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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler
    for the asian game, half of zero is still zero (if i'm right).
    i'm sure chinese players would get something for winning a gold but i'm sure no where near taufik's official 51K plus other non official incentives.
    What I am implying is chinese player has to give back half their winning (not half of zero incentive as you said!) whereas MAS and INA players keep 100% of theirs, plus incentives aforementioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiroisuke
    A lot harder? It's too hard to tell unless they did specific studies on the requirements in energy and all that required. Badminton requires plenty of starting and stopping, as well as quick change of directions, not to mention deception, slices, high speed smashes and drives, as well as diving and constant jumping (especially true for doubles).

    True, at the current rate, badminton players have it much harder than most other atheletes. It's ridiculous, IMO, that golf, baseball, and F1 generate so much revenue. The skill and effort required in those I find far less than most sports, and it's terrible that they make an obscene amount sometimes. However, if something can be done about it, I'm sure that badminton could generate more popularity and publicity as well as revenue. Just look at soccer, volleyball, and basketball: Very popular, lots of skill and effort required, and plenty of revenue. Badminton is similar to those three, with the difference being in revenue.

    Eh? USA dominates the Olympics, coming in first, but so does China, usually close behind. Yet, USA, being the richer and more influential of the two, can popularize the sports it dominates (I do think our basketball team for the Olympics has declined in the last few years, our best no longer wish to go, as they already make millions just by playing in the NBA). So I do think that if the USA were to improve in badminton and popularize it, badminton would generate more revenue.


    Anyways, that really is quite a bonus that Taufik received. Even in the US, that would be quite attractive, unless they were obscenely rich already (as some of our athletes are).
    there's a reason why there is only about 25 official F1 racers in the world. to call them not fit, with no skill and minimal effort involved yet still able to win is absurd. it is extremely difficult to be a F1 driver, IMO probably more difficult than that of a badminton player.

    also, the reason why baseball/golf/F1 athletes and drivers get more salary is because more people watch it. F1 is the most watched sports event that annually occurs, baseball is the most popular sport in the states and golf is played by almost all of eruope and all of the US. it's as simple as that.

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    Oh.. It is not surprised for indonesian badminton....

    If anyplayer from indonesia can win the olimpic, asian games, world championship, the bonus will coming....

    Last time susi susanti get 1 triliun rupiah and alan get 1 triliun rupiah also.. and each of them get house and also a lots bonus...

    FYI: Actually not 100% for the Taufik. Because Indonesia policies (PBSI Policies): 70% for Taufik, 5% for Coach(Mulyo Handoyo), 10% for PBSI (Pelatnas), 10% for Club (PB SGS), 5% for place taufik born (Bandung).


    Quote Originally Posted by taufik-ist
    taufik said his winning was dedicated for his father in law that will retire as the chairman of KONI and also for sutiyoso's birthday present .

    taufik will get one new house and also 500 millions rupiah (US$51,000) as official bonus, i heard there will be more bonus' from sutiyoso's own pocket and also from some conglomerates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taufik-ist
    taufik said his winning was dedicated for his father in law that will retire as the chairman of KONI and also for sutiyoso's birthday present .

    taufik will get one new house and also 500 millions rupiah (US$51,000) as official bonus, i heard there will be more bonus' from sutiyoso's own pocket and also from some conglomerates.
    yep, his father-in-law, Agum Gumelar. hes not just a badminton player, hes also a superstar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgao_net
    there's a reason why there is only about 25 official F1 racers in the world. to call them not fit, with no skill and minimal effort involved yet still able to win is absurd. it is extremely difficult to be a F1 driver, IMO probably more difficult than that of a badminton player.

    also, the reason why baseball/golf/F1 athletes and drivers get more salary is because more people watch it. F1 is the most watched sports event that annually occurs, baseball is the most popular sport in the states and golf is played by almost all of eruope and all of the US. it's as simple as that.
    It certainly is more difficult in terms of reaction time. However, though as much practice is required and more danger is involved, I'd say it's less grueling, since the machine and it's construct is worth 90% of your results, the rest being reaction time and knowing what to do when.

    Of course, being an ecofreak, I'm rather biased against F1 as it seems (to me) to be a rather senseless use of a lot of fossil fuels, materials, and research that could be committed to more useful applications. Is watching cars go in circles around a track really that interesting? Perhaps I just don't get it.

    I like that badminton seems somewhat more sustainable, heh, not to mention trains the mind, body, reflexes, and requires an incredible amount of everything... mental toughness, precision, endurance, strength. Although I admit that the disposability of the shuttles, not to mention the fates of the birds with which they are made, is rather depressing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgao_net
    there's a reason why there is only about 25 official F1 racers in the world. to call them not fit, with no skill and minimal effort involved yet still able to win is absurd. it is extremely difficult to be a F1 driver, IMO probably more difficult than that of a badminton player.

    also, the reason why baseball/golf/F1 athletes and drivers get more salary is because more people watch it. F1 is the most watched sports event that annually occurs, baseball is the most popular sport in the states and golf is played by almost all of eruope and all of the US. it's as simple as that.
    Agree with U of course. Mega revenue streams support from commercials and advertisements make those sports popular and well paid. Most sports are tough especially at the very top level, but badminton being not popular in North America will not tap into the revenue streams...why do U think WC05 is held in Anaheim when there are lots of empty seats and even then is attended mostly by Asians spectators in the finals. INA and MAS guarantee IBF full house if WC05 is held there, yet IBF choose Anaheim...to break into North America...IBF even use the 21-point to attract TV coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hiroisuke
    A lot harder? It's too hard to tell unless they did specific studies on the requirements in energy and all that required. Badminton requires plenty of starting and stopping, as well as quick change of directions, not to mention deception, slices, high speed smashes and drives, as well as diving and constant jumping (especially true for doubles).

    True, at the current rate, badminton players have it much harder than most other atheletes. It's ridiculous, IMO, that golf, baseball, and F1 generate so much revenue. The skill and effort required in those I find far less than most sports, and it's terrible that they make an obscene amount sometimes. However, if something can be done about it, I'm sure that badminton could generate more popularity and publicity as well as revenue. Just look at soccer, volleyball, and basketball: Very popular, lots of skill and effort required, and plenty of revenue. Badminton is similar to those three, with the difference being in revenue.

    Eh? USA dominates the Olympics, coming in first, but so does China, usually close behind. Yet, USA, being the richer and more influential of the two, can popularize the sports it dominates (I do think our basketball team for the Olympics has declined in the last few years, our best no longer wish to go, as they already make millions just by playing in the NBA). So I do think that if the USA were to improve in badminton and popularize it, badminton would generate more revenue.


    Anyways, that really is quite a bonus that Taufik received. Even in the US, that would be quite attractive, unless they were obscenely rich already (as some of our athletes are).
    hockey players have to play games a 2-3 times a week from september-april and thats not including the playoff. on top of that, they travel from city to city living out of a suitcase.

    in november, the anaheim ducks played games on these dates: 1, 3, 6, 9, 10, 12, 15, 17, 19, 21, 22, 24, 26, 28 and 29. plus, the teams have to practice almost everyday.
    no badminton player could do that. period. LD and Taufik did not attend a single tournament in novemeber, not including DOHA which started nov30.

    51000 USD a bonus??? lol to sports stars in europe/north america that is pocket change. $51000 compared to 19 year old sports stars who are making almost $1000000 a year. lol

    IBF tried to popularize badminotn in USA. why do u think they held 05 WC in anaheim?? plus, an american team WON the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS of BADMINTON! but it is still not popular
    lol, badminton probably will never be a main stream sport anywhere in the world cept, china/malaysia/indo/korea?/japan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwood_13
    It certainly is more difficult in terms of reaction time. However, though as much practice is required and more danger is involved, I'd say it's less grueling, since the machine and it's construct is worth 90% of your results, the rest being reaction time and knowing what to do when.

    Of course, being an ecofreak, I'm rather biased against F1 as it seems (to me) to be a rather senseless use of a lot of fossil fuels, materials, and research that could be committed to more useful applications. Is watching cars go in circles around a track really that interesting? Perhaps I just don't get it.

    I like that badminton seems somewhat more sustainable, heh, not to mention trains the mind, body, reflexes, and requires an incredible amount of everything... mental toughness, precision, endurance, strength. Although I admit that the disposability of the shuttles, not to mention the fates of the birds with which they are made, is rather depressing.
    Bird end up in Chinatown eatery...crispy and tasty....hahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie
    Bird end up in Chinatown eatery...crispy and tasty....hahahahaha
    Hahahaha, well at least that's a sustainable use!

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    Quote Originally Posted by super__gao
    hockey players have to play games a 2-3 times a week from september-april and thats not including the playoff. on top of that, they travel from city to city living out of a suitcase.

    in november, the anaheim ducks played games on these dates: 1, 3, 6, 9, 10, 12, 15, 17, 19, 21, 22, 24, 26, 28 and 29. plus, the teams have to practice almost everyday.
    no badminton player could do that. period. LD and Taufik did not attend a single tournament in novemeber, not including DOHA which started nov30.

    51000 USD a bonus??? lol to sports stars in europe/north america that is pocket change. $51000 compared to 19 year old sports stars who are making almost $1000000 a year. lol

    IBF tried to popularize badminotn in USA. why do u think they held 05 WC in anaheim?? plus, an american team WON the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS of BADMINTON! but it is still not popular
    lol, badminton probably will never be a main stream sport anywhere in the world cept, china/malaysia/indo/korea?/japan?
    Cannot agree with U more that hockey players train very hard and I love Wayne Gretzky having stayed in Edmonton from 1978 to 1988, watched the best hockey ever played (Calgary Flames fans would have something to say about this)....but they are very well compensated for their efforts and that include those mediocre players too...because North America is obscenely rich. I admire badminton players for playing this sport when the reward is paltry for the effort put in. C$100K for the second ranked player in the world, LCW is barely that of an petroleum engineer in Calgary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie
    Cannot agree with U more that hockey players train very hard and I love Wayne Gretzky having stayed in Edmonton from 1978 to 1988, watched the best hockey ever played (Calgary Flames fans would have something to say about this)....but they are very well compensated for their efforts and that include those mediocre players too...because North America is obscenely rich. I admire badminton players for playing this sport when the reward is paltry for the effort put in. C$100K for the second ranked player in the world, LCW is barely that of an petroleum engineer in Calgary.
    Agreed. I'd say something about the outrageous salaries of North American pros (NFL, MLB, and NBA being probably the worst offenders), but athletes can't do this forever... they have perhaps ten years of high-level international competition in them, at most, and run the constant risk of injury.

    World badminton players cannot realistically be expected to live sufficiently on the salaries they are currently provided (especially in countries where the currency is worth more), and these salaries certainly cannot provide them with a living wage once they retire from the sport.

    And yet, badminton is allegedly the second most popular sport in the world! The disparity is appalling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westwood_13
    It certainly is more difficult in terms of reaction time. However, though as much practice is required and more danger is involved, I'd say it's less grueling, since the machine and it's construct is worth 90% of your results, the rest being reaction time and knowing what to do when.

    Of course, being an ecofreak, I'm rather biased against F1 as it seems (to me) to be a rather senseless use of a lot of fossil fuels, materials, and research that could be committed to more useful applications. Is watching cars go in circles around a track really that interesting? Perhaps I just don't get it.

    I like that badminton seems somewhat more sustainable, heh, not to mention trains the mind, body, reflexes, and requires an incredible amount of everything... mental toughness, precision, endurance, strength. Although I admit that the disposability of the shuttles, not to mention the fates of the birds with which they are made, is rather depressing.
    you really under-estimate the physical and mental ability that a F1 driver must have to race
    if you ask me, an F1 drivers mental health is unrivaled to any sport in the world

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgao_net
    you really under-estimate the physical and mental ability that a F1 driver must have to race
    if you ask me, an F1 drivers mental health is unrivaled to any sport in the world
    even skeleton?

    I certainly don't have the mental toughness to speed down ice facefirst without being able to see the (highly variable) track ahead of me.

    Although I seem to be contributing to off-topic-ness, oops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgao_net
    you really under-estimate the physical and mental ability that a F1 driver must have to race
    if you ask me, an F1 drivers mental health is unrivaled to any sport in the world
    Agree, one mistake in F1 or Indy could be fatal. I have a hard time accepting FI, and even golf (where some players are really not fit) as sports. Can someone confirm for me that ball room dancing is an olympic sports, I heard it was once proposed but not sure if it becomes an Olympic event. Now, Ireally get a lot of flak for mentioning golf...hahahaha! lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler
    for the asian game, half of zero is still zero (if i'm right).
    i'm sure chinese players would get something for winning a gold but i'm sure no where near taufik's official 51K plus other non official incentives.
    You are right.
    Officially, each AG gold medal equals to RMB30,000 (US$4,000), announced by the national sports beauru. Gold medalists will get extra bonus from provincial sports beaurus, ranging from RMB 30,000 to 100,000. But the prize may be shared by their coaches. Poor guys and gals.

    OG bonus can be tens or hundreds times better, if you take the following-on contracts into account.

    It is understandable considering the huge number of medals in each AG even OG. If every championship was awarded a new house, we will run out of land very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanofans
    You are right.
    Officially, each AG gold medal equals to RMB30,000 (US$4,000), announced by the national sports beauru. Gold medalists will get extra bonus from provincial sports beaurus, ranging from RMB 30,000 to 100,000. But the prize may be shared by their coaches. Poor guys and gals.

    OG bonus can be tens or hundreds times better, if you take the following-on contracts into account.

    It is understandable considering the huge number of medals in each AG even OG. If every championship was awarded a new house, we will run out of land very soon.
    i was referring to prize money from the tournament itself. I didn't see winners holding any checks on the podium. The bonus from OG, AG and WC come from outside the tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananaboy
    I feel sorry for the fact that:

    500 millions rupiah = 51,000 US dollars...
    it nothing to be sorry about the currency....
    if you want to talk about currency then you should no longer exclud General Income per capita, National Income, and the other minor factor that needs to be consider.

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