Hendra A. Gunawan/Joko Riyadi

**Trang** · 03-07-2007, 06:30 PM

They're out of the AE ..

**badMania** · 03-07-2007, 06:41 PM

AG/Joko seem to have problems with European pairs. They have now lost again in the early round....

**Trang** · 03-07-2007, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by badMania

AG/Joko seem to have problems with European pairs. They have now lost again in the early round....

I've noticed that too. They also haven't done well in the Superseries so far.

**ctjcad** · 03-07-2007, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by badMania

AG/Joko seem to have problems with European pairs. They have now lost again in the early round....

...i haven't seen much of their games/matches, but i noticed when playing against European pairs, many INA MD pairs/players do have some difficulties. Mental/experience is one thing. But I think to have any success against those European players, one must be able to attack and kill off the shuttle right off @ the onset and/or @ the earliest chance(s) & control the net by minimizing lobbing/lifting the shuttles a lot. Doing the latter means basically one is exposing one's self to a lot of smashes, esp. playing against those tall & lanky Europeans....And it's even more of an adventure if one doesn't have enough defense to counter those..

**Trang** · 03-08-2007, 07:01 AM

Originally Posted by ctjcad

...i haven't seen much of their games/matches, but i noticed when playing against European pairs, many INA MD pairs/players do have some difficulties. Mental/experience is one thing. But I think to have any success against those European players, one must be able to attack and kill off the shuttle right off @ the onset and/or @ the earliest chance(s) & control the net by minimizing lobbing/lifting the shuttles a lot. Doing the latter means basically one is exposing one's self to a lot of smashes, esp. playing against those tall & lanky Europeans....And it's even more of an adventure if one doesn't have enough defense to counter those..

I've seen them play against Clark/Blair and Eriksen/Lundgaard at the Copenhagen Masters - Riyadi/Gunawan won the matches but it's hard to define what their problems are. Basically, I've no idea why they lost the german and polish couple

not that these couples are bad at all .. I haven't watched Riyadi/Gunawan's games in the Super Series but it hasn't been good so far. If I ought to point something out, it would be that they have to work on their flexability .. Hendra just can't play the net !

**ctjcad** · 03-08-2007, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Trang

I've seen them play against Clark/Blair and Eriksen/Lundgaard at the Copenhagen Masters - Riyadi/Gunawan won the matches but it's hard to define what their problems are. Basically, I've no idea why they lost the german and polish couple

not that these couples are bad at all .. I haven't watched Riyadi/Gunawan's games in the Super Series but it hasn't been good so far. If I ought to point something out, it would be that they have to work on their flexability .. Hendra just can't play the net !

..thanks for your input, Trang

...Actually the first & only time i ever saw them play live was in 2005 Singapore Open(in QF round, i believe; i forgot who they played against but i think they lost). At that time, i believe they were starting to get their feet wet, as a pair, playing in higher starred tourneys. Only thing i remember from their match was that, their playing level was just not up to par(as they mostly did lots of rallies with your usual lifts & smashes, not much variations). On top of that, they weren't consistent. Now, i don't know how much they've changed ever since that tourney, but in short, they didn't catch my attention...Anyways, IMO, whatever they are lacking, they have to learn to adapt and somewhat change their playing tactics, esp. when playing European or Asian pairs..

**Trang** · 03-09-2007, 04:31 AM

I've got a link here : http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymqyzyg1wn .
That is the final match in CPM '06.

I don't know how they played before at that time you saw them play, but variation is what I think they have to work on. Easier said than done, but they are really good with the flat play and also Joko does a very good job at the net, while Hendra smash' are good from the backline - but they need that extra consistensy to win their matches.

**ctjcad** · 03-09-2007, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by Trang

I've got a link here : http://www.mediafire.com/?2ymqyzyg1wn .
That is the final match in CPM '06.

I don't know how they played before at that time you saw them play, but variation is what I think they have to work on. Easier said than done, but they are really good with the flat play and also Joko does a very good job at the net, while Hendra smash' are good from the backline - but they need that extra consistensy to win their matches.

..IMO, those are keys when playing against European players/pairs..another aspect is shuttle placement(s)..(i'm mentioning all these cos i've been watching Tony Gunawan played live for sometimes now both against European as well as Asian pairs/players)..hehe

**yannie** · 03-09-2007, 08:12 PM

I'm in All England right now. Hendra AG is so nice. They lost early, but still went to watch some matches.. Hendra is good friends with Malaysian players like Zakry, Lin Woon Fui, Gan Teik Chai etc.

**meiying** · 03-11-2007, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by yannie

I'm in All England right now. Hendra AG is so nice. They lost early, but still went to watch some matches.. Hendra is good friends with Malaysian players like Zakry, Lin Woon Fui, Gan Teik Chai etc.

and ong soon hock as well?

**yannie** · 03-12-2007, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by meiying

and ong soon hock as well?

LOL.. OSH damn funny, his hair has changed *wf. All players gone crazy in Casino in Birmingham.

**yannie** · 03-19-2007, 01:37 PM

Another pic from Copenhagen Masters 2006

**yannie** · 03-26-2007, 07:38 PM

Grill them, cuz lost so early. Mad!

I can see Singapore double's coach - Chafidz Yusuf, Taufiq Akbar and Hendri Saputra sitting next to each other behind them. Hahaha.

Joko and Hendra
All England 2007