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    Thanks for the information, i hope that he will send the rackets soon. 8 days and counting. =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by chongkiatz View Post
    wow....is that amazing?? i should give it a try......did u own VH1800...how it compared to this racket??
    No , dont own any VH range , cant stand the sight of having a hollow shaft and just dont like the idea at all. the L70 is a more powerful racket than the T200 , here is my rating for the top APACS rackets

    L70

    Feel 8.5/10
    Control 8/10
    Power 9.5/10
    Defense 8/10
    Maneuverability 7/10
    Overall 8/10

    Comment : Nice power , but lack that sharpness required in MD - an ideal singles racket. An excellent all round racket nevertheless

    AMP95

    Feel 7/10
    Control 7/10
    Power 10/10
    Defense 6/10
    Maneuverability 5/10
    Overall 7/10

    Comment : An excellent attacking racket not so much in defensive-wise , strong wrist required to bring the most out of this beast.

    T200

    Feel 10/10
    Control 9.5/10
    Power 9/10
    Defense 9/10
    Maneuverability 9/10
    Overall 9.5/10

    Comment : A brilliant racket ! One of my favorite of all time and currently my-go-to-racket , even the legendary NS9900 need to take a bow and move aside.
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    hi all, i have a stern 200, is it a high end racket in apacs range?

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    Can any1 compare the lethal 50 to lethal 60/70? From what I heard, lethal 60 and 70 are the same, just targeted to different markets Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuzent View Post
    hi all, i have a stern 200, is it a high end racket in apacs range?
    Yes, stern consider high end series in APACS, but 200 if not mistaken is not woven, so it will not effectively produce the power of the racket, but still a very good racket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatever001 View Post
    Can any1 compare the lethal 50 to lethal 60/70? From what I heard, lethal 60 and 70 are the same, just targeted to different markets Thanks
    Lethal 60 is the most quality report fault racket in APACS, it is powerful but so far there are many broken case, so i dont really want to comment this racket.

    Lethal 50 is good, powerful to do smashing and also quite balance, giving 8/10 on the rackets.

    Lethal 70 i have no chance to try yet because no frens own it, but heard from the review is lighter than L60 but do generate the same decent power for L70, you can go to the shop and try it out, should be there already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by staiger View Post
    No , dont own any VH range , cant stand the sight of having a hollow shaft and just dont like the idea at all. the L70 is a more powerful racket than the T200 , here is my rating for the top APACS rackets

    L70

    Feel 8.5/10
    Control 8/10
    Power 9.5/10
    Defense 8/10
    Maneuverability 7/10
    Overall 8/10

    Comment : Nice power , but lack that sharpness required in MD - an ideal singles racket. An excellent all round racket nevertheless

    AMP95

    Feel 7/10
    Control 7/10
    Power 10/10
    Defense 6/10
    Maneuverability 5/10
    Overall 7/10

    Comment : An excellent attacking racket not so much in defensive-wise , strong wrist required to bring the most out of this beast.

    T200

    Feel 10/10
    Control 9.5/10
    Power 9/10
    Defense 9/10
    Maneuverability 9/10
    Overall 9.5/10

    Comment : A brilliant racket ! One of my favorite of all time and currently my-go-to-racket , even the legendary NS9900 need to take a bow and move aside.
    Ya, very much agreed on the reviews, haha, by the way, i also fans of T200 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loneboy62 View Post
    Yes, stern consider high end series in APACS, but 200 if not mistaken is not woven, so it will not effectively produce the power of the racket, but still a very good racket.
    is it ? do you know what is the woven ?

    then how come Yonex never used any woven ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by loneboy62 View Post
    Ya, very much agreed on the reviews, haha, by the way, i also fans of T200 as well.
    Me too. I sold my ARC10 in favour of my ZELM PP9990 (more powerful) and the T200 (faster). I know this is an APACs thread but if you have access to the ZELM PowerPlay 10000, that is faster and more powerful than the T200.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maa2003 View Post
    is it ? do you know what is the woven ?

    then how come Yonex never used any woven ???
    I might not be good knowledge on this, but i tried to explain to you what i knew so far.

    Old age, badminton racket is built by light metal material, so when you carried those rackets, it is heavy and need more wrist power to hit the shuttle. Then come to about 8 years old from you, people created something called "Carbon" to replace the metal, so this carbon is great as well because it does able to generate the same power as what the previous version had.

    So nowadays, carbon racket is everywhere and become popular because it is light, can be stiff, control well on the racket, most of the manufacture use it. Woven, is another kind of quality actually. It is lighter than carbon in theoretically and it is more latest material use for racket manufacture. I don't think current woven can generate the same power for what carbon can do, so nowadays those woven racket they are combined carbon and woven to make the racket lighter to increase the efficiency.

    They are some other manufacture use woven effectively like RSL, APACS only have one, Yonex won't do that because Yonex racket usually is more heavy compare to other brand, this is just the little knowledge i knew about it, if it is wrong, hopefully someone can correct me to avoid wrong knowledge to others.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wuzent View Post
    hi all, i have a stern 200, is it a high end racket in apacs range?
    yes , my review was only base on the racket I owned , and I have not been able to get hold of any Stern rackets in the uk.

    weeyeh , so is not Zelm 10000 nothing like the zelm powerplay 9900 , because that is not a quick racket by no mean..I really have to check out the powerplay 10000, been hearing alot of good reviews .

    Loneboy62 , thats a nice history about how Woven got into badminton racket, it is a reinforce material to strengthen the carbon shaft of the racket making it stiffer and stronger. someone said on the forum woven can also make the shaft brittle as it does not tolerate much stress thus durability is an issue...I ahve not tried any woven rackets ever so I dont know much about them !
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    Quote Originally Posted by loneboy62 View Post
    I might not be good knowledge on this, but i tried to explain to you what i knew so far.

    Old age, badminton racket is built by light metal material, so when you carried those rackets, it is heavy and need more wrist power to hit the shuttle. Then come to about 8 years old from you, people created something called "Carbon" to replace the metal, so this carbon is great as well because it does able to generate the same power as what the previous version had.

    So nowadays, carbon racket is everywhere and become popular because it is light, can be stiff, control well on the racket, most of the manufacture use it. Woven, is another kind of quality actually. It is lighter than carbon in theoretically and it is more latest material use for racket manufacture. I don't think current woven can generate the same power for what carbon can do, so nowadays those woven racket they are combined carbon and woven to make the racket lighter to increase the efficiency.

    They are some other manufacture use woven effectively like RSL, APACS only have one, Yonex won't do that because Yonex racket usually is more heavy compare to other brand, this is just the little knowledge i knew about it, if it is wrong, hopefully someone can correct me to avoid wrong knowledge to others.

    thanks for trying to explain what is woven ....

    do you know that actually woven is also carbon ?
    woven is not material but it is a method.
    racket is made by carbon layer which is made by carbon fiber (also known as Carbon graphite), it is an extremely thin layer of carbon, so one of the method to make a carbon layer so-called woven, it is as like pre-weaving of string, but it uses carbon fiber.

    (being an engineer in this field made me know what is woven)

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    Quote Originally Posted by maa2003 View Post
    thanks for trying to explain what is woven ....

    do you know that actually woven is also carbon ?
    woven is not material but it is a method.
    racket is made by carbon layer which is made by carbon fiber (also known as Carbon graphite), it is an extremely thin layer of carbon, so one of the method to make a carbon layer so-called woven, it is as like pre-weaving of string, but it uses carbon fiber.

    (being an engineer in this field made me know what is woven)
    So does it mean that woven method is better than conventional carbon design? Is it stronger and more durable? what about the weight to achieve the same strength as conventional carbon design?

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    Quote Originally Posted by staiger View Post
    weeyeh , so is not Zelm 10000 nothing like the zelm powerplay 9900 , because that is not a quick racket by no mean..I really have to check out the powerplay 10000, been hearing alot of good reviews
    Nope.. very different from the 9990 except they are both fantastic in their own forte.

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    stern 200 have woven in the shaft only, stern 300 have woven in shaft and frame.
    But what i saw is the frame and shaft on my stern200 are similar, look like have woven inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maa2003 View Post
    thanks for trying to explain what is woven ....

    do you know that actually woven is also carbon ?
    woven is not material but it is a method.
    racket is made by carbon layer which is made by carbon fiber (also known as Carbon graphite), it is an extremely thin layer of carbon, so one of the method to make a carbon layer so-called woven, it is as like pre-weaving of string, but it uses carbon fiber.

    (being an engineer in this field made me know what is woven)
    Got IT, actually i thought woven is the material of clothes quality because according to english dictionary, it is used for the purpose.

    And today finally i knew that woven is still carbon fiber, thought it is kind of different quality stuffs because it is really lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wuzent View Post
    stern 200 have woven in the shaft only, stern 300 have woven in shaft and frame.
    But what i saw is the frame and shaft on my stern200 are similar, look like have woven inside.
    I hold both racket on hand, without swing it, i totally cannot feel any diff, while I'm trying to swing the rackets, i found that stern 200 is not able to generate the same power as what stern 300 did, so it meant that 300 do generate more power by the same swing from me. However, 200 also do have advantage over the 300, while doing return from back hand, it is better distance with the similar strength from wrist, this is just what i feeled when i hold for both of the rackets, but personally like about 300 because it is still lighter but same power produced as 200, but please do not compare to tatrum 200 because that is head heavy racket and this is not.

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