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**ssj100** · 04-15-2011, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by sxg2009

I think APACS G2 is too narrow. Often I need to wrap an overgrip or PU grip on top it. Is this true for others? This increases overall weight by 6-13gm and changes the balance point.

I used to dislike narrower grips, but now I prefer them. Just a matter of getting used to it I think. By the way, what are the approximate balance points of your Lethals and Tantrums (after gripping and stringing)?

**ssj100** · 04-15-2011, 05:19 PM

By the way, I just want to clarify a few specs with the Tantrum 300 and Lethal 70. If you look across the internet, the specs for these 2 amazing rackets are quite varied!

Anyway, I actually have them both physically in my hand right now, and here are the specs on the shaft:

Lethal 70:
Weight: 88-90g
Balance: 290+/-5
Flex: 7.5
Max Tension R.S.T: 35 pounds

Tantrum 300:
Weight: 88-90g
Balance: 285+/-5
Flex: 7.5-8
Max Tension R.S.T: 35 pounds

Does anyone know what R.S.T stands for?

EDIT:
And just to remind everyone of the estimated balance points following stringing and gripping of my Lethal 70 and Tantrum 300:

Originally Posted by ssj100

Tantrum 300: 288-290mm
Lethal 70: 292-294mm

Seems to be within spec, which is nice to see, even after stringing and gripping. In fact, it's very nice to see that they are both on the head heavy side of the spectrum, since I am more of a head heavy player.

**demolidor** · 04-15-2011, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by ssj100

Seems to be within spec, which is nice to see, even after stringing and gripping. In fact, it's very nice to see that they are both on the head heavy side of the spectrum, since I am more of a head heavy player.

So how do you know they were on spec before stringing and gripping?

Or have you measured it earlier? Based on your description earlier I've just read I'd say that Lethal 70 is on the headlight side maybe even under spec ... when unstrung and factory grip. Both actually ...

R.S.T. - Really Shouldn't Try

**ssj100** · 04-15-2011, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by demolidor

So how do you know they were on spec before stringing and gripping?

Or have you measured it earlier? Based on your description earlier I've just read I'd say that Lethal 70 is on the headlight side maybe even under spec ... when unstrung and factory grip. Both actually ...

R.S.T. - Really Shouldn't Try

I suppose I'll never know what spec they were before, because the rackets came already strung and I've now removed the original grips. Regardless, the Lethal 70 is definitely more head heavy than the Tantrum 300, as per my previous descriptions. The Lethal 60 I currently own was the big surprise, since I've measured it to be more on the head light side (with my string/grip).

Anyway, perhaps I'm not measuring the balance points correctly? Can someone describe to me how exactly they personally measure balance points? I want to know what they actually balance it on etc.

I think R.S.T = Recommended String Tension

Regardless, specs don't matter as much as how you feel the racket plays in your hand. Seriously, I can't wait to use the Tantrum 300 again! I'm also going to work on my Lethal 70 a bit more - I suspect I need to change my smashing technique a little to reap the full benefits of a very stiff shaft and a 293mm balance point (with my string/grip). I thought the Lethal 60 would be identical to it, but as per my previous descriptions, its balance point comes in at about 281mm (with my string/grip) - 12mm difference!

**sxg2009** · 04-15-2011, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by ssj100

By the way, I just want to clarify a few specs with the Tantrum 300 and Lethal 70. If you look across the internet, the specs for these 2 amazing rackets are quite varied!

Anyway, I actually have them both physically in my hand right now, and here are the specs on the shaft:

Lethal 70:
Weight: 88-90g
Balance: 290+/-5
Flex: 7.5
Max Tension R.S.T: 35 pounds

Tantrum 300:
Weight: 88-90g
Balance: 285+/-5
Flex: 7.5-8
Max Tension R.S.T: 35 pounds

Does anyone know what R.S.T stands for?

EDIT:
And just to remind everyone of the estimated balance points following stringing and gripping of my Lethal 70 and Tantrum 300:

Seems to be within spec, which is nice to see, even after stringing and gripping. In fact, it's very nice to see that they are both on the head heavy side of the spectrum, since I am more of a head heavy player.

The sp. for T300 is identical to T200! I am still having hard time to play with T200, the racket is definitely not for hard hitters.
How the warring about racket wrapping is written in your T300?

**Calvin789** · 04-15-2011, 11:44 PM

What the? T300 R.S.T 35lbs???

**Vicky Chips** · 04-16-2011, 12:26 AM

Recommended Stringing Tension.

EDIT: That would be the max recommended :P

**ssj100** · 04-16-2011, 12:36 AM

Originally Posted by sxg2009

The sp. for T300 is identical to T200! I am still having hard time to play with T200, the racket is definitely not for hard hitters.
How the warring about racket wrapping is written in your T300?

Yes, I also have the bad grammar on the racket. Don't worry, it is genuine.

Perhaps the racket doesn't suit your style/technique? I am getting very powerful smashes with the Tantrum 300. Keep in mind it is quite a stiff racket (not quite as stiff as the Lethal) and also slightly head heavy. This means that you should be able to get quite a lot of power from it.

What is the balance point for your Tantrum 200? I'm talking about the balance point right now (with string/grip) for your own personal Tantrum 200.

I remember reading somewhere where someone was writing about the Lethal 70 being a pretty bad racket, and he mentions that the balance point only comes up at the start of the shaft. This sounded ridiculous - how can the balance point of a racket be at the start of a shaft? Surely the apacs quality control can't be that bad?

Anyway, I'm very happy with my Lethal 70 + Tantrum 300 purchase.

**txv611** · 04-16-2011, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by sxg2009

The sp. for T300 is identical to T200! I am still having hard time to play with T200, the racket is definitely not for hard hitters.
How the warring about racket wrapping is written in your T300?

Personally find the t200 slow to whip. Probably due to the heavy weight.

**staiger** · 04-16-2011, 11:05 AM

Lets talk abit of sense here lol ; whoever said the t200 is not for hard hitter must be playing at professional level with smash speed of 140mph+ which I truly doubt he is. The balance , weight , and the stiffness of that racket is made for aggressive attacking hard hitting player. One of my colleague is playing at county level who is nationally ranked in the top20 and in his own word he said ''This is a f*ckin beast of a racket you got here'' strung to 27lbs to be precise with BG65 . and I can say that his smashes were extremely hard. another point is that this racket would be hard to whip if you dont have the wrist strength

**ssj100** · 04-16-2011, 09:49 PM

Originally Posted by staiger

Lets talk abit of sense here lol ; whoever said the t200 is not for hard hitter must be playing at professional level with smash speed of 140mph+ which I truly doubt he is. The balance , weight , and the stiffness of that racket is made for aggressive attacking hard hitting player. One of my colleague is playing at county level who is nationally ranked in the top20 and in his own word he said ''This is a f*ckin beast of a racket you got here'' strung to 27lbs to be precise with BG65 . and I can say that his smashes were extremely hard. another point is that this racket would be hard to whip if you dont have the wrist strength

Completely agree. I am actually getting more power with the Tantrum 300 than the Lethal 70. However, I suspect this is because the Lethal 70 is more stiff and much more head heavy - I'm confident I will be able to adapt to it though. Good to have two different excellent rackets anyway, as back-up for my Lethal 60.

**Calvin789** · 04-17-2011, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by Vicky Chips

Recommended Stringing Tension.

EDIT: That would be the max recommended :P

So i can put 30 lbs on T300 with no problem?

**sxg2009** · 04-17-2011, 01:19 AM

Originally Posted by staiger

Lets talk abit of sense here lol ; whoever said the t200 is not for hard hitter must be playing at professional level with smash speed of 140mph+ which I truly doubt he is. The balance , weight , and the stiffness of that racket is made for aggressive attacking hard hitting player. One of my colleague is playing at county level who is nationally ranked in the top20 and in his own word he said ''This is a f*ckin beast of a racket you got here'' strung to 27lbs to be precise with BG65 . and I can say that his smashes were extremely hard. another point is that this racket would be hard to whip if you dont have the wrist strength

@ Staiger - You already mentioned in BC " Both Tantrum 200/300's are not very aerodynamic ..". My point is exactly the same - T200 is not aerodynamic. I think I was not able to make a meaningful comment for you. For hard hitters I think the that the racket should be aerodynamic. This will help the player to maintain his playing style without getting fatigue. I am talking about common regular players, not tournament / professional players! How many professional players do have time to reply in this forum? I am sure you know the answer, so why you put pointless questions about it have subsequently have doubts!!

**ssj100** · 04-17-2011, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by Calvin789

So i can put 30 lbs on T300 with no problem?

Yes that's correct.

**Calvin789** · 04-17-2011, 07:08 AM

Originally Posted by ssj100

Yes that's correct.

ok.. is there any racket better than T300 like EdgeSaber series?

**sxg2009** · 04-17-2011, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by ssj100

Yes, I also have the bad grammar on the racket. Don't worry, it is genuine.

Perhaps the racket doesn't suit your style/technique? I am getting very powerful smashes with the Tantrum 300. Keep in mind it is quite a stiff racket (not quite as stiff as the Lethal) and also slightly head heavy. This means that you should be able to get quite a lot of power from it.

What is the balance point for your Tantrum 200? I'm talking about the balance point right now (with string/grip) for your own personal Tantrum 200.

I remember reading somewhere where someone was writing about the Lethal 70 being a pretty bad racket, and he mentions that the balance point only comes up at the start of the shaft. This sounded ridiculous - how can the balance point of a racket be at the start of a shaft? Surely the apacs quality control can't be that bad?

Anyway, I'm very happy with my Lethal 70 + Tantrum 300 purchase.

I am just curious why these Tantrums ( my T200 is from Malaysia & Tantrum light Exclusive is from Canada and your recent T300), which are purchased from different places/sources has the same error. I have other rackets from APACS and the grammar is correct.
My T200 has become a balanced one. I do not have a tool for precise measurements.
No doubt T200 can generate lots of power. But for somebody who wants to fearlessly execute smashes one after another (I call them hard hitters), the T200 will be a difficult racket. People who broadcast that they are above average and others are amateurs got it totally wrong and thought I am bad mounting about Tantrum.

**ssj100** · 04-17-2011, 02:35 PM

Originally Posted by sxg2009

I am just curious why these Tantrums ( my T200 is from Malaysia & Tantrum light Exclusive is from Canada and your recent T300), which are purchased from different places/sources has the same error. I have other rackets from APACS and the grammar is correct.
My T200 has become a balanced one. I do not have a tool for precise measurements.
No doubt T200 can generate lots of power. But for somebody who wants to fearlessly execute smashes one after another (I call them hard hitters), the T200 will be a difficult racket. People who broadcast that they are above average and others are amateurs got it totally wrong and thought I am bad mounting about Tantrum.

Not sure about the grammar issue. By the way, I've also noticed that the grommet construction for the Tantrum 300 does not have "single pass" grommet holes to create more holes (or at least not as many as the Lethal 60/70).

That's interesting that your T200 is "balanced". Perhaps my T300 will be more "balanced" once I replace the grip with a slightly thicker one - the current grip is too thin (and tough/rubbery) for my liking.

With regards to power generation, different rackets will be different for different people. A racket which is "hard hitting" for one person may not be for another. For example, I can consistently generate more power with the apacs Lethal 60/70 and Tantrum 200/300 than anything Yonex offers. Of course, if you spend enough time "adapting" to a racket you find "difficult", you may surprise yourself.