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09-28-2006, 11:38 PM #1
A look back on the 21 point rally system after WC06
World Championships 2006 ended on a bitter note for me .... and the reason Taufik Hidayat, Lee Hyun Il and Peter Gade were all out so badly. They appeared different, I mean the games after watching each game again and again I always wondered what if it were were the old conventional 15 points system. Even when I play back in my club I see that the games complete so quickly and a small mistake will never give you an other chance.. after all to err is human, then why not give him a chance. To me Lee Hyun Il for example lost just because of this pointing system, with bad calls and line judgements messing you up, many unforced errors will just kick you out of the game.
Anyways I wanted to know if there are people like me who don't like this new system and if we can sign in a petition or let the IBF know about it.... after all its the badminton fans who keep watching the games and continue to keep badminton in the limelight...
09-29-2006, 12:52 AM #2Originally Posted by chikkubhai
09-29-2006, 02:31 AM #3
With 15-point system, bad calls can also mess you up. Lots of mistakes can also cause you to lose. It is not fair to say that Lee HI lost to Bao just because of the scoring system.
Remember that if you manage to win a game in the 21-point system, it means you must be leading in the 15-point system (if you've not won already) or at least equal on points but serving.
I also think that if you can lose 21 rallies to another rally (including errors etc.), you deserve to lose the game.
09-29-2006, 05:33 AM #4
hi kemana... thanks for the response, you could suggest something on how we could make a difference...
hi hcyong... I just thought that this could be one of the factors involved... I agree that I became pro Lee Hyuns after watching the game a couple of times. When you look at the second set of Lee Hyuns game with Bao you can notice how quickly the game changed. Lee Hyun in fact made 25 unforced errors and still if you have watched carefully you can start to feel that it was Lee Hyuns game. Couple of bad calls actually, 4 have changed the difference in scores by many points, so instead if were continous bad calls the difference can be way too much on the player and when you are closer to winning the pressures even more... Even when Lee was 19 and it was Baos match point he made an unforced error and lost the match he could have won....
Same with TH he could have not been able to pick up Chen Hongs powerful smashes but to continue and tire the opponent TH had a better hand... TH COULD have also won the match had he been not lazy then... too late he realized...
These are just my opinions and felt they are all due to the 21 point rally system. I wish it were those same old system atleast for QF, SF and Finals. Compare the 4-5 hour games of tennis to less than a hour game of badminton it completes even before you realize it just started. Its appearing that who ever warms up quickly and is consistent will win easily to me. I would like the one whos more fit and capable of withstanding longer durations to win the game. Just an opinion.
comments and criticism please.....
Last edited by chikkubhai; 09-29-2006 at 05:35 AM.
09-29-2006, 06:35 AM #5
i'm against the 21-point system as well.
i think it forces people to play more nervously and conservatively, because 1 or 2 mistakes later on in the game could be the end.
in the 15 point system, if you were 11-14 down, there's still a good chance to catch up, especially in doubles.
in the 21 point system, if you were 20-17 down, chances are you've lost.
09-29-2006, 07:30 AM #6Originally Posted by chikkubhai
But,here is my suggestion, move back to 15 or make it 5 games(can adjust the score for each game though,maybe 15? in case it's too long and too tiring for the players).
09-29-2006, 07:35 AM #7Originally Posted by Dreamzz
Originally Posted by Dreamzz
09-29-2006, 05:04 PM #8
I'm an anti-21 as well But I think we will have to get use to it.
09-29-2006, 08:44 PM #9Originally Posted by Baderz_Jas
09-29-2006, 08:49 PM #10Originally Posted by chikkubhai
09-30-2006, 02:54 AM #11
Conservative here when it comes to badminton, don't really understand why they switched it out of the blue...I mean, I think the 15 point system worked well, and the suspense near the end of the game is what I enjoy most watching a game, not including the actualy gameplay. Doesn't seem fair to some of the older players used to the old style of play. Afterall, even though in essence it is still just winning more rallies than your opponent, it's still different... =/
09-30-2006, 03:20 AM #12
it has made womens singles more watchable because winning w/ 11 points was lame, too short of a game.
it has made womens doubles more watchable because those matches would take forever.
over all i don't like the new scoring system, but i am willing to accept it.
it was originally implemented to make badminton more compatible with tv broadcasts. if we want badminton to be more popular to the masses, we need tv.
the one good part about the new system is the speed at which the next court is available during open gyms!
09-30-2006, 03:23 AM #13
lol, that's true. Now you can't just have a game keep going back and forth for a few hours during open court times...instead you have less than 45 rallies to go through...so you can't have two new guys keep missing their serves forever... xD
09-30-2006, 05:36 AM #14Originally Posted by Aozora
09-30-2006, 05:45 AM #15Originally Posted by kemana
09-30-2006, 05:55 AM #16
My stance on 21 rally scoring hasnīt changed.
In essence it shortens the games and games where players are closely match it is VERY common to go to 22,23,24,25 etc.. to win a game (in many cases even in the decider).
This causes excitment for the crowd, which is posivite (so from a marketing perspective to the non-badminton community I have to admit it have some advantages).
But as the game is shortened and points are more important, it will also make controversial line-calls, serve-judging, net-rolls etc. become a much much bigger factor than with the 3x15 scoring. So to me the 21x3 system is inferior to separate evenly matched players (to really find out which one is the best), and the "luck" factor comes more into play..
With the old system.. Winning at least two rallies in sequence to get a point, minimized the effect of a bad line-call, a lucky-shot, a service-fault in doubt etc so errors or flukes felt less decisive..
09-30-2006, 11:02 AM #17
I grow to dislike the 21 system more and more with every match I watch.
I just get a feeling that many matches end up with the less better player winning.
I think scoring system is responsible to give the better player the higher chance to win the match even if he lost his focus for short while. otherwise it is not badminton match but lower unforced error player match.
I think that the tennis scoring system is excellent in that. I've seen many matches where the clearly better player lost a set or even two but had the chance to regain his compossure and go back to win the match.
Maybe 6 star / WC tournaments should be played to 5 sets like tennis, it does not make sense that a match in a WC event can be won in less than 30min
I also prefer much the concept of only server scores, because there is only one service attempt it makes much more sense in badminton. I want the winner to win his points and not get points from opponent serve into net or long !!!
I was very disappointed to hear Peter Gade praise the 21-system in this 2006 WC interview: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UmonVo6o3Jk after in the beggining he was very much against it. I wonder what made him change his mind.
I really hope it will be changed at some point.
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