ridiculous draw at tarnished WC

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  1. 2cents

    2cents Regular Member

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    There are four empty entries in the men's singles draw, while many good players are rejected to play. It's waste of resources, tarnishes the completeness and integrity of the WC, and also it's unfair for other players because four players automatically advanced into the 2nd round already without any fighting.

    Why not either let more players in from different countries, or simply add the top ranked players: Chen Yu, Niels Kaldau, Joachim Persson and Sairul Ayob to the draw. Those guys are always seeds in open tournaments, but even cannot play WC, especially Chen Yu, who was the best at Thailand open, defeated the top seed Lee CW, 3rd seed Chen Jin, 5th seed Chen Hong, and many others. So how Lee CW, CJ, CH ... can claim world champion (if they win) without Chen Yu's participation.
     
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    could it be due to player entry quota ibf put on each country?
     
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    well, if they don't limit the players from 1 country, then china will have 7-8 players in the WS. imagine that, an all chinese quarterfinal! but i agree that the number of byes is a waste, they should have some wildcards for players like TG/CW who have a good chance of winning the event ...
     
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    Even with a limit, can't they include the next ranked players? I would agree it seems a pity to waste the space. Or even give extra wild card entries..
     
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    When the qulification period ends they use the criteria for qualifications and invite the players. I remember last WC someone posted a spreadsheet of the qualified players, and this included 7 or 8 reserves. I presume this time they Invited these reserves but they Declined?

    This years list is here:

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35983

    If not I agree it is a waste. In a prestigious tournament there should not be any Byes.
     
  6. rudy6713

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    simon santoso should be included
     
  7. 2cents

    2cents Regular Member

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    Exactly!

    Simon Santoso is the best Indonesia men's singles player currently. Look at the ranking:

    23 SANTOSO Simon INA 16843
    31 HIDAYAT Taufik INA 15413
    40 ROSOBIN ~ Jeffer INA 12720
    46 KUNCORO Sony Dwi INA 11697

    Simon Santoso, ranked 23rd in the world, cannot play at WC, while Kuncoro Sony, ranked at 46, is qualified. :eek: :confused: :eek:

    INA, has been regarded as the most powerful and strongest powerhouse in badminton. And its best player, Simon Santoso , even can not play at the world championship, while some guys, can play, even ranked 217th in the world :eek: This is so called the most prestige championship in the world :crying: :crying: :crying:
     
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    that's because he didn't qualify by the ibf deadline for eligible players ... can't remember when that was though.
     
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    They're 12 byes in the MD draw. How's that for ridiculous!
     
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    gotta keep the expense down, more byes, less shuttles used;)
     
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    Well... ranking doesn't really mean anything, the technique of a player is more important. Hmm.. probably TH do bad on purpose.. :rolleyes: So he can players with less exprience in WC.
     
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    IBF limited the number of player from country in each category.
    But, they still can join if got wild-card.

     
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    Agreed wild card is also a better way then the current practice. But i still feel that setting a quota for country is an unfair game.

    Regardless of how many good player a country can produce, if the player is competent and good, he should be given chance. Domination by one country should not be an issue. My reason? If that country is so good to produce so many good player, what wrong with it to have 8 players enter quarterfinal?

    Do you suggest that it will make the game less attractive/interesting?

    Flaws! Don't you see that Asia can hardly even reach last 16 in World Cup (football) (except for Korea in 2002), but Asian still enjoy the game very much. They still enjoy seeing France vs Italy. Same is true here. If Indonesia is so strong in Men's double, then the individual badminton club suppoter will be happy to watch their club's player playing against other club's player in Final/Semifinal/quarterfinal.
     
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    IBF realised they need to, otherwise there would be not a few fake matches like CJ vs LD semi in MO and TPO or all MAS MD semi in AE06. That's the last thing you want to see for a tournament that's telecast worldwide.This WC, CHN already hit jackpot, they have 4 MS instead of the usual 3 and fake matches may figure if, say , BCL or CH play very well.A fake match is cowardly and an insult to the sport, hence its occurence should be minimised.
     
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    I believe the main reason IBF introduced country quota in WC is to project badminton as a “global sport” enjoyed and played by many countries instead of being dominated by a few countries. That is why you see many countries participating in WC. IBF wants to please the IOC whose members can decide whether badminton remains one of 28 Olympic sports. Badminton is not “secured” Olympic sport at the moment as the game is dominated by a few Asian countries (China, Indonesia, Korea and Malaysia). It would be sad for all of us if rugby, squash, or golf mange to elbow their way in and replace badminton as an Olympic sport.

    The most deserving players to fill the byes are unfortunately players from China, Indonesia, Korea and Malaysia. Including them in would increase the % of players from these few countries. But given the current scenario, should we throw open the WC and let all the best players participate??? There are many fantastic players like Simon Susanto, Chen Yu, T.Gunawan/C.Wijaya, Gan Teik Chai/Zakry, Sairul Ayob, etc not being given the opportunity to participate in Madrid WC. These players are world class players and on their day they can be world champions!
     
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    My suggestion to IBF:

    To ensure the the WC is participated by players around the globe and excellent players....in addition to the quota regulation, I have another suggestion:

    " Any player / pairs who have reached at least ONCE the semi final in ANY 6* tournament or the final in ANY 5* in the past 12 months shall have the right to participate in the WC."
     
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    I think

    we must support IBF decision to limit the number of players from one country so badminton becoming more popular and can become a number one sport in the world
     
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    But now the most popular and no 1 sport in the world is still football...:crying: You can see all the peoples crazy about the World Cup...But in fact,i love badminton more...:D
     
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    IBF should introduce WC..regardless how they will do it or what criteria will be used.......add some players to spoil or create the upset in WC...it is called World Championship...so any best players should participate..period!!
     
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    Badminton is no exception to the rule that Nations have quotas for the number of participants. Football has such rules for its World Cup.

    It is an Olympic rule that The sport should be multinational. If people wish badminton to be excluded from the OG, and have less profile and less exposure than it currently has, then please continue to lobby to abandon the quotas. If you require the sport to maintain or grow its profile and exposure, then support the quota system.


    I support the quota system as it helps to popularise the sport in lesser nations, and gives developing or middling nations to get better results on the world stage, so improving their nations popularity. It does not Favour Super powers such as CHN or MAL where there players dominate, but a sport dominated by one coutry leads to less exposure outside that country eg. American football.

    I agree that their should not be byes in WC, but think that the byes should be filled by the reserves from the previousley linked qualification thread. If players cannot afford to travel, then perhaps WBF should subsidise their expenses.
     

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