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Thread: why did LD lose?
12-09-2006, 09:29 PM #35
Originally Posted by cooler
Maybe its all part of Taufik's psychological warfare against Lin Dan by getting Lee Dong Soo to penetrate into Lin Dan's greatest weakness... xxf...
This might be the reason why Lindan couldnt unlease his powerful smashes.
So next time, Lin Dan should know better... muahahahah...
12-09-2006, 09:29 PM #36
replying eskey post taken from another thread to stay in topicOriginally Posted by eskey
I watched the JO and AG team singles event, and have no doubt TH remembered LD stroke style. LD should play TH this time like he played LCW at the HKO, go all out to take the 1st, drag on the 2nd to tire out LCW and lose the 2nd set, and finish the tired lcw on the 3rd. TH knows he can only win if he take 2 games.
Changes TH made for this match:
- TH smashing less, he knows LD can dive save with interest payment TH is reading LD jumpsmash better to predict a straight or cross court smash.
-TH is playing safe and less error prone shots. ie, let LD make the errors which is exactly what happened. LD panicked and led him to make even more simple unforced errors. This explains why LD look nervous. TH read that and increase his concentration - like saying to himself that he has a good chance to take the 2nd game too. TH timed his momentum run at the right moment,
- at the team event, TH netted a shot on his left side and LD pounce on it with a net tap. The shuttle sailed at an extreme angle & landed in on TH's far right hand side for a point to LD. At today match, exact net shot was pounced on by LD but this time TH just stick out his AT700 to intercept the shuttle sailing the same trajectory as before. Even if TH had closed his eye he could intercepted that net tap by LD.
Overall, LD was complacent and didnt have a fresh plan to beat TH while TH used his experience learned from his past lost and throw them back at LD. LD thot he could just smash his way through like the way he demolished LHI sequel match.
Last edited by cooler; 12-09-2006 at 09:33 PM.
12-09-2006, 09:48 PM #37
lol. first time I saw a "Why Lin Dan lost". It usually is a " Why Taufik Lost"
12-09-2006, 09:57 PM #38
I don't think TH made significantly less errors. There are many wide smashes, wide drops, wide clears, into the net, etc. And LD didn't do bad this time at net. Basically, TH uses his net play to scare LD instead of hoping to directly win the point there. The plan is to pull LD forward and then do baseline control. Same tactic as LHI did in the team final.
Also I don't think LD uses his 2nd HKO game to tire LCW. 8:21 (if my memory does not fail me) cannot tire anyone. It's like Simon's 3:15 loss to PR in 04 Thomas cup. PR alive and kicking in the 2nd game LOL. My guess is that LCW got too excited and tired himself up emotionally since this is the first time he beated LD so convincingly in one set. So he seemed a bit exhausted in the 3rd game.
Originally Posted by cooler
12-09-2006, 10:07 PM #39
Originally Posted by ye333
well, i saw the HKO match, LCW was tired out on the 3rd game from about 15 point onward.
12-09-2006, 10:21 PM #40
Originally Posted by coolerOriginally Posted by ye333
however, for the above comments, i'm on the same boat as you both...I haven't seen the LD vs. LHI Men's Team event Final, but i would guess that was the tactic employed by LHI..
Well, i guess that's why they play the game and it's always a constant change of plans & strategies...Next game, the losing player can/will adjust and win and so forth etc...
Last edited by ctjcad; 12-09-2006 at 10:26 PM.
12-09-2006, 10:24 PM #41
Hidayat gets sweet revenge over arch rival Lin in Asian Games badminton final by Trudy Harris
Sat Dec 9, 1:05 PM ET
DOHA (AFP) - Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat scored sweet revenge over arch rival Lin Dan, beating the world No.1 to lift the Asian Games badminton singles title.
Hong Kong's Wang Chen won the women's final, defeating teammate Yip Pui Yin 21-14, 22-20 for the territory's first Asian Games badminton title.
Hidayat overcame some second game nerves to beat the Chinese star 21-15, 22-20 in a tense match in front of a cheering, flag-waving Indonesian crowd.
After securing the first game and going 17-20 down in the second, he saved three game points to take the title, sending the crowd into a screaming frenzy.
"I lost in the team event and it was playing on my mind. I wanted to win the first game for sure. He was fast in the second game and I wanted to stay with him and with endurance I did," said the Indonesian star.
The defending champion said his personal rivalry with Lin did not have an impact on the game, and he offered an olive branch of sorts.
"I never speak to him because I don't speak Mandarin and he doesn't speak Indonesian. But we are okay," the seventh seed said in English.
"Everything is okay, I think maybe the media blows these things up."
Lin and the bronze medallists declined to attend the post-match news conference, where the world champion would have sat alongside Hidayat, prompting the Indonesian to say with a grin: "Ask him why he didn't show up."
Tensions have been simmering between the two since Hidayat launched an astonishing personal attack on Lin last Friday, saying he was arrogant and unfriendly.
The comments backfired spectacularly with the 25-year-old losing twice to Lin in the team competition, both times in three games.
Lin conceded that Hidayat had played the better match, and he was feeling the pressure in the second game.
"Taufik played much better than I expected," he said.
"When I was leading 20-17 I felt I wanted to win so much. That's why I lost eventually."
12-09-2006, 10:28 PM #42
why LinDan lost? cause he is playing a game, theres winner and loser?
hope we can analyse what lindan did wrong rather than just saying lindan can do better and taufik was lucky and stuff, makes alot of fans argue and quarrel
12-09-2006, 11:48 PM #43
Originally Posted by cooler
Anyway thanks for the good summary cooler (in a previous post) , I'm yet to see the match but it sounds quite interesting (smart play etc.).
12-10-2006, 01:34 AM #44
because XXF also failed ........
so, both LD and XXF made a promise to make in 2010 ......
12-10-2006, 02:11 AM #45
Taufik read the game well and played his shots early, especially in the first set and towards the middle of the 2nd set. He lost some steam midway but managed to hold on for the win. LD was under too much pressure after losing the 1st set. I think he may have been overconfident of taking the game easily and was surpised by Taufik's inspired play. Also, LD's net play was nowhere compared to Taufik.
Let's see how they fare in a rematch.
12-10-2006, 02:48 AM #46
Originally Posted by jeyel
But,i'm really happy LD lose to TH...
12-10-2006, 04:58 AM #47
I noticed Taufik is using a lot less backhand which showed he wasn't being lazy. Whenever Lin Dan cleared to his backhand side, he would use his forehand most of the time. I thought that was a good sign.
I think Taufik is still not 100%. His net play is still phenomenal, but when used to do his tumbling drops before and got a steep lift, he would run back and do a jump smash kill usually. But now, his touch is there but when he gets the lift, he drops it or he does a half smash. He's not able to use his jump smash, I don't know if it's from lack of fitness or what.
12-10-2006, 05:44 AM #48
Originally Posted by flymordecai
12-10-2006, 07:05 AM #49
LD lost that's sad but congrats toTH! he got his gold at last, in his last AG haha
12-10-2006, 07:06 AM #50
LD was leading 20-17 in the 2nd set and lost he lost like this again haha
12-10-2006, 07:18 AM #51
Originally Posted by Baderz_Jas
sweet revenge ....
in 2nd set when LD bombard TH with jumping smashes and leading 16:11, i predicted TH would lose and had no chance in 3rd set ...
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