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    Quote Originally Posted by viver View Post
    OneToughBirdie,
    Wish you a good year in 2012, improvements in badminton and all other aspects that matters, especially health.

    I agree with all that you said and I also read LCW's post OG 2008 match interview. As for Tang Xinfu's role, was he there only to control LD's emotions and provide indications on court positioning? If that's the case, what are Tang Xinfu's training methodologies and game philosophy? No improvements in LD's technical aspects after being trained by Tang Xinfu?
    Wish you a happy and healthy 2012 too. I have no idea Tang's training methodolgies and like you, I am anxiously awaiting Chris to enlighten me tooIMO, LD is never a technical player as LCW or TH are. LD game is very simple, not fancy and build on speed, anticipation, power and super fitness/stamina, give LD an opening and he would capitalize. I think Tang knows of LD limitation and Tang's strategy was to train, fine tune and peak that aspects of LD game to make them more potent which LD clearly showed at OLY08 where he outplayed and I would say surprised LCW with his speed and birdie anticipation. There was nothing much that LCW can do that night in Beiging, given that LD was playing his best badminton game of his life in that final. When the match started, you can see Tang hand gestured like reminding LD to stay focus one point at a time.
    If that match was the best of LD, I don't think he can better that as LD is 4 years older this time around, but fortunately for him, the opposition is not that much better and the nearest rival LCW is also 4 years older as well. Just my thoughts on seeing that OLY08 MSF so many times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    Wish you a happy and healthy 2012 too. I have no idea Tang's training methodolgies and like you, I am anxiously awaiting Chris to enlighten me tooIMO, LD is never a technical player as LCW or TH are. LD game is very simple, not fancy and build on speed, anticipation, power and super fitness/stamina, give LD an opening and he would capitalize. I think Tang knows of LD limitation and Tang's strategy was to train, fine tune and peak that aspects of LD game to make them more potent which LD clearly showed at OLY08 where he outplayed and I would say surprised LCW with his speed and birdie anticipation. There was nothing much that LCW can do that night in Beiging, given that LD was playing his best badminton game of his life in that final. When the match started, you can see Tang hand gestured like reminding LD to stay focus one point at a time. If that match was the best of LD, I don't think he can better that as LD is 4 years older this time around, but fortunately for him, the opposition is not that much better and the nearest rival LCW is also 4 years older as well. Just my thoughts on seeing that OLY08 MSF so many times.
    The thing is the one who can bring Lin Dan to his best, allowing him to do what he's good at (in playing badminton of course).

    Its a two way traffic with one controlling and the other performing.

    It's hard to explain this coach and player relationship thing here

    but I am sure most of the time when the thing is around (that would be txf, otb)

    most of you would be able to see a different Lin Dan.

    He plays like he has two minds and he likes every moment of it.

    So satisfied so sure and full of confidence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    LD is never a technical player as LCW or TH
    I have to disagree with this statement! I think you were able to say this about LD during 2005/2006 even some of 2007 but during the run up and post Olympics he has successfully and been consistently executing shots that nobody else would even try. Almost every shot has some form of deception, while still remaining very accurate. I will even say, that LD has the best shots in the game for last few years.

    LCW arguably had the best season of his career and you're telling me that the competition hasn't improved. WoW???

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    The thing is the one who can bring Lin Dan to his best, allowing him to do what he's good at (in playing badminton of course). Its a two way traffic with one controlling and the other performing. It's hard to explain this coach and player relationship thing here but I am sure most of the time when the thing is around (that would be txf, otb)most of you would be able to see a different Lin Dan. He plays like he has two minds and he likes every moment of it. So satisfied so sure and full of confidence.
    I believe Coach Tang was there when LCW stunned LD ( who was full of confidence before the match) in TC08 in Jakarta. The key factor which determines who will be the victor is likely more their preparations. LD has the edge there, with full back up from the coaches ( and teammates) who know their stuff. LCW has coaches that I would call 80% type because they cannot do the remaining 20% homework that s crucial. If LCW does the 20% homework, he will be confident of winning.LCW s strategic flaw is his belief that he has to play his A game throughout a match to win. He does not have to. With his vast experience and all round skills, he has all the weapons to defuse his opponents A game. When he focuses on not allowing his opponents to use their strengths besides attacking their weaknesses, his opponents will lose confidence and have a bad day. This is especially so with dangerous MS youngsters. When LCW plays his A game (which his opponents would obviously train for) and they are able to return his shots, their confidence will grow and if they get into a zone where all their shots work, they can cause an upset. For example, CL s the only MS who can consistently bang down a smash winner from the baseline ( because of his height which is also his liability) and every time he does that, he grows more confident and plays better. If CL has minimal chances of using that weapon, he will feel quite powerless. And any tactics that will maximise his having to bend down to the maximum will take its toll on CL. Of course CL s skills has improved but LCW has the edge in all areas if he prepares for his match more comprehensively and consistently. Most times, his body language is like he just turns up and play. ( the typical MAS attitude of doing things : ' See how lah, if got problem, then problem, if no problem, best lah' )

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1lau View Post
    I have to disagree with this statement! I think you were able to say this about LD during 2005/2006 even some of 2007 but during the run up and post Olympics he has successfully and been consistently executing shots that nobody else would even try. Almost every shot has some form of deception, while still remaining very accurate. I will even say, that LD has the best shots in the game for last few years.

    LCW arguably had the best season of his career and you're telling me that the competition hasn't improved. WoW???
    I still say when it comes to technical, LD is behind LCW and TH. TH and LCW are known for their technical game which when it work is beautiful to watch.
    When it comes to the technical component, I would say LD's fitness (includes stamina), speed, defense, anticipation, power/accurate attack rank far higher than his technical game, and those attributes have made LD a very successful player. Someone in BC once said, LD in the third game has just warmed up and goes to turbo drive, and most players are dead by then.
    I am not saying LD technical game sucks, it is just that TH/LCW is better. LD's defense (I think LD pioneered the diving defense which LCW copied), consistency, attack with precision, fitness/stamina (that is why he is called SuperDan), and the toughest arsenal for anyone to learn that is anticipation (it is a gift), are second to none.
    In OLY08, LCW was LD's obstacle. 4 years later, LCW is still LD main obstacle/competition representing the rest of the world. So where are the rest of the competition unless if you count CL who is from CHN and most probably will be in LCW half, and LCW may not even get to the final.
    OLY in the past has highly charged competition, this coming OLY12 besides LCW and CL, who else to challenge LD, the competition is weaker and Datuk is also 4 years older too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    The thing is the one who can bring Lin Dan to his best, allowing him to do what he's good at (in playing badminton of course).

    Its a two way traffic with one controlling and the other performing.

    It's hard to explain this coach and player relationship thing here

    but I am sure most of the time when the thing is around (that would be txf, otb)

    most of you would be able to see a different Lin Dan.

    He plays like he has two minds and he likes every moment of it.

    So satisfied so sure and full of confidence.
    I posted way before that LD respects Thing far more than XXZ, check how LD pay attention to XXZ mumbling advice to him like LD saying, 'who the heck are you to instruct me?' And I totally agree with you that when the Thing is around, LD plays incredible. Maybe that is why because OLY08 was held in CHN and to ensure that LD will win the gold that LYB brought out the Thing. It worked and IMO, LD played the best badminton game in his life. If you look at the body condition of LD in OLY08 and LD recently, LD reverts back to his lean shape, meaning he is getting serious now and to peak at OLY12. LCW would have to get past CL, and even if he did, what mental/physical condition would LCW be in the final. If I bet now, I say LD's gold looks very good. Of course, being an ex-malaysian, I hope I am wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    I still say when it comes to technical, LD is behind LCW and TH. TH and LCW are known for their technical game which when it work is beautiful to watch. ...
    I can agree with you on this, but I think LD is that far behind. XXZ, CH were fast and powerful, but still unable to beat a 'weaker' Taufik.


    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    I posted way before that LD respects Thing far more than XXZ, check how LD pay attention to XXZ mumbling advice to him like LD saying, 'who the heck are you to instruct me?' ...
    That's why I am so interested in Chris-ccc's comments on his training with Tang Xinfu. There must be something that XXZ does not have

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    Quote Originally Posted by viver View Post
    XXZ, CH were fast and powerful, but still unable to beat a 'weaker' Taufik.
    BS*!

    Both XXZ and TH are pretty much even. Not to mention that XXZ and CH were able to beat Taufik during the big matches such as AE2000 and WC2006.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    I still say when it comes to technical, LD is behind LCW and TH. TH and LCW are known for their technical game which when it work is beautiful to watch.
    I'm lost, I have no idea what you are talking about. Being known for technical and actually having technical ability are two different things. My definition of technical is the the ability for a player to accurately make tough/deceptive shots. In that past few years I have seen LD makes incredibility deceptive shot from basically everywhere. He probably has the best clear in the game as opponent have no idea what to do, because he gets great length and height and any reply is easily countered. I've seen him basically play with LCW and CL at the net, which is probably were technical ability is most apparent.

    Like I said pre Olympics, I would say TH was probably the best technical player, but LD is the player to emulate at the moment. I personally have never seen LCW as a technical player, I've seen him as fast player, who is able to steal time away from his opponent to ultimately cause errors or a bad reply.
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    His netting is still bad. His smashes also going out a lot. Need to swing faster and earlier to keep the shuttle sharper.

    He is taking too much risk by aiming at the line. Too 'little' margin of error.

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    Quote Originally Posted by V1lau View Post
    I'm lost, I have no idea what you are talking about. Being known for technical and actually having technical ability are two different things. My definition of technical is the the ability for a player to accurately make tough/deceptive shots. In that past few years I have seen LD makes incredibility deceptive shot from basically everywhere. He probably has the best clear in the game as opponent have no idea what to do, because he gets great length and height and any reply is easily countered. I've seen him basically play with LCW and CL at the net, which is probably were technical ability is most apparent. Like I said pre Olympics, I would say TH was probably the best technical player, but LD is the player to emulate at the moment. I personally have never seen LCW as a technical player, I've seen him as fast player, who is able to steal time away from his opponent to ultimately cause errors or a bad reply.
    You have never seen lcw as a technical player? Speechless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by viver View Post
    I can agree with you on this, but I think LD is that far behind. XXZ, CH were fast and powerful, but still unable to beat a 'weaker' Taufik.

    That's why I am so interested in Chris-ccc's comments on his training with Tang Xinfu. There must be something that XXZ does not have
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    XXZ's experience will soon be as good as TXF's as time goes by.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pjswift View Post
    I believe Coach Tang was there when LCW stunned LD ( who was full of confidence before the match) in TC08 in Jakarta. The key factor which determines who will be the victor is likely more their preparations. LD has the edge there, with full back up from the coaches ( and teammates) who know their stuff. LCW has coaches that I would call 80% type because they cannot do the remaining 20% homework that s crucial. If LCW does the 20% homework, he will be confident of winning.LCW s strategic flaw is his belief that he has to play his A game throughout a match to win. He does not have to. With his vast experience and all round skills, he has all the weapons to defuse his opponents A game. When he focuses on not allowing his opponents to use their strengths besides attacking their weaknesses, his opponents will lose confidence and have a bad day. This is especially so with dangerous MS youngsters. When LCW plays his A game (which his opponents would obviously train for) and they are able to return his shots, their confidence will grow and if they get into a zone where all their shots work, they can cause an upset. For example, CL s the only MS who can consistently bang down a smash winner from the baseline ( because of his height which is also his liability) and every time he does that, he grows more confident and plays better. If CL has minimal chances of using that weapon, he will feel quite powerless. And any tactics that will maximise his having to bend down to the maximum will take its toll on CL. Of course CL s skills has improved but LCW has the edge in all areas if he prepares for his match more comprehensively and consistently. Most times, his body language is like he just turns up and play. ( the typical MAS attitude of doing things : ' See how lah, if got problem, then problem, if no problem, best lah' )
    Of course preparation is crucial for these few top players lcw, ld and cl. Its getting different every tournament for each and every one of them. Unfortunately lcw doesn't have the backup as the china players. How sad but what the heck, it's going to be his last show anyway.

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    I'm a nontechnical casual baddy player and mostly just observe. I'm dumbfounded by this claim as well pbmMalaysia. If lcw is not technical player then what has he been showing us thus far? Not badminton? Circus trick? *faint*

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    Quote Originally Posted by eRa@에라 View Post
    I'm a nontechnical casual baddy player and mostly just observe. I'm dumbfounded by this claim as well pbmMalaysia. If lcw is not technical player then what has he been showing us thus far? Not badminton? Circus trick? *faint*
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    Please don't get upset.

    What that poster sees is not what we see.

    IMHO, LCW's best weapon is his very deceptive smashes (technically, the best of all our current players).
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    Quote Originally Posted by chris-ccc View Post
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    Please don't get upset.

    What that poster sees is not what we see.

    IMHO, LCW's best weapon is his very deceptive smashes (technically, the best of all our current players).
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    Aahhh, a poster you said? Well then, not gonna be upset no more... I know how unreliable those are... Yup, I love watching his deceptive shots. Always managed to make me go agog... gonna go watch the 16 round match now and enjoy observing LCW's technical abilities that some said were just mere speed *pfft*

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    To all the LCW fans, where is LCW "technically" better than LD. It's definitely not at the net! It's definitely not his smash or drives! It's not footwork or clears! At best LCW is a push on some of these items and at worst he is far behind( net, smash, clear). Most of LCW recent deceptive shots have being performed by LD and TH for years now.

    I'm not saying LCW doesn't have good shots, but they aren't astounding and I rarely see his shots completely fool opponent or have them on the wrong foot. LD accomplish this a few times every dozen points.

    All the best players have/(or at least should have) perfect basics, so when I think of technical ability it is to add the extra creativity of disguise, pace, touch. I see this a lot of this in LD's game and I see a more basic game in LCW.

    You can be upset or "speechless", but you haven't even giving me a definition or any reason other than you can't believe someone could say this about LCW. To me the original comment of LD not being a technical player is just as laughable, but at least I give you reasons why and not just say "I can't believe it, LD Jia You".

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