures.

I admire the linejudge for admitting her wrongful first decision and steadfastingly sticking to what she thinks is the right decision. (Further to what Cheung has on good judgement, if she really was partial, why bother signalling "in" in the first place.)

I'm not saying the linejudge was wrong either. I'm not getting at anyone here. My point has nothing to do with whether it was in or not. It's what Taufik thinks that justifies his reactions. As far as the "rude gestures" go, that's just human nature. He's obviously under a lot of pressure playing top level tournaments like this, and anyone can lose their cool if they feel they're being treated unfairly.

Once again, I'm not getting at anyone, I'm not saying it was in or out. I'm merely saying that Taufik is just human, and to stop over-dramatising such minor things as a "V signal". He made his decision based on what he thought was right. Get over it >_>.

Originally Posted by hcyong

Everyone's playing for himself, sure, but if everyone walks off if he doesn't like a decision, what a farce it will all become.

If it is his decision to whack the linejudge with his racquet, will you then be for or against him? Or will you continue with the "it's his decision" line of reasoning?

*Sigh* Tell me, has Taufik walked off in EVERY match he's played? As for whacking the line judge with his racquet... well what do you think? Of course I wouldn't defend him in that case! But is that what happened? Is that even CLOSE to what happened? It's not even worthy of comparison.

You're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not blindly defending what he did. When I say it's his decision, and that's okay, I'm saying that because it's not something dead serious like some people are making it out to be. It's nothing like whacking a line judge with your racquet. It's just not that serious.

**hcyong** · 08-31-2006, 05:48 AM

Originally Posted by phaarix

I'm not saying the linejudge was wrong either. I'm not getting at anyone here. My point has nothing to do with whether it was in or not. It's what Taufik thinks that justifies his reactions. As far as the "rude gestures" go, that's just human nature. He's obviously under a lot of pressure playing top level tournaments like this, and anyone can lose their cool if they feel they're being treated unfairly.

Once again, I'm not getting at anyone, I'm not saying it was in or out. I'm merely saying that Taufik is just human, and to stop over-dramatising such minor things as a "V signal". He made his decision based on what he thought was right. Get over it >_>.

I added these comments later in the same posting.

Everyone's playing for himself, sure, but if everyone walks off if he doesn't like a decision, what a farce it will all become.

If it is his decision to whack the linejudge with his racquet, will you then be for or against him? Or will you continue with the "it's his decision" line of reasoning?

**DinkAlot** · 08-31-2006, 05:50 AM

Thanks for the pics Cheung. Calls happen. Sometimes for you, sometimes against you. Regardless, as a professional, you have an obligation to the crowd that paid money to watch you play.

Retiring abruptly like TH did (for something so small) was extremely unprofessional. I'm disappointed.

**vsdelfin** · 08-31-2006, 05:51 AM

My 2 cents:
Taufik plays for himself, NOT TO ENTERTAIN the spectators. If he thinks that there is no point in continuing, its his decision. To demand him: "play for me bitch" is what is immature, not Taufik. Taufik is not your family doctor or your neighborhood policeman, he has no responsibility of playing to your satisfaction.

As to who is really the top dawg, the big daddy, the head honcho ... one more month and everybody can shut the hell up.

**Jessica** · 08-31-2006, 05:52 AM

I agree with hcyong..If every player can just leave the competition when they are not happy...Then what will happened???Anyway,player should not let his emotion affect his action..However..no matter who is fault in this incident...I still think that he should continue with his match...If he continue playing...he is really a professional and mature player..

**DinkAlot** · 08-31-2006, 05:55 AM

Originally Posted by vsdelfin

My 2 cents:
Taufik plays for himself, NOT TO ENTERTAIN the spectators. If he thinks that there is no point in continuing, its his decision. To demand him: "play for me bitch" is what is immature, not Taufik. Taufik is not your family doctor or your neighborhood policeman, he has no responsibility of playing to your satisfaction.

As to who is really the top dawg, the big daddy, the head honcho ... one more month and everybody can shut the hell up.

Keep your day job.

**vsdelfin** · 08-31-2006, 05:58 AM

can anybody state any IBF rule that Taufik broke?

... that's what I thought

**hcyong** · 08-31-2006, 05:58 AM

Originally Posted by phaarix

*Sigh* Tell me, has Taufik walked off in EVERY match he's played? As for whacking the line judge with his racquet... well what do you think? Of course I wouldn't defend him in that case! But is that what happened? Is that even CLOSE to what happened? It's not even worthy of comparison.

You're completely misinterpreting what I'm saying. I'm not blindly defending what he did. When I say it's his decision, and that's okay, I'm saying that because it's not something dead serious like some people are making it out to be. It's nothing like whacking a line judge with your racquet. It's just not that serious.

What if he decides to walk off on every match, thinking he is correct in walking off? What if every player decides that? Why does he think he is correct? Why must he assume that everyone else who disagrees is wrong?

**vsdelfin** · 08-31-2006, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by DinkAlot

Keep your day job.

*looks at your profile*
9.16 posts per day

**phaarix** · 08-31-2006, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Jessica

I agree with hcyong..If every player can just leave the competition when they are not happy...Then what will happened???Anyway,player should not let his emotion affect his action..However..no matter who is fault in this incident...I still think that he should continue with his match...If he continue playing...he is really a professional and mature player..

But they CAN leave whenever they want. They CAN default the match to the opposition. Not everyone is the same though. Taufik personally likes to only play in a fair environment, and if he thinks it is unfair, whether it be true or not, he has the right to stop playing.

If YOU would rather him play all his matches through to completion, despite how he feels (he is a person, not just a mindless professional... robot), then that's your problem.

Anyway, I've let you all know my opinion. I'm not interested in arguing with you all. You can think what you want, and I can think what I want. Personally, I think everyone should just cool down a bit and let it pass. Things like this happen.

**hcyong** · 08-31-2006, 06:05 AM

Actually, on retrospect, it is not his walking off that got me riled up. It is what he gestured to the linejudge.

**phaarix** · 08-31-2006, 06:08 AM

Originally Posted by hcyong

Actually, on retrospect, it is not his walking off that got me riled up. It is what he gestured to the linejudge.

Yeah, it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but no one's perfect. Anyway, off to bed with me. Hope this is all settled soon

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**taufik-ist** · 08-31-2006, 06:12 AM

i have missed the drama

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hmmm i was dissappointed with what taufik did ...

wc (lindan vs taufik) is getting hotter for sure

**hcyong** · 08-31-2006, 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by phaarix

Yeah, it wasn't the nicest thing to do, but no one's perfect. Anyway, off to bed with me. Hope this is all settled soon

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That's the perfect excuse. It can be used to explain away all the bad things that have been done in history. Hitler killed some people, but hey, no one's perfect.