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    Quote Originally Posted by ants View Post
    Every time they say Olympics is the main goal. That comes once in 4 years. Weird. Wake up guys!
    its always a way that malaysian management culture
    aim for something far far away
    can get more money into pocket
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    malaysian tend to forget easily

    remember wawasan 2020? its a concept of 28/2/1991
    last year they say we will bankrupt in 2019
    lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Agree... At tournaments, when we get a LD-vs-LCW match, we find when coming out onto the court, LD would march out with full of confidence. OTOH, LCW would softly walked in (showing less confidence).

    Just watching their body languages, it's not a surprise that LCW would not win the match.

    IMHO, LCW needs his coach and BAM to tell him that he is better than LD.
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    What happens if LCW lost again?

    Will your encouragement help or place him in greater mental confusion/torture?

    In the end will it totally destroy him psychologically if he was not able to beat LD in subsequent matches?

    Will it make LCW completely lose his confidence and self-belief such that his performances deteriorates to a point when he starts to lose to lower-rank players?

    Will it not be better to recruit the specialist services of mental and other coaches to help him overcome his diffidence of LD progressively?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    What happens if LCW lost again?

    Will your encouragement help or place him in greater mental confusion/torture?

    In the end will it totally destroy him psychologically if he was not able to beat LD in subsequent matches?

    Will it make LCW completely lose his confidence and self-belief such that his performances deteriorates to a point when he starts to lose to lower-rank players?

    Will it not be better to recruit the specialist services of mental and other coaches to help him overcome his diffidence of LD progressively?
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    You are thinking;
    To be the BEST in the world, one MUST win.

    I am thinking;
    To be the BEST in the world, one stays on top (Officially, World ranking-wise).

    Currently, LCW is ranked World No.1; But looking at the body language he expresses, he doesn't appear to believe that he is World No.1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    That's how TXH tried to boost up LD's confidence. And I like it.
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    Yes, and on the topic of courtside involvement and tactics, I'd really like to hear TSB or whoever sits there shout angrily to LCW between every point, "Break his legs!"

    His coaches have to learn how to get more proactively involved and infuse energy into their man on court, instead of just sitting there like sage wise men and nodding like those dolls in windows or whispering and smiling knowingly.

    LCW needs positive energy coming strongly from his corner. He needs clear direction from someone who can always dictate the course of the next 5 points, observe, analyse and break through opposition action and strategy; not sanctimonious, namby-pamby, wishy-washy mumbo-jumbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    You are thinking;
    To be the BEST in the world, one MUST win.

    I am thinking;
    To be the BEST in the world, one stays on top (Officially, World ranking-wise).

    Currently, LCW is ranked World No.1; But looking at the body language he expresses, he doesn't appear to believe that he is World No.1.
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    Yes, there is no doubt LD believes in himself... he firmly believes he is better than LCW.. he firmly believes he is the best badminton player in the world (possibly ever)..

    his belief is based on reality... it is based on clear and convincing records...

    how can LCW overcome this? how???

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    IMHO, there are a lot of areas to cover for BAM & LCW's coach to enable LCW take OG2012 Gold Medal home.
    First, LCW need to be fresh, fit & at his peak at the whole tournament.
    Second, BAM & LCW's coach need to set up a special & hard training regime to get LCW on his peak physically & mentally.

    Put that aside, there is another wall that they all have to face in order to seal up OG Gold medal, that are game tactics & ability to set up several scenarios in case LD changes his game play, and i am sure LD will change his game play if he needs to.

    Just like cobalt have said on previous post, there are 2 coaches sitting at the corner inspecting LD VS LCW & quickly set up scenario for LD to tame LCW, if needed, although i believe they have done their homework well.
    IMO, there are not only 2 coaches who are inspecting LCW VS LD game, in fact i believe back at CBA headquarter several coaches & LD will sit up together discussing point per point in every game, analyzing it, listed down current advantages & disadvantages and finally came up with some game play to again defeat LCW & this will be done numerous time. CBA does not want to win only, they want to dominate, that's why extra preparation & hard work are needed.

    At last, there are a lot of areas that BAM & LCW' s coach need to cover. I have to say all the best to LCW, i want him to seal OG Gold Medal..

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    With due respect,cobalt, I totally disagree with your interpretation. LCW is not stagnating. He is suffering from the cumulative effect of fatigue, mentally and physically, of successfully reaching the finishing line in 9 tournaments , more than any MS. LCW has pushed himself out of the comfort zone many times. How can he be WR1 for more than 3 years if he hasn't? Do you think badminton is a sissy sport? No wonder Americans laugh at badminton as a sport. Give your sport some respect. Every time I read about you guys describing about LCW s mentality, I feel sorry for the sport. What you don t realize is you are indirectly telling outsiders badminton can be excelled by the mentally weak. It is not possible for a WR1 of more than 3 years to be mentally weak but mentally fatigued, yes. Remember Djokovic? He was blitzing so many tournaments that he lost to only two players but in the Barclays Finals, he was crashing out. Do they describe him as mentally weak? No. They just recognized he s suffering from cumulative fatigue. The human body is not a machine and needs recovery after prolonged peak performance. LD has the best support system in the world. LCW has mediocre, sometimes sabotaging, support set up. Yet LD has lost to LCW 8 times. Talking about coaches. What can TSB offer LCW during play except encouragement? Why are LD s coaches prompting him during play? To help LD remember the well rehearsed script put together by the coaches and AAA support system, that s why! LCW has no script. He just gotta do it more or less impromptu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonc108 View Post
    Once a player is on court, he is on his own... Resources were only the build up part.Take the latest Man United loss in ECL to the small club Basel, resources-wise, Basel is never comparable to ManU, but their players played with confidence and desire, even admitting that they are the underdog...Even this is what their coach told them to do, it is the player's character to upkeep the desire on court, if u lapse, u collapse. It couldn't help even wih the coach (like Ferguson) yelling on courtside..
    Do you really think LD just turn up and play against LCW without intensive preparations beforehand? LD never prepares for any other MS that s why he plays shaky sometimes. He only prepares exclusively for LCW. So does CL, or for that matter CJ. That s 3 against 1, get the idea? That s how great LCW is!

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    Glad to know this thread is continuing to grow day by day.. so popular day by day..
    407 pages already, with #6922 posts, and around 610,257 views.. wow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    You are thinking;
    To be the BEST in the world, one MUST win.

    I am thinking;
    To be the BEST in the world, one stays on top (Officially, World ranking-wise).

    Currently, LCW is ranked World No.1; But looking at the body language he expresses, he doesn't appear to believe that he is World No.1.
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    But seriously, how can one remain on top without winning?
    And how can one be the best in the world without winning consistently?

    That was why I posted earlier that LCW's WR1 ranking may be in danger of being overtaken by LD before OG 2012. And CL is also trying hard to remain on top by hoping to beat LCW and LC more times.

    That's why right now we are more concerned that LCW has lost three times to LD in a relatively short space of time. That's why we are dissappointed that LCW and his coaches do not seem to have the answers to LD's arrogance and confidence. And if things persist as currently, the hope for LCW and Malaysia to win its first Olympic gold will be shattered and it willl remain only a pipe dream.

    Will a hopeful encouragement like "you are better than LD" make any difference? I think we need something more concrete for LCW to succeed - to WIN!
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    uncle loh,no worry
    ld and cl will take care of cj ranking points
    so they wont take over lcw in wr

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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    uncle loh,no worry
    ld and cl will take care of cj ranking points
    so they wont take over lcw in wr
    Are you LYB's assistant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    With due respect,cobalt, I totally disagree with your interpretation. LCW is not stagnating. He is suffering from the cumulative effect of fatigue, mentally and physically, of successfully reaching the finishing line in 9 tournaments , more than any MS. LCW has pushed himself out of the comfort zone many times. How can he be WR1 for more than 3 years if he hasn't? Do you think badminton is a sissy sport? No wonder Americans laugh at badminton as a sport. Give your sport some respect. Every time I read about you guys describing about LCW s mentality, I feel sorry for the sport. What you don t realize is you are indirectly telling outsiders badminton can be excelled by the mentally weak. It is not possible for a WR1 of more than 3 years to be mentally weak but mentally fatigued, yes. Remember Djokovic? He was blitzing so many tournaments that he lost to only two players but in the Barclays Finals, he was crashing out. Do they describe him as mentally weak? No. They just recognized he s suffering from cumulative fatigue. The human body is not a machine and needs recovery after prolonged peak performance. LD has the best support system in the world. LCW has mediocre, sometimes sabotaging, support set up. Yet LD has lost to LCW 8 times. Talking about coaches. What can TSB offer LCW during play except encouragement? Why are LD s coaches prompting him during play? To help LD remember the well rehearsed script put together by the coaches and AAA support system, that s why! LCW has no script. He just gotta do it more or less impromptu.
    I've no argument with you; but I wonder if you realise that you've just concurred with a few of my points, in your post?
    My line about "stagnation at the top" was meant to indicate that though he has reached the top of the ranking and remained there for such a long time (a huge achievement!) he has not taken his knowledge/ability/domination to the next and final level, where he can deal with the menace of LD (and now CL) and where he has demonstrated his achilles heel.

    Please do not be under the impression that Americans laugh at the sport, or do not give the sport the respect it deserves. It would be presumptious of anyone to jump to conclusions about this, or indeed of their true provenances. It is precisely my abiding interest and love for the sport itself that makes me intensely moved by the performances of the players, and of the administration and organisations.

    Your point about the human body, cycles and such is taken, but has never been disputed to begin with! On the other hand, you have also noted the lack of top-class support/infrastructure and proactiveness in the LCW camp. Why does he have to left to his own devices/judgement (impromptu?) when he should by rights have the best team backing him up? Who is to blame for this balls-up? What are the concerned people doing about it?

    Of course, if you are indirectly telling me that its none of my business because I am not based in that part of the world and have no real concept of what it takes there, I will happily back right off this thread. But you also need to appreciate that we are equally appreciative of great sportspersons regardless of their country of origin or representation, and we are equally concerned about improper application. On this forum, at least.

    Frankly, I find myself turning more often to reflect on the appropriateness of the verse of one of the greatest living poets, immortalized in one of his songs. I wonder how many people would appreciate it in the present context.

    ”And you who philosophize disgrace and criticize all fears
    Take the rag away from your face
    Now ain't the time for your tears.”

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    To Cobolt,

    I think you misunderstand my premise, which is not that I think LCW or any badminton player for that matter is not striving to be the best badminton player he/she can be. My premise is that LCW's fans and supporters have overestimated his ability and place in world badminton. I feel am justified in this conclusion because the HTH between these two is so lopsided, that to say LCW is as good as LD, to me this is not honestly looking at the reality.

    I will ask again, what attribute (speed, strength, mental, anticipation, deception, etc) is LCW better than LD? My opinion is LD is better at most, if not all the attribute we can list, which is why I say LD’s form and motivation is the deciding factor in who wins their encounters, because what kind of strategy can you form against a player who is flat-out better than you in nearly all respects? With the exception of last year’s All England tournament, I think the current HTH proves that when LD wants to win, he usually wins.

    As to your Taufik analogy, if in 2004, 2005, some of 2006 you told me LD was on the same level as Taufik, I would probably have a good case to disagree with you because Taufik had quite handily beating LD in the World Championships and Asian Games and he also won the Olympics, where LD crashed out. Until LD started to consistently beat Taufik, only then would I then have to reconsider if LD is equal or better than Taufik. I would not blame LD for losing to Taufik at that time; I would just think the better player had won. Like when LCW beats PG today, I don’t say PG needs a better strategy, I think LCW is obviously better than PG at this moment.

    I guess if you have more knowledge of BAM and LYB, then fine I will have to take you on your word as I’m not privy to the inner workings of these people and organization. But there is something I want to know, does LCW have no power to influence who his coaches and trainers are, and Bam has complete control over LCW? I find this hard to believe since he basically is the face of Malaysian Badminton and KKK and TBH can change their coach when they aren’t performing well. Or are you telling me Bam or Malaysia does not have anyone capable to train a world-beater class player, which again I think would be hard to believe, giving LCW’s ability to beat everyone except LD and CL. Or your telling me LYB and Xia Xuanze are better managers than TSB? I don’t know how you will prove it, but hey I like surprises!

    Basically what justifies your statement that “in my mind, LCW is a champion, and in pure terms of being a badminton player, every bit as good as LD. “, this is basically what I want to know!
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    according to ttymq, LCW will not compete in next year's INA and SGP open... he will only compete in Korea, Malaysia, All England and Thomas Cup...

    very interesting...

    http://www.ttymq.com/viewnews-20329.html

    i wonder what he will do with his new found free time....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    Do you really think LD just turn up and play against LCW without intensive preparations beforehand? LD never prepares for any other MS that s why he plays shaky sometimes. He only prepares exclusively for LCW. So does CL, or for that matter CJ. That s 3 against 1, get the idea? That s how great LCW is!
    This is the biggest joke I ever heard!!! Looks like LCW is LD's whole life!!!

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