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    There will be only one winner from each match. Why always like to find some non-badminton factors to be the reasons of the loss?
    Aren't these inevitable part of every similar sports (e.g. different levels of opponents in the previous round, different playing time, etc...)?
    The same reason could be used if LD lost. LD lost because:

    (1) BWF suddenly granted wild card to LD (therefore he did not have enough time to train and enter warm-up competitions)

    (2) DPY played LCW in SF (therefore it sharpened LCW due to such a good practice, whilst LD was not used to high intensity competition coz his previous opponents were too weak)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonc108 View Post
    I think DPY lost to LCW in SF because of:

    (1) DPY played 2 more hours than LCW in previous matches (4hrs 45mins vs 2hrs 50mins);

    (2) DPY played a 1hr 15mins gruelling QF whilst LCW had a much easier 31mins match in QF.

    If not, LCW should have lost to DPY in SF....
    Most certainly not. Count how many times DPY won against LCW before....exactly. Once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonc108 View Post
    I think DPY lost to LCW in SF because of:

    (1) DPY played 2 more hours than LCW in previous matches (4hrs 45mins vs 2hrs 50mins);

    (2) DPY played a 1hr 15mins gruelling QF whilst LCW had a much easier 31mins match in QF.

    If not, LCW should have lost to DPY in SF....
    Grow up ! Please open your eyes....

    1 ) LCW vs WZM....purposely lose a straight set for LCW to save his energy against Tommy
    2 ) LCW vs DPY .... DPY's mission was to force a rubber set against LCW and lose it so he'll go to final
    3 ) LD vs CL .... CL's mission was to give a clear path for LD. Can you see it? Nobody can surpass CL in that draw.
    4 ) LCW vs LD ....real fight began !

    * logically, if DPY vs LD in the final match, how much ticket do you think will be sold off ? Compare to if LCW vs LD. Do the math...and also why the hell BWF gave the wild card to LD if LCW will not be facing him?

    * and the cliche part is, if China really wanted to stop LCW in the 1st place, they would put him against DPY and CL before facing LD. So again, do the math....

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    "Put him against" when the draw is done by the bwf, and randomly at that....yeah, you really thought this through. Regarding WZM, what a stupid idea. I mean really, what could they possibly achieve by saving LCW's energy....
    The only match that's suspicious is the LD vs CL one. And given LD's psychological advantage and CL's early loss against Tommy Sugiarto (in the IO), for example, I would tend to believe it wasn't fixed.
    I guess TS also lost easily on purpose? I mean if WZM did it, TS must've done it as well, or the score wouldn't have been so clear.....would it? Face it, man. LCW had no easy matches where he was 'given' a win or where anyone did anything on purpose besides scoring their own points.
    Last edited by j4ckie; 08-14-2013 at 04:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3Series View Post
    Grow up ! Please open your eyes....

    1 ) LCW vs WZM....purposely lose a straight set for LCW to save his energy against Tommy
    2 ) LCW vs DPY .... DPY's mission was to force a rubber set against LCW and lose it so he'll go to final
    3 ) LD vs CL .... CL's mission was to give a clear path for LD. Can you see it? Nobody can surpass CL in that draw.
    4 ) LCW vs LD ....real fight began !

    * logically, if DPY vs LD in the final match, how much ticket do you think will be sold off ? Compare to if LCW vs LD. Do the math...and also why the hell BWF gave the wild card to LD if LCW will not be facing him?

    * and the cliche part is, if China really wanted to stop LCW in the 1st place, they would put him against DPY and CL before facing LD. So again, do the math....
    Wow.. Just WOW!!! you are unbelievably impossible.. As much as I hate to see LCW lose, for you to think of all this??? Wow.. I dont know what else to say..
    I can do the math but can u see the sense in what you said?? Does it make any sense to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j4ckie View Post
    "Put him against" when the draw is done by the bwf, and randomly at that....yeah, you really thought this through. Regarding WZM, what a stupid idea. I mean really, what could they possibly achieve by saving LCW's energy....
    The only match that's suspicious is the LD vs CL one. And given LD's psychological advantage and CL's early loss against Tommy Sugiarto (in the IO), for example, I would tend to believe it wasn't fixed.
    I guess TS also lost easily on purpose? I mean if WZM did it, TS must've done it as well, or the score wouldn't have been so clear.....would it? Face it, man. LCW had no easy matches where he was 'given' a win or where anyone did anything on purpose besides scoring their own points.
    You don't strike me as a fool. You're the one who said DPY lost to LCW due to more playing hours. Now you ask again what would they achieve? My 1st point answered already. And see what happen when TS faced him. There's only 3 hard matches for LCW which is against Rumbaka, DPY and LD. Which I also have a doubt LCW knew DPY will let him win but not with straight set. It's like he's playing along with this drama.

    Quote Originally Posted by yayachico View Post
    Wow.. Just WOW!!! you are unbelievably impossible.. As much as I hate to see LCW lose, for you to think of all this??? Wow.. I dont know what else to say..
    I can do the math but can u see the sense in what you said?? Does it make any sense to you?
    If you don't know what to say, why are you posting an empty post???? Debate with me pls. I appreciate much of your insight as well. It made sense to me since LYB still with China team. Give me your opinion as well regarding points that I've mentioned.

    * I may not have prove to show this 'randomness' isn't exactly as the word describe. But 1 thing I know is that once the draw has came out where LD and LCW isn't in a same group and CL also isn't the same path as LCW, I can already see who's going to play in the final match.

    * Even if CL, WZM and DPY switching places, same drama will goes on which LCW will be facing LD in the end. A not-so-free-pass for LD and LCW met in final. Tickets sold off, channels paid off and both organizer and BWF shaking hands appreciating each other interests.

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    I just couldnt shut my opened jaw when i read your post, thats all. I wanted to show the WOW-ness I felt when reading it. You know, being the 1st and 2nd seed in a tournament will put you at the top and bottom of the draw and they can only meet in the finals? How do you expect LCW and CL to meet earlier? And who buys ticket for the finals match 1hour or 1day before the matches begin? I certainly dont do that in this case, I buy tickets as early as possible to secure a good seat for myself.
    Nvm, the purpose of my previous post is just to express my WOW-ness. Ignore me please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yayachico View Post
    And who buys ticket for the finals match 1hour or 1day before the matches begin? I certainly dont do that in this case, I buy tickets as early as possible to secure a good seat for myself.
    People like me and be open minded because such tickets exist in auctions sale an hour after LCW vs DPY. You, sir , have no idea how much VIP seats cost after that particular match. May be you'll end up dead after hear the price. . Especially the seats that much closer to the court and warm up ground.

    Welcome to the real world, boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    LCW is just a drama guy.... he's always trying to lose in different ways to LD so that his fans keep appreciating him.....

    in WC'2011... he lost in a thrilling 3-game match with 2 match points against LD....
    in OG'2012.... he lost in another 3-game match against LD but with more fist pumps in every point...
    in AE'2013.... he retired with injury when LD was playing too good of a game for him to match....

    this time in WC'2013.... he retire with injury only with LD having match point to spare.....

    it will be interesting to see what he does when he loses to LD in a final of another major next time....
    Quote Originally Posted by M3Series View Post
    I think you should just keep this thought for yourself. It's not quite healthy posting it around this thread
    don't think so.... if we don't mention this .... who knows LCW might suicide before losing or when LD has match point next time.....

    he should learn to keep the drama a bit more to himself .... or something really bad could happen if we don't limit his actions in these high profile matches....

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    Quote Originally Posted by julianng View Post
    don't think so.... if we don't mention this .... who knows LCW might suicide before losing or when LD has match point next time.....

    he should learn to keep the drama a bit more to himself .... or something really bad could happen if we don't limit his actions in these high profile matches....
    is your badminton as good as your comment in bc ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia View Post
    is your badminton as good as your comment in bc ??
    The fact is LCW had cramps and its impossible to play as we all know how
    painful that is. He is 30 years old and was punctured by DPY the day before,
    so fitness gone and 3 setter final vs LD - 1+ 1 always = 2.

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    I really don't understand the issue in this matter. LCW and LD have had a long rivalry, though when you look at the head to head, it is one dominated by LD. LD knows LCW's game very well, and almost always has an answer to it. Sure, LCW might have had major cramping by the end of it, but the fact of the matter is LD takes up residence in LCW's thoughts, and LCW ends up defeating himself often times in their match ups. Just look at how many points he gave to LD by watching birds fall well inside the line, hoping they would be out. I really doubt there was some conspiracy to make sure these two were paired up in the finals. I mean, LD got in on a wild card, probably due to the fact that he was the defending champ. And the way he played certainly showed that he deserved to be there, despite not playing in hardly any tournaments this past year.

    My two cents, I am hardly an expert, but just an observation by one who's watched quite a few videos of their match ups.

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    Of course, now that I think about it, the cramping could have been starting earlier in the match, hence why LCW kept watching those birds fall inside the line..

    And so we're all clear, I am a big fan of both players, and their styles. Which is saying something, as usually I don't enjoy watching singles play, but I do like watching those two!

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    LCW is No1!!!

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    Actually, this WC was a weird one. Both LD and LCW played badly. There were nice exchanges andd excellent shots in their matches, but a great number of stupid mistakes and unforced errors, much more then normally. Since the Olympics, both players have been out of the circuit, LCW less so but he has clearly been less training, as his results showed.
    The only strange thing is the performance of CL. Perhaps a sign of his youth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senior888 View Post
    The fact is LCW had cramps and its impossible to play as we all know how
    painful that is. He is 30 years old and was punctured by DPY the day before,
    so fitness gone and 3 setter final vs LD - 1+ 1 always = 2.
    If Nadal and any other top tennis players said this comment, they must laugh to death... why a top player in this sport could have his fitness gone just by one single match??? This badminton sport must be a laughing stock....

    Personally, I do hope LCW could win at least one WC. He deserves if if from badminton technique and devotion. Yet once again, he just keep himself away from the trophy by his mental and badminton intelligence.

    Ask any pro-tennis player, as a top professional player, you must be prepared to play a whole week of toughest matches under the worst environment (like home court pressure or away court disadvantages). This is a basic for being a pro..

    give me a reason why badminton player is assumed to be like a greenhouse child, not able to take on the storm, heat and other severe weather like players of all other sports??

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    Quote Originally Posted by renbo View Post
    Actually, this WC was a weird one. Both LD and LCW played badly. There were nice exchanges andd excellent shots in their matches, but a great number of stupid mistakes and unforced errors, much more then normally. Since the Olympics, both players have been out of the circuit, LCW less so but he has clearly been less training, as his results showed.
    The only strange thing is the performance of CL. Perhaps a sign of his youth.
    As mentioned by others, it's a weird match because LD has changed his usual attacking style to a more conservative and patient style to match his progressing years, but he's still able to up the pace when he needs to get the job done. Boring to watch, yes, but a necessary adjustment for him to last till Rio 2016.

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