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    As People have stated previousely LCW is better than LD in almost all aspects of the Game. He has better deception, Faster, technique and bigger smash.

    LCW has a problem in that he does not use these advantages together well enough, by way of shot selection, thinking his way round the court etc... IMO it is not mental strength so much that lets him down.

    LD Does this aspect much better, and this compensates for his inferiority Skills wise in the games.

    If LCW coordinates his skills better watch out!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Han
    Well, the purse money in badminton is just too small and it's very very difficult to win any Open title. In Malaysia, the players are taking care by the BAM in terms of salaries, food and lodging.(Except Hafiz is under Nusa Mahsuri but I believe Hafiz allowance also pay by BAM) Players get monthly allowance base on their world ranking plus base salary so even players don't win any title still will have nice living so why try so hard and taking the risk to injuries hence cut short ones badminton career? Why I am saying is, Malaysian players lack of motivation, desperation and urgency due to the surrounding enviroment ... It has been this way for long long time, I call it the Malaysian culture, it's OK to lose today as one can try again tomorrow and try again tomorrow after that if lose again and again... No new comer coming to replace anyway so why worry/hurry ? To what I heard, Lee Chong Wei is the only one who's willingly to work extra hard and willingly to accept new technique and idea ... The good news is, now we have Lee Chong Wei and the bad news is Lee Chog Wei is all we got now in MS
    WCH is a also a hardworking player. too bad he is injured.

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    It's clear that LD's biggest advantage over LCW is his MENTAL TOUGHNESS. That's why LD's ability to remain focused and play his game consistently has made him the best men's singles player in the world today. My logical choice as to who has the best chance of winning the WC this year is LD.

    On the other hand LCW is more entertaining to watch especially when he's in the "ZONE". I personally look forward to watching his awesome display of skill. Too bad however that more often than not, we only get to witness LCW in his best when he plays in his home turf.

    I hope that LCW finally develops the mental toughness he needs to put on a great show and win the gold in the coming WC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smashmouth
    It's clear that LD's biggest advantage over LCW is his MENTAL TOUGHNESS. That's why LD's ability to remain focused and play his game consistently has made him the best men's singles player in the world today. My logical choice as to who has the best chance of winning the WC this year is LD.

    On the other hand LCW is more entertaining to watch especially when he's in the "ZONE". I personally look forward to watching his awesome display of skill. Too bad however that more often than not, we only get to witness LCW in his best when he plays in his home turf.

    I hope that LCW finally develops the mental toughness he needs to put on a great show and win the gold in the coming WC.
    As i had said b4, LCW no longer has the weak mental issue. If u hv watch his great match comeback against CJ in HKO u'll know what i mean, so i dont agree that he can only play the best back home. However, i do agree that LD's shot consistency is slightly better than LCW which explains how he lost to Lin. Anyway LCW is has been constantly improving since MO, so we shall see what happens in WC

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    Quote Originally Posted by zqloy
    As i had said b4, LCW no longer has the weak mental issue. If u hv watch his great match comeback against CJ in HKO u'll know what i mean, so i dont agree that he can only play the best back home. However, i do agree that LD's shot consistency is slightly better than LCW which explains how he lost to Lin. Anyway LCW is has been constantly improving since MO, so we shall see what happens in WC
    Yeah, LCW just need to reduce those mad shots that are not even close to the sidelines...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ants
    LCW's defence is good.. but he should be more agresive on the attack.

    Well I think LCW is hoping for a screw up from LD to be more aggressive.

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    Badminton: Li Mao: Chong Wei closing in on Lin Dan
    06 Sep 2006
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    AS far as national singles coach Li Mao is concerned, World No 2 Lin Dan of China is the best player and Lee Chong Wei still remains in the chasing pack despite showing rapid progress this year.

    Li Mao picked Lin Dan, who will regain the World No 1 ranking tomorrow from Chong Wei after winning the Hong Kong Open on Saturday, to win the World Championships in Madrid on Sept 18-24.

    While not taking credit away from Chong Wei, the coach said his charge must continue to work hard to keep up with Lin Dan.

    Li Mao has placed Chong Wei alongside China’s trio of Bao Chunlai (ranked fourth), Chen Jin (fifth) and Chen Hong (sixth), Danish duo Peter Gade Christensen (third) and Kenneth Jonassen (eighth) and South Korean Lee Hyun Il (seventh) in the chasing pack.

    "Chong Wei has improved tremendously and is closing the gap on Lin Dan. I consider Lin Dan as the undisputed number one at the moment and Chong Wei is still in the second group," said Li Mao in Bukit Jalil yesterday.

    "Lin Dan is the player to beat in Madrid and Chong Wei must continue battling hard to achieve a good result.

    "The Hong Kong Open has also helped Chong Wei regain his confidence and I’m happy with his progress. He is where I want him to be heading towards the World Championships.

    "I do not want to predict anything but I can give an assurance that Chong Wei will give his very best."

    Chong Wei suffered a minor setback when he lost in the second round of the Thailand Open in August and the recent Korea Open, which was supposed to be his last tune-up event before the World Championships.

    Chong Wei then made a last-minute decision to compete in the Hong Kong Open last week to fine-tune his preparations for Madrid.

    The move proved fruitful as Chong Wei reached the final after beating two of his main rivals — Hyun Il in the quarter-finals and Chen Jin in the semi-finals — before bowing out to in-form Lin Dan in the final.

    It was Chong Wei’s sixth defeat in eight matches to the Chinese ace but his performance indicated that the World Championship could just turn out to be a two-way race.

    Li Mao, however, feels Lin Dan is not the only worry for Chong Wei. There is also China’s two-time world junior champion Chen Jin, 21.



    "Chen Jin is dangerous. He has improved a lot and we must not forget it. There are also other good players, and let’s not forget Taufik Hidayat," added Li Mao.

    "Chong Wei could meet Taufik (ranked 35th) early and he has to fight all the way."

    However, Chong Wei’s target is to end his losing streak to Lin Dan outside Malaysia. Li Mao may have planned something for Chong Wei.

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    Indra, not even Li Mao takes TH seriously if you read what he says at the beginning:

    "Li Mao has placed Chong Wei alongside China’s trio of Bao Chunlai (ranked fourth), Chen Jin (fifth) and Chen Hong (sixth), Danish duo Peter Gade Christensen (third) and Kenneth Jonassen (eighth) and South Korean Lee Hyun Il (seventh) in the chasing pack."

    TH's name is omitted from the above. Although Li Mao tries to correct himself (maybe by being polite) when he added later:

    "...let’s not forget Taufik Hidayat," added Li Mao.

    it is clear that TH is now a forgotten man and may not even make it as defending champion at the forthcoming Madrid WC in view of his recent 'infamous' tirade during the HK Open.

    But if TH is given another chance, would he be able to make amends?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh
    Indra, not even Li Mao takes TH seriously if you read what he says at the beginning:

    "Li Mao has placed Chong Wei alongside China’s trio of Bao Chunlai (ranked fourth), Chen Jin (fifth) and Chen Hong (sixth), Danish duo Peter Gade Christensen (third) and Kenneth Jonassen (eighth) and South Korean Lee Hyun Il (seventh) in the chasing pack."

    TH's name is omitted from the above. Although Li Mao tries to correct himself (maybe by being polite) when he added later:

    "...let’s not forget Taufik Hidayat," added Li Mao.

    it is clear that TH is now a forgotten man and may not even make it as defending champion at the forthcoming Madrid WC in view of his recent 'infamous' tirade during the HK Open.

    But if TH is given another chance, would he be able to make amends?
    good eyes loh, i notice that too when i first read it but didn't want to comment it as i have wrote alot on taufik already

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    TH is becoming a story in badminton after the incident in HKO? Many factors in HKO is from the line judgments, I was surprised it even happened in the finals with LCW and LD. I thought line judgements would improve after the SF .. :S Guess not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by quik_silver
    TH is becoming a story in badminton after the incident in HKO? Many factors in HKO is from the line judgments, I was surprised it even happened in the finals with LCW and LD. I thought line judgements would improve after the SF .. :S Guess not?
    sideline judge position is a tough job.
    1. it's long line to cover
    2. in SF and up, u sit far behind the court, behind the advertisement billboard. To see the shuttle clearly near the post area can be difficult on very close call. Eg. LD vs kenneth J, second game, KJ was actually closer seeing where the shuttle land than the linejudge. I see that one as IN too, on the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh
    Indra, not even Li Mao takes TH seriously if you read what he says at the beginning:

    "Li Mao has placed Chong Wei alongside Chinaís trio of Bao Chunlai (ranked fourth), Chen Jin (fifth) and Chen Hong (sixth), Danish duo Peter Gade Christensen (third) and Kenneth Jonassen (eighth) and South Korean Lee Hyun Il (seventh) in the chasing pack."

    TH's name is omitted from the above. Although Li Mao tries to correct himself (maybe by being polite) when he added later:

    "...letís not forget Taufik Hidayat," added Li Mao.

    it is clear that TH is now a forgotten man and may not even make it as defending champion at the forthcoming Madrid WC in view of his recent 'infamous' tirade during the HK Open.

    But if TH is given another chance, would he be able to make amends?
    Loh:

    Li Mao was VERY, VERY wrong!!!

    He did not take the event status and head-to-head psychological condition of the player into consideration in making his analysis. Remember what happened at the Olympic and last year WC, TH was UNDERESTIMATED....then all of a sudden, he messed up the forcasted scenario.

    He (Li Mao) failed to understand Taufik's unpredictable characters ; He TENDS to be careless when he is on top, BUT he HATES to be underestimated...When TH feels that he is UNDERESTIMATED, we all will see his real and unstoppable Taufik, .

    I personally like this current condition...in which most players and coaches doubt his ability, in which Taufik feels that he is BEING cornered and underestimated...This condition serves good fuel for Taufik to "burn" all his challengers in the WC, which is only 2 weeks away....I guess Taufik's hand is "itchy" already to show the world and prove that he is actually the man to beat .

    TH is very confident that he can handle LD and LCW...he will be in form in 2 weeks time....ANyhow, the more "negative" statements on TH, the better for TH as they will encourage and motivate TH to refute those "negative" statements....

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra
    Loh:

    Li Mao was VERY, VERY wrong!!!

    He did not take the event status and head-to-head psychological condition of the player into consideration in making his analysis. Remember what happened at the Olympic and last year WC, TH was UNDERESTIMATED....then all of a sudden, he messed up the forcasted scenario.

    He (Li Mao) failed to understand Taufik's unpredictable characters ; He TENDS to be careless when he is on top, BUT he HATES to be underestimated...When TH feels that he is UNDERESTIMATED, we all will see his real and unstoppable Taufik, .

    I personally like this current condition...in which most players and coaches doubt his ability, in which Taufik feels that he is BEING cornered and underestimated...This condition serves good fuel for Taufik to "burn" all his challengers in the WC, which is only 2 weeks away....I guess Taufik's hand is "itchy" already to show the world and prove that he is actually the man to beat .

    TH is very confident that he can handle LD and LCW...he will be in form in 2 weeks time....ANyhow, the more "negative" statements on TH, the better for TH as they will encourage and motivate TH to refute those "negative" statements....
    Yes, the whole chinese MS team mentally bombed in athen olympic. LD was white cold in 05 WC. I doubt LD is a 3 time bomber. Plus this time, china has chen jin which he hasn't yet shown any stage fright after graduating from his world jr champ status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra
    Loh:

    Li Mao was VERY, VERY wrong!!!

    He did not take the event status and head-to-head psychological condition of the player into consideration in making his analysis. Remember what happened at the Olympic and last year WC, TH was UNDERESTIMATED....then all of a sudden, he messed up the forcasted scenario.

    He (Li Mao) failed to understand Taufik's unpredictable characters ; He TENDS to be careless when he is on top, BUT he HATES to be underestimated...When TH feels that he is UNDERESTIMATED, we all will see his real and unstoppable Taufik, .

    I personally like this current condition...in which most players and coaches doubt his ability, in which Taufik feels that he is BEING cornered and underestimated...This condition serves good fuel for Taufik to "burn" all his challengers in the WC, which is only 2 weeks away....I guess Taufik's hand is "itchy" already to show the world and prove that he is actually the man to beat .

    TH is very confident that he can handle LD and LCW...he will be in form in 2 weeks time....ANyhow, the more "negative" statements on TH, the better for TH as they will encourage and motivate TH to refute those "negative" statements....
    Well I certainly hope Taufik can rise to the occasion and defend his WC title. Although I do not like his laziness/carelessness attitudes to try (at certain times) & his arrogant/childish ways, his wonderful skills & techniques impress me. But To be honest, Taufik hasn't shown any good form lately and doesn't seem to be motivated/inspired which is why I am very doubtful he'll be able to do so.

    But say, what if he does not win the title again, Indra? I really hope you'll just accept the fact that Taufik has lost his fire and stop giving excuses and start being realistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virusvoodoo
    Well I certainly hope Taufik can rise to the occasion and defend his WC title. Although I do not like his laziness/carelessness attitudes to try (at certain times) & his arrogant/childish ways, his wonderful skills & techniques impress me. But To be honest, Taufik hasn't shown any good form lately and doesn't seem to be motivated/inspired which is why I am very doubtful he'll be able to do so.

    But say, what if he does not win the title again, Indra? I really hope you'll just accept the fact that Taufik has lost his fire and stop giving excuses and start being realistic.
    I think this BAD BOY would turn Wonder BOY in this year WC, if not, he surely would return in the DOHA ASIAN GAME as he personally promised! Lets wait and see......

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    Quote Originally Posted by indra
    He (Li Mao) failed to understand Taufik's unpredictable characters ; He TENDS to be careless when he is on top, BUT he HATES to be underestimated...When TH feels that he is UNDERESTIMATED, we all will see his real and unstoppable Taufik, .
    But actually after TH performance in TC in early May, I donot think many coaches would have "overestimate" him in all the Opens he has participated except IO which he won as expected. The rest of the tournament, he did not really live up to his own standard or your theory of thriving on being an underdog.

    As I said in my earlier post, for player to excel in such major event, one has to improve gradually and hope to peak at the right moment. TH is rather flat at this moment and one wonder how he could peak in 2 weeks time when there are no more competitive matches that he could participate.

    On the other hand, I also worry about LCW whether he has overstepped the curve but participating in too many tournaments and start lossing steam when the WC commence!

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    Well...i believe that all the players will use all their ability to defeat their opponents..Like what indra said,anything is unpredicable before the WC...We do noe what TH planning or doing...So,lets don't underestimate him...As i say,everybody stand an equally chance and it depends on how you use it...

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