Is Bao chun lai cheating?? Chen Hong got red handed cheating!!!

**jgao_net** · 12-10-2006, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by jotaro

The picture does not tell the truth which is why you need to download the movie from the link. I said CH's cheating, period.

just because YOU say something doesnt mean it's true.

unless you get conclusive evidence (that video/picture is NOT conclusive) there is no way to prove CH is cheating.

remember, innocent until proven guilty.

**red00ecstrat** · 12-10-2006, 11:15 PM

Originally Posted by Neil Nicholls

Cheating by altering the shuttle is usually done on your own serve, because otherwise you have to give the shuttle to your opponent and they get to look at it and choose to change it if they want.

I couldn't agree more!

**eagle** · 12-11-2006, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by red00ecstrat

I couldn't agree more!

Altering the shuttle during the match breaches the code of conduct and laws of the game. Just remember friends it's not our local gym/ club play. At international level all these are illegal offences, especially doing it hiding with back to the opponent and the match referee.

**By You** · 12-12-2006, 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by jgao_net

.............., innocent until proven guilty.

I think what is discussing here is "guilty until proven innocent"........

**jotaro** · 12-12-2006, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by jgao_net

(that video/picture is NOT conclusive) there is no way to prove CH is cheating.

...innocent until proven guilty.

If you think the video can't tell CH is cheating, then you should provide your statement to convince some of the members here. By saying NOT conclusive didn't prove a damn thing of what we've seen on the video so far.

Originally Posted by By You

I think what is discussing here is "guilty until proven innocent"........

couldn't agree more lol

**jgao_net** · 12-12-2006, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by jotaro

If you think the video can't tell CH is cheating, then you should provide your statement to convince some of the members here. By saying NOT conclusive didn't prove a damn thing of what we've seen on the video so far.

couldn't agree more lol

remember that it's "innocent until proven guilty". because you think he's GUILTY of cheating, you have to show CONCLUSIVE evidence or else he's "free to walk"

**SteveStanley** · 12-12-2006, 06:31 PM

yeah, we need more proves here ...

**Qidong** · 12-12-2006, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by jgao_net

remember that it's "innocent until proven guilty". because you think he's GUILTY of cheating, you have to show CONCLUSIVE evidence or else he's "free to walk"

Remember there are two different kinds of counties on earth running 2 different type of justice systems - 1 is "Innocent until proven guilty" and the other is "Guilty until proven Innocent. I guess both you and I are in a place which is running the first type.

**silentheart** · 12-12-2006, 09:09 PM

In China, it is guilty until proven innocent. So, CH should prove he is innocent...

**eagle** · 12-13-2006, 03:59 AM

If a video evidence is not conclusive of cheating..then somebody should prove that it's NOT Chen Hong who is playing

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Anyways friends next time you watch a badminton video look for how the shuttle is being handled...you may discover more of these cheating caught on camera.

**By You** · 12-13-2006, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by eagle

If a video evidence is not conclusive of cheating..then somebody should prove that it's NOT Chen Hong who is playing

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Anyways friends next time you watch a badminton video look for how the shuttle is being handled...you may discover more of these cheating caught on camera.

IMO, it's true that a single snapshot or video at glance is not conclusive of cheating.

**bigfatfish** · 03-09-2007, 09:35 AM

my view of CH turning away from his opponent, with the shuttle in
his hand is really just a way of regaining wind... so dat while he
does not face his opponent, he can choose not 2 return the shuttle
back to TH to start another rally... yet.

**Dummey** · 03-09-2007, 05:46 PM

I think this is all getting blown out of poportion since in theory if I smooth out the feathers on a bird while playing a game, I would be altering the flight path of the bird deliberately and therfore I would be cheating. Under the scrutany of many of you guys, that would be caught on camera and called cheating. The same if I do anything to the bird. As far as I kno, squeezing the bird like that, especially tournement grade birds does not do much in terms of flight path alterations. Another possibility is like bigfatfish suggested. What if he is doing that to regain mental focus and giving the bird a squeeze is just a way of reconfirming his confidence?

**gustaff** · 03-10-2007, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by BadFever

Correct me if I am wrong. I understand Chen Hong requires the shuttle to be fast to suit his style of play (attacking all the time) but for Bao CL, doesn't his style of play require a slower shuttle as he is always on the defensive. Why would he tamper with shuttle and try to make it faster, especially when he is playing Taufik who happen to have a very powerful smash.

maybe hes making it slower

**V_forever** · 04-03-2007, 12:01 PM

ROFL after reading all of this, eagle and all of u such apparently u guys have created some grudges against Chinese Players obviously for the reasons that they are too good but clearly think about. In a crowd of such, with judges and refs sitting everywhere do u think that move cud possibily be counted as a cheating move? LOL

**Smichz** · 05-29-2007, 11:15 AM

As i know,China is one of the nations that would do anything to get a win,even sometimes they have to violate the rules.They don't really respects sportivity,just the result,is which is a victory.
From what i have seen,there's still some uncertainty i have,of what CH was doing.But,shouldn't he just change the shuttle when it's should be changed,instead of just doing something to it.They didnt pay for it,unlike us,so,it's unnecessary to do it.Simply just ask the ball umpire to change it.The shutter will be much better than when u do tricks about it,unless if..HE got some other intentions.

So,even if CH didnt cheat,he surely violates the rule of IBF about tampering or doing tricks to the shuttle.So,why bother?Just simply change the shuttle.