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    Hey guys, I just moved to a new city to train with a really good coach. I have heard that he is easily the best in Canada. I was wondering what others thought about who the best coach in Canada is? I know ppl from Vancouver will agree that it is NOT C.H. Anywho, hope to hear from you soon!

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    Ooo I dunno, a bunch of good canadian tops are coaching at the Elite centre in Calgary and Toronto.. Keith Chan... Charmaine Reid.. both really good..

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    However, being a good player doesn't necessarily make you a good coach. For example, Ardy Wiranata was a champion (as I'm sure most here know) but from what I've heard, his coaching isn't great, and his between game coaching is terrible.

    I have to say that from my experience, my coach at the Royal Glenora is one of the best, if not the best, coaches in Canada. I've never been coached by someone even similar to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaOfDoom
    However, being a good player doesn't necessarily make you a good coach. For example, Ardy Wiranata was a champion (as I'm sure most here know) but from what I've heard, his coaching isn't great, and his between game coaching is terrible.
    that is correct imo, best players often than not don't make great coaches, and vice versa. Did yang yang head coached for MAL at one time? Also morten frost did a stint in MAL and south africa. Ex pro Misbun for MAL too. Zhao jinhua coached in SG(correct me on this one). Nothing much came out of those. Yet, Li Mao, not a big name player, is doing wonder for MAL MS team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler

    that is correct imo, best players often than not don't make great coaches, and vice versa. Did yang yang head coached for MAL at one time? Also morten frost did a stint in MAL and south africa. Ex pro Misbun for MAL too. Zhao jinhua coached in SG(correct me on this one). Nothing much came out of those. Yet, Li Mao, not a big name player, is doing wonder for MAL MS team.

    That's quite true for a lot of sports, as the lengendary players become so-so or even horrible coaches. I think that might due to the great players have too much expectation in the younger generation, or too much talent in themselves. Therefore, if they use their own success to guard the relatively "ordinary" players, it could back fire.

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    i heard ardy is a pretty good coach, haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael-Lam
    i heard ardy is a pretty good coach, haha
    what protegee(s) or potential protegee(s) in canada under his belt so far haha
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    I've heard from my friend who have been coached by him during matches that his advice is along the lines of "go faster" and "hit harder." Not very helpful during a match, IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cooler
    what protegee(s) or potential protegee(s) in canada under his belt so far haha
    ummm avish makol? most of the other jr players don't train the NETC

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaOfDoom
    I've heard from my friend who have been coached by him during matches that his advice is along the lines of "go faster" and "hit harder." Not very helpful during a match, IMO.
    hjaha maybe he doens't like your friend

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    LoL, could be, could be. He also had Alex Pang under his belt until he quit...

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    Ahhh poor Alex. He finally realized that he couldn't beat people purely on talent. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard! Kinda like Chris Lee and Alvin at the VRC Summer Tourney. Haha...Alvin just wanted it more and was in much better shape Anywho...I'm wondering what you guys can tell me about Keith Anton. He's an amazing coach, I've never worked with anyone better and I've done stuff with Ardy and Calvin Holoboff and some pretty damn good coaches. But Keith is defiantely an odd duck, what does everybody know about him? I need some background info on the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by black_knight006
    Ahhh poor Alex. He finally realized that he couldn't beat people purely on talent. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard! Kinda like Chris Lee and Alvin at the VRC Summer Tourney. Haha...Alvin just wanted it more and was in much better shape
    Do you even know what you're talking about?

    Alex Pang was probably one of the HARDEST working players when he was still playing. From MY sources, he did an IBF training camp and felt he wasn't able to compete with the rest of the world, so THAT's why he quit. Also, he had a few injuries too.

    How do you know Alvin was in better shape? Did you give both of them a fitness test before their match? Did you ever consider that Chris used to win the 15 point system matches? With relative ease too. Wouldn't that make him a little more fit? Cuz from what I know, that's his style of play: he runs you down. BUT WAIT, we're playing 21 point RALLY point system. He's got a limited number of rallies to play now. So don't you think Alvin had a little more advantage? And Alvin wanted it more? What's that supposed to mean? Did Alvin scream more? Did he smash and go beserk or something? Maybe Chris just plays a more passive style than Alvin, ever think of that? There's really no way of telling, is there?

    From what I know, neither athlete trained very much in the summer. Also, since it IS the off season, nobody probably played their best that tournament. So, from what I know, the match was pretty even, except that Chris had to adapt to a different style of singles due to the point system change. It didn't really surprise me that Alvin won.

    So next time, why don't you think a little bit longer before you spew out your "words of wisdom"... cuz you know, your words lose so much more credibility now. Oh wait, we're on the internet... guess I'll never learn

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    Quote Originally Posted by towbsss
    Do you even know what you're talking about?

    Alex Pang was probably one of the HARDEST working players when he was still playing. From MY sources, he did an IBF training camp and felt he wasn't able to compete with the rest of the world, so THAT's why he quit. Also, he had a few injuries too.

    How do you know Alvin was in better shape? Did you give both of them a fitness test before their match? Did you ever consider that Chris used to win the 15 point system matches? With relative ease too. Wouldn't that make him a little more fit? Cuz from what I know, that's his style of play: he runs you down. BUT WAIT, we're playing 21 point RALLY point system. He's got a limited number of rallies to play now. So don't you think Alvin had a little more advantage? And Alvin wanted it more? What's that supposed to mean? Did Alvin scream more? Did he smash and go beserk or something? Maybe Chris just plays a more passive style than Alvin, ever think of that? There's really no way of telling, is there?

    From what I know, neither athlete trained very much in the summer. Also, since it IS the off season, nobody probably played their best that tournament. So, from what I know, the match was pretty even, except that Chris had to adapt to a different style of singles due to the point system change. It didn't really surprise me that Alvin won.

    So next time, why don't you think a little bit longer before you spew out your "words of wisdom"... cuz you know, your words lose so much more credibility now. Oh wait, we're on the internet... guess I'll never learn
    well said toby~

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    Quote Originally Posted by black_knight006
    Ahhh poor Alex. He finally realized that he couldn't beat people purely on talent. Hard work beats talent if talent doesn't work hard! Kinda like Chris Lee and Alvin at the VRC Summer Tourney. Haha...Alvin just wanted it more and was in much better shape Anywho...I'm wondering what you guys can tell me about Keith Anton. He's an amazing coach, I've never worked with anyone better and I've done stuff with Ardy and Calvin Holoboff and some pretty damn good coaches. But Keith is defiantely an odd duck, what does everybody know about him? I need some background info on the guy.
    When Pang was training he would be training three times a day. Alex was probably the most committed player I've ever trained with when he was training. Pang was in amazing shape and achieved amazing shape at a very early age, something very hard to do! Pang had to work hard to get to where he was at. The reason he quit was because he would have had to stay at the training center in Saarbruuken to qualify for the 08 Beijing Olympics and he wasn't gauranteed to do that! For the amount he trained then being told that he wasn't gauranteed to qualify even at the IBF training center, thats big and would make any player question why they play ESPECIALLY if they put in half as much as Alex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eurasian =--(O)
    When Pang was training he would be training three times a day. Alex was probably the most committed player I've ever trained with when he was training. Pang was in amazing shape and achieved amazing shape at a very early age, something very hard to do! Pang had to work hard to get to where he was at. The reason he quit was because he would have had to stay at the training center in Saarbruuken to qualify for the 08 Beijing Olympics and he wasn't gauranteed to do that! For the amount he trained then being told that he wasn't gauranteed to qualify even at the IBF training center, thats big and would make any player question why they play ESPECIALLY if they put in half as much as Alex.
    It's definitely a lost for Canada that Pang had decided to quit badminton! Isn't it about time to query about the system of BadCan that why we can't produce any Olympic players for 2008 and onwards? Pang was absolutely lost and disappointed when he came back from the training in Saarbruuken. To top up with that, BadCan had provided no assistance and guideline as to how and which int'l tournaments that he should compete inorder to achieve points for his world ranking. Here, in Canada, one can travel and compete as much tournaments as you want.........until you have outstanding results......then you will be reconized by BadCan! But how much time and money can a player saved if only some assistance can be provided by BadCan and that's the least they could have done. I believe there are other players out there who might come across the same situation over the years and they are now Senior players. Think of it in 5 years.......most of our member in our Senior Team in Canada will be 30 years old and a few are even over 35. Let's be practical in the World's level as to how much can an athlete achieve at this age? I remember 6 years ago, the level of play for the Australian, Peru, Mexican and U.S. team are way below the Canadian....but from the recent results of the Pan Am and some Int'l tournaments, I can see Canada is falling way behind. To import and accept foreign coaches is definitely one of the solution but to stay close and being fair in the politics of BadCan plays the major factor that non of our Canadian players is caring for our future and to give a chance for our youngsters to make Canada proud!

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilcat
    It's definitely a lost for Canada that Pang had decided to quit badminton! Isn't it about time to query about the system of BadCan that why we can't produce any Olympic players for 2008 and onwards? Pang was absolutely lost and disappointed when he came back from the training in Saarbruuken. To top up with that, BadCan had provided no assistance and guideline as to how and which int'l tournaments that he should compete inorder to achieve points for his world ranking. Here, in Canada, one can travel and compete as much tournaments as you want.........until you have outstanding results......then you will be reconized by BadCan! But how much time and money can a player saved if only some assistance can be provided by BadCan and that's the least they could have done. I believe there are other players out there who might come across the same situation over the years and they are now Senior players. Think of it in 5 years.......most of our member in our Senior Team in Canada will be 30 years old and a few are even over 35. Let's be practical in the World's level as to how much can an athlete achieve at this age? I remember 6 years ago, the level of play for the Australian, Peru, Mexican and U.S. team are way below the Canadian....but from the recent results of the Pan Am and some Int'l tournaments, I can see Canada is falling way behind. To import and accept foreign coaches is definitely one of the solution but to stay close and being fair in the politics of BadCan plays the major factor that non of our Canadian players is caring for our future and to give a chance for our youngsters to make Canada proud!
    Lots of valid points. Often, national players have to pay their own way to play oversea tournaments.

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