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    Quote Originally Posted by bad's fan View Post

    btw, which one is true? the link i posted before said he got some muscle injury, and then some articles said his old ankle injury comeback, and others said it's thigh?


    and by then, we will see that LIN-LEE kingdom rule the MS world.
    Pls refer :
    "I picked up a thigh injury during training. I wanted to withdraw from the event as it has been a long season and I am really tired but had no choice," said Chong Wei after the match.
    "Lin Dan had the luxury of a six-month break following his gold medal in the Olympics and his marriage but I had to keep playing.
    "I didn't get enough rest and hardly had time to prepare (for the tournament) after my wedding (last month). I also wanted to skip this event to focus on defending my Korea Open and Malaysia Open titles next month."

    Read more: Chong Wei's season over - Badminton - New Straits Times http://www.nst.com.my/sports/badmint...#ixzz2Ewqsx4k9

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    Then came the biggest blow Chong Wei pulled out of the tournament citing a right thigh injury.
    http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.a...149&sec=sports

    and
    Jurulatih, Tey Seu Bock mengesahkan pemain itu mengalami kecederaan paha kanan dan terpaksa menarik diri dari kejohanan.

    Sebenarnya kecederaan itu dialami di Kuala Lumpur namun bertambah parah hingga Chong Wei tidak mampu untuk melompat, kata Seu Bock menerangkan situasi Chong Wei dalam set kedua.
    http://www.hmetro.com.my/myMetro/art...cle/index_html

    Msian press say right thigh, I'll go with them, they have the contact numbers to counter check with the coach and team manager



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    Right hand player uses right foot to launch forward every time

    so possible and a good guess it's his right thigh

    unless injury is not badminton related

    and that would be a bad guess!

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    okay, thank you eaglehelang.

    btw,
    "Lin Dan had the luxury of a six-month break following his gold medal in the Olympics and his marriage but I had to keep playing."


    i don't think take his own vacation with a lot of fines waiting for him at his comeback is a luxury.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad's fan View Post
    okay, thank you eaglehelang. btw,"Lin Dan had the luxury of a six-month break following his gold medal in the Olympics and his marriage but I had to keep playing."[/COLOR]i don't think take his own vacation with a lot of fines waiting for him at his comeback is a luxury.
    .... Don't know why he need to compare with LD on this case, just do what he want....

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    The few newspaper reports and statements by LCW clearly showed ONE THING - he is NOT HIS OWN MAN ... cannot even decide and be firm as to whether he wants to play or not, pay the fine or not ... real puppet of BAM, Yonex and BWF ....

    I suspect Lin Dan just "laughed" at all these organisations and do as he pleases ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by maxout View Post
    The few newspaper reports and statements by LCW clearly showed ONE THING - he is NOT HIS OWN MAN ... cannot even decide and be firm as to whether he wants to play or not, pay the fine or not ... real puppet of BAM, Yonex and BWF ....

    I suspect Lin Dan just "laughed" at all these organisations and do as he pleases ...
    PUPPET? *roll eyes* your statement clearly shows ONE THING - IGNORANCE.

    For most of us working for other people, are we puppets to our bosses for having to do as they/our companies expected/instructed? and even when we are working our own business, are we a puppet to our barriers when we are made to give in to those... Perhaps in your point of view... But I disagree...

    There are many circumstances where we just could not do what we wish we could do e.g. you want a longer holiday but your boss keeps insisting you attending all those long-hours meetings etc... and there are other matters need to be put into consideration before making a decision, and despite that we may even make mistake...it's how life works...and that is basically PREDICTABLE... thus, why I could understand this kind of situation LCW's in and share my empathy, although 'inconsiderates' don't. And that is just, sad...

    Please don't go easily 'puppet-ing' people and be a judge of whether he is or he is not his own man. It's just so unnecessary.

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    In your context, which I don't disagree then I PITY LCW for being a PUPPET .... instead of critising him for being one, boleh ?


    Quote Originally Posted by eRa@에라 View Post
    PUPPET? *roll eyes* your statement clearly shows ONE THING - IGNORANCE.

    For most of us working for other people, are we puppets to our bosses for having to do as they/our companies expected/instructed? and even when we are working our own business, are we a puppet to our barriers when we are made to give in to those... Perhaps in your point of view... But I disagree...

    There are many circumstances where we just could not do what we wish we could do e.g. you want a longer holiday but your boss keeps insisting you attending all those long-hours meetings etc... and there are other matters need to be put into consideration before making a decision, and despite that we may even make mistake...it's how life works...and that is basically PREDICTABLE... thus, why I could understand this kind of situation LCW's in and share my empathy, although 'inconsiderates' don't. And that is just, sad...

    Please don't go easily 'puppet-ing' people and be a judge of whether he is or he is not his own man. It's just so unnecessary.

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    Puppet?? In what way??? He was the one and still he is the only one who has struggled hard to come up this level in malaysian badminton circuit ,still continuously proving his excellence and brilliance with his fantabulous skills. No other malaysian have ever achieved this feet. So, those who are ignorant would not be able to conceal his skills and achievements easily with their bare hands definitely cannot succeed . He is always free to express his view and a well disciplined person who never disobeyed BWF or BAM in any way. Does it mean he is puppet??. My gosh !!! Do people really want like some other top badminton men's singles player who continuously missing tournaments and paying fines for his absence from his pocket money ????
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    Quote Originally Posted by limsy View Post
    so? lcw or whoever complain wont made what lyb said correct.
    Again, I think your opinion of LYB, CBA or even maybe Justin L clouded your judgement.
    LYB's complaint, LCW's complaint, the amount of top players got injured since SS format is introduced, the amount of players keep playing with minor injuries with the risk of worsening it... Adding everything up, doesn't it imply current BWF SS system, or badminton match format might need fixing?

    What some people keep forgetting is that current match format and BWF schedule are all very new (only about 6,7 years i believe). while i do admit both changes are good for expanding badminton audience as the duration of a match is somewhat controlled for broadcast, and almost every month there are high quality tournaments with world's top players, what wear and tear such intense system can have on players need to be continuously studied.

    Our players are the biggest assets BWF and this sport have, more people should take notice of the too common occurrence of player fatigue, serious injuries, playing with injuries... and if necessary, change the format of badminton match and adjust BWF SS schedules to better suit players' well being. Right off the bat, I think monetary penalty needs to go. It's way too much for many top players or federations, thus forcing them to play with fatigue or even injuries.

    During last night's SSF matches, commentator GC again pointed out that players shouldn't complain about packed schedule because tennis players play 19+ tournaments a year, and their matches are longer. I stated in my previous post that cross sports comparison to tennis on this aspect is invalid, so i won't bother repeat the reasoning. But it surprised me that as a former top player herself, she ignores all the injuries happening over the years, a lot more comparing to tennis. If two sports are comparable in this aspect, then why? Does she think top badminton players r just that weaker, less professional than tennis players? do you?

    My point is, badminton in it's current format is new, and should keep evolving. It feels like BWF is set to make it more popular fast, and demanding a lot, maybe too much out of its players. Us badminton fans, on the other hand, need to pay more attentions to player conditions. After all, they play the sport at highest level, we are just watching it.

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    You guys don't get it, do you ? .... IF LCW wants to compete and play and then if he LOSES then he LOSES - accept that as a gentleman ... stop giving excuses like what he did, his wedding, BWF planned too many games, then compared himself against Lin Dan ... etc etc ... when he gave all those excuses, trying to justify his loss to DPY and trying to elicit sympathies from his die-hard fans like yourselves ... then to me he is just portraying himself as being nothing but a PUPPET (as in a person who cannot decide what is good and bad for himself but blames others when things go wrong) ...

    Just face the FACT that a changing of the guards is HAPPENING NOW ... LD and LCW together with TH and PG era are practically over ....

    The fact that LCW is Malaysia's so-called ONLY BRIGHT HOPE and SUPERSTAR (as Scorpion1 loves to highlight in every post about LCW) IMHO, is a CRYING SHAME FOR MALAYSIA ... for it means Malaysia has NO OTHER CREDIBLE IMMEDIATE challengers in the global competitions ...

    You guys are looking at LCW and today ... I am LOOKING AT POST-LCW and tomorrow ...

    For me, the LCW, LD, TH and PG will always be remembered as the BEST QUARTET from the top nations for the last decade ... time to move on .... 2 have decided to call time, one has gone AWOL and one more is in denial and he is starting to get beaten more frequently now by the new up and coming players ... remember what happened to Taufik in the last 2-3 years, well, it is coming for LCW ...

    If you ask me, if LD quits now, he is smart ...he quits on the HIGH NOTE as the reigning OLYMPIC champion ... no point tarnishing his reputation and legacy for a few more $$$$ and SS titles.

    Honestly, I am expecting to see Chen Long as the World No.1 starting 2013 ... you can see it in his eyes and the determination when he beats LCW in the last HK SS Open was ....

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    Ahh, seems like I forgot it is somewhat directed at limsy. Don't always blame people who complain about BWF schedule and other match rules. While players should always play harder and plan smarter, don't forget the other half of the equation: BWF schedule and rules are not set in stone either, it can be changed, and maybe should be changed. imho, badminton hasn't find that perfect balance point, and it needs to keep evolving.

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    Why can't LCW just say when he loses to CL and DPY - a simple statement, "I lost to a better player today and I will try harder next time" ... PERIOD ... why all the "extra" reasons .... ?


    The part I dislike the most ( although I joked about it ) is when he keeps using his wedding as an excuse ... If it continues, it will be a matter of time before WMC will start to think that LCW is blaming all his recent losses on their wedding !! OOOPPPSSS ....
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    I thought players and their coaches do have some leeway in making choices.

    Indeed for the top players they are obliged to play in certain compulsory tournaments but they can also skip some to avoid fatigue and injury.

    Also as an obligation to their sponsors.

    But in the end, isn't it the responsibility of both the player and the coach to decide on which tournaments they should participate in, taking into account the preparation needed, the rest in between tournaments and the importance of the tournament itself. This is to ensure that the player avoids both staleness and possible injury and doing well to earn ranking points. The word "Periodization" should not be forgotten.

    For the professional player, more tournaments will give them the chance to pick and choose and earn more prize money and ranking points. If he is not in a good playing condition to compete, he should not participate as he is more prone to injury and early-round knock-outs which defeats his objective.

    Now come to think of it, Lin Dan did have some leeway although he seemed happy to be WR2 but eventually secured most of the top titles, including the London Olympics.
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    If he is in top circuit and top class badminton as well as ranking for many years, don't he has that simple liberty to say whatever he thinks..?. Lol.. Ignorant guys. LCW is exactly right in pointing out whatever he had . He was injured and hence he pointed out. Whats wrong in it?? It seems these guys seems not to be pity for his injury but they feel for the reason whatever he says.. Huh.. If you are out for one day and the opponent beats him, does it need to say like" he is better than me".. Lol .. Facts will say the truth who is better .

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpion1 View Post
    If he is in top circuit and top class badminton as well as ranking for many years, don't he has that simple liberty to say whatever he thinks..?. Lol.. Ignorant guys. LCW is exactly right in pointing out whatever he had . He was injured and hence he pointed out. Whats wrong in it?? It seems these guys seems not to be pity for his injury but they feel for the reason whatever he says.. Huh.. If you are out for one day and the opponent beats him, does it need to say like" he is better than me".. Lol .. Facts will say the truth who is better .
    If he is carrying an injury or not fully recovered and continues to play ... there is NO PITY for BEING STUPID to take such risks !!

    Then he is not only a PUPPET, he is a STUPID PUPPET !!

    As for admiting that you lost to a better player ON THAT DAY (you miss this key part, so I bold for you), it is called GENTLEMANLY CONDUCT and SPORTSMANSHIP .... have you heard of them ? Making excuses without acknowledging that you lost to a better player ON THAT DAY is called a SORE LOSER ...

    I bet you are one of those people who will not congratulate and praise an opponent for executing a perfect smash that makes you look like a novice to win the game against you ... if you are, then I have nothing more to say ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh View Post
    I thought players and their coaches do have some leeway in making choices.

    Indeed for the top players they are obliged to play in certain compulsory tournaments but they can also skip some to avoid fatigue and injury.

    Also as an obligation to their sponsors.

    But in the end, isn't it the responsibility of both the player and the coach to decide on which tournaments they should participate in, taking into account the preparation needed, the rest in between tournaments and the importance of the tournament itself. This is to ensure that the player avoids both staleness and possible injury and doing well to earn ranking points. The word "Periodization" should not be forgotten.

    For the professional player, more tournaments will give them the chance to pick and choose and earn more prize money and ranking points. If he is not in a good playing condition to compete, he should not participate as he is more prone to injury and early-round knock-outs which defeats his objective.

    Now come to think of it, Lin Dan did have some leeway although he seemed happy to be WR2 but eventually secured most of the top titles, including the London Olympics.
    What you said do make sense, and more rational response are always welcome.

    On the surface, what you stated is true. Players and federations they belong to can make some choices. But the fact is, when more players to do so, SS will lose some attraction as less top players will attend each event. From BWF point of view, this is a no no. Their priority is to expand the sport and commercialize it as much as possible, eying the success of tennis.

    So, they loaded dice so to speak. "$5000 fine": it's a lot for some top players without big sponsor or rich federation. so, these players tends to play SSP even when they do carries some injuries. "SS and SSP are big and important events for top players": by making so many "big" tournaments, here comes sponsor pressure. It's not easy to get sponsor even for some top players, and many sponsorship requires almost full participation on all major event including all SS baring major injuries. Again, so many major tournaments where sponsors feel like it's their chance to get brand exposure will likely put heavy pressure on player to participate regardless of their condition. I can list quite a few more, but it seems hardly necessary. I stated it before and i will say it again, BWF schedule is one of the reason for so many injuries we see lately, big or small.

    I'm glad you mentioned LD. Don't you think his sucess has a little to do with the fact that he seems to be able to pick and choose events? Say what you will about CBA, but they do pick and choose tournament their players to play in so players peak their conditions at world titles and team event. It is an unique situation because How CBA is run, it's funding source, and its close relation to its major sponsor Lining allowed them to do so. As i stated in another post, i think many top players from other countries would love that kind of support from their federation and sponsors.

    Don't lot of people, even people from this forum stated that, of course LD may be more successful, but look at LCW. He shows up at all SS events and some GPG, he's winning so many of them, so he's much more consistent? fans, sponsors, media want to see their players at event big event. with the new SS system, suddenly there are 10 or so event more than before where fans want to see you, sponsors contract you not to skip, BWF posing big fines if you skip some of them ... Soft and hard pressure, like I said, the dice is loaded.

    Perhaps my post shouldn't be here as i'm concerned about player injuries and fatigue in general rather than LCW's case. and I do think player need to adopt and plan smarter too. But as badminton is in a hurry to full commercialization, I'm afraid many its players will become victims with shortened carrers with major injuries, or never reach their full potential because the are constantly not at their best, and just keep moving from tournament to tournament.

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    LD, LCW, TH, PG, CY and FHF are not young anymore. They have been competing at the top for a very very long time. We, as fans, of course love them. But the truth of the matter is, if they don't retire, young players can't rise to the top.

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