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**ssj100** · 04-28-2011, 02:26 AM

The Lethal 90 and 100 are both stated to have "internal muscle power" frames.

**van de nan** · 04-28-2011, 02:42 AM

Originally Posted by ssj100

The Lethal 90 and 100 are both stated to have "internal muscle power" frames.

some sort of like that but the function is diff..the muscle frame main function according to yy is to eliminate stress-load and fatigue ie the string and frame are close and have tighter contact..for the "internal muscle power" a.k.a inside wave as claimed by victor is more like enlargement of sweetspot and stability..

**ssj100** · 04-28-2011, 02:51 AM

Where exactly is the muscle power frame in this picture:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...1&d=1236345420

**van de nan** · 04-28-2011, 03:26 AM

between the gromets..see carefully the wave construction..my t200 dont have that =)

**ssj100** · 04-28-2011, 03:30 AM

I think I can see it now. However, apacs has never listed that the T200 has the "muscle power frame" right? I'm just checking my T300 and Lethal 60/70, and I can't see any "muscle power frame".

EDIT: seriously though, I can't really convince myself that there are waves in that T200 picture - it looks more like a trick of the light. I can see it more clearly on the Visible Hollow 1800 (scroll down to last picture):
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...=1#post1658754

**van de nan** · 04-28-2011, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by ssj100

I think I can see it now. However, apacs has never listed that the T200 has the "muscle power frame" right? I'm just checking my T300 and Lethal 60/70, and I can't see any "muscle power frame".

EDIT: seriously though, I can't really convince myself that there are waves in that T200 picture - it looks more like a trick of the light. I can see it more clearly on the Visible Hollow 1800 (scroll down to last picture):
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...=1#post1658754

maybe this guy got lucky coz he got a special edition or one of a kind edition one =)

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...-and-AMP95-(MY)

**ssj100** · 04-28-2011, 03:57 AM

I'm very doubtful that the "muscle power frame" makes any difference to the overall effectiveness of the racket. Do all Yonex and Victor rackets have this "muscle power frame"?

**van de nan** · 04-28-2011, 04:01 AM

Originally Posted by ssj100

I'm very doubtful that the "muscle power frame" makes any difference to the overall effectiveness of the racket. Do all Yonex and Victor rackets have this "muscle power frame"?

I dont really care so much about it..just want to know how many person do got their t200 with this kinda frame =) ..performance wise some top racket do have this structural tech called muscle power frame..look at Li ning n50,YY ti 10, Apacs AMP, Fleet tank power and many others but not all

**ssj100** · 04-28-2011, 04:07 AM

Well, clearly the "muscle power frame" was deemed inferior for the Tantrum series, hence why it was removed in the Tantrum 300 and perhaps in later Tantrum 200 rackets? We can only speculate I suppose. The Lethal 60/70 are amazing rackets and they don't have this "muscle power frame".

**van de nan** · 04-28-2011, 04:30 AM

Originally Posted by ssj100

Well, clearly the "muscle power frame" was deemed inferior for the Tantrum series, hence why it was removed in the Tantrum 300 and perhaps in later Tantrum 200 rackets? We can only speculate I suppose. The Lethal 60/70 are amazing rackets and they don't have this "muscle power frame".

I heard about the L60/70 was amazing but I havent tried it coz I prefer even balance racket like t200..by the way, the mp frame does not determine a racket to be a very good racket..its just a tech added to a racket for some purpose and people have diff opinion regarding to its effect..i kinda like Mp frame coz it looks tough regardless of any brands, =) haha

**ssj100** · 04-28-2011, 04:38 AM

I think the T200 is actually more of a slightly head heavy racket.

**van de nan** · 04-28-2011, 04:54 AM

Originally Posted by ssj100

I think the T200 is actually more of a slightly head heavy racket.

BP difference among same racket model is a wide topic to be discuss as lots of factor contributing to it from QC to our own feel towards the racket we used.

**ssj100** · 04-28-2011, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by van de nan

BP difference among same racket model is a wide topic to be discuss as lots of factor contributing to it from QC to our own feel towards the racket we used.

That's quite true. I personally feel the Tantrum 300 is slightly less head heavy than the Lethal 60/70.

**van de nan** · 04-28-2011, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by ssj100

That's quite true. I personally feel the Tantrum 300 is slightly less head heavy than the Lethal 60/70.

I dont know how T300 should feel but i really think that L60/70 should be head heavier than tantrum series..My opinion would be:

tantrum 200/300:Arcsaber:Bravesword series in one group
L60/70:Armortec:Superwave series in one group

just my opinion in terms of grouping not performance

**GaryC** · 04-28-2011, 08:01 AM

They come with the 1g coin thing and a 4g coin thing. Going again to play tonight to get a better feel.

So far I like the Lurid Power 21 > Lurid Power 23 > Lethal 70 > Lurid 21 > Slayer 99

I'm going to order another racquet, what's the difference between the Tantrum 300 and the Visible Hollow 2020?

Originally Posted by ssj100

Exactly how heavy are the changeable "weights"? The fact that the "feel went away and wasn't noticeable" (when actually playing) is exactly what I would think should happen - your fingers/hand are acting as the fulcrum, and when you actually swing the racket and hit the shuttle, any shift in balance point (in this specific scenario) will be (almost) negligible.

Also don't forget that by switching the changeable "weights", you are also changing the overall heaviness of the racket. In this scenario (where you're changing the weight directly at the base of the racket), I'm not really sure how exactly it changes the overall effectiveness of the racket.

**Willi@m** · 04-28-2011, 08:16 AM

The T200 with Muscle Power Frame was the 1st batch ever produced. After that, no more......

**ssj100** · 04-28-2011, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by GaryC

They come with the 1g coin thing and a 4g coin thing. Going again to play tonight to get a better feel.

Again, I doubt 3g at the handle is going to make significant difference to the effective balance point. On the other hand, 3g extra at the head of the racket would certainly make it effectively more head heavy.

Originally Posted by GaryC

So far I like the Lurid Power 21 > Lurid Power 23 > Lethal 70 > Lurid 21 > Slayer 99

You've mentioned the Lurid Power 21 twice! By the way, apacs says that the Lurid Power 21 and 22 are for beginner to intermediate levels, while the 23 is for intermediate to advanced levels. From the specs, I think this is because the 21 and 22 are both medium-high flex, while the 23 is low flex (stiff).

The Lethal 70 and Slayer 99 are both low flex too.

Originally Posted by GaryC

I'm going to order another racquet, what's the difference between the Tantrum 300 and the Visible Hollow 2020?

I'd be careful purchasing the Visible Hollow 2020, as not much is known about it. Keep in mind that the Tantrum 300 is also a fairly stiff racket, though not quite as stiff as the Lethal 70.