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    Anyone knows how strong are professionals players forearm?Look at shuttlers such as xie xing fang and lee chong wei. So skinny..and XXF forearm is super skinny but she can smash so strong and her overhead backhand clear is good. Even if caught off position she still can clear from base to base. I know their technique is very good but since they train with a squash racket, won't their forearm be very strong or what??but then is there even such a thing called small and strong muscles??

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    1) Yes, their forearms are damn strong
    2) their technique is godly, yes
    3) Explosive muscles are actually really thin, and not bulky, but very powerful.

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    a powerful smash doesn't only come from the arm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athelete1234 View Post
    1) Yes, their forearms are damn strong
    2) their technique is godly, yes
    3) Explosive muscles are actually really thin, and not bulky, but very powerful.
    so how do I get this explosive muscles? will training wif a squash racket help?
    What about doing reverse and normal wrist curls with a 5kdg dumbell for like 50reps and 3 sets? Or more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkai View Post
    so how do I get this explosive muscles? will training wif a squash racket help?
    What about doing reverse and normal wrist curls with a 5kdg dumbell for like 50reps and 3 sets? Or more?

    Hi....

    I've trained in China at BWF Training center for a month and with English No.1 Aamir GHAFFAR for a 4months....I've learned that a powerfull Smash is not all about the power, neither all about the technique, But first you have to make correct your hitting area, position and then it comes to power......And to hit hard you need be very strong physically......your muscles have to be really explosive...no matter if they're not big in size...........I saw chinese players doing dumbells for forearams and wrist with 1000 reps twice or thrice a week. and they would use squash racket for 1000 strokes twice or thrice a week.........But Still Remember that technique is the first thing....................

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    Quote Originally Posted by geebees90 View Post
    Hi....

    I've trained in China at BWF Training center for a month and with English No.1 Aamir GHAFFAR for a 4months....I've learned that a powerfull Smash is not all about the power, neither all about the technique, But first you have to make correct your hitting area, position and then it comes to power......And to hit hard you need be very strong physically......your muscles have to be really explosive...no matter if they're not big in size...........I saw chinese players doing dumbells for forearams and wrist with 1000 reps twice or thrice a week. and they would use squash racket for 1000 strokes twice or thrice a week.........But Still Remember that technique is the first thing....................
    holy crap! 1000 reps...do u noe hw heavy the dumbells are? And those players u saw are make or female??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkai View Post
    holy crap! 1000 reps...do u noe hw heavy the dumbells are? And those players u saw are make or female??
    man i'd like to know this too.

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    size doesnt always mean everything...its due to their muscle fibres...how tight and how fast they twitch. just like runners...the faster you are its because you have fast twitching muscle fibres.

    etc etc they actually probably arnt that physically strong its moreor less technique....i no ppl who are weak as anything but have a killer smash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradmyster View Post
    size doesnt always mean everything...its due to their muscle fibres...how tight and how fast they twitch. just like runners...the faster you are its because you have fast twitching muscle fibres.

    etc etc they actually probably arnt that physically strong its moreor less technique....i no ppl who are weak as anything but have a killer smash.
    Ya their technique is perfect but they are very strong too wad..if not why r the male professionals shuttlers shots more powerful than the female's shots?
    Take a look at this video here, see how Zhang Ning trains and how heavy the barbell is..If im not wrong, I think the barbell is around 15kg altogether and see from 8.08min to 8.34min
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a_gdlEh7O4

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    Quote Originally Posted by bradmyster View Post
    size doesnt always mean everything...its due to their muscle fibres...how tight and how fast they twitch. just like runners...the faster you are its because you have fast twitching muscle fibres.
    Bradmyster is quite right. Your body has two kinds of mucle fibres : fast twitch and slow twitch. I beleive that your msucle fibres can only specialize into one of these. The fast twitch muscles are the ones that generate explosivity, with the lack of endurance. The slow twitch muscles are the opposite - endurance instead of speed. Thats why sprinters, and those guys that run and catch balls in baseball (I'm sorry I dont really follow baseball that much) are not supposed to train slow - becuase if you train slow, you get slow (my training mantra =P). From this you can say that sprinters have more devloped fast twitch fibres, whereas endurance runners have more slow twitch muscle fibers. The part I am not 100% about is the size of the muscles. I do beleive that fast twitch muscles are more tightly corded and sinewy than slow twitch ones.

    To extrapolate this into badminton, what is required in the forearm would then be fast twitch fibres, which I think would be rather tight, and corded, instead of bulky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuetronist View Post
    Bradmyster is quite right. Your body has two kinds of mucle fibres : fast twitch and slow twitch. I beleive that your msucle fibres can only specialize into one of these. The fast twitch muscles are the ones that generate explosivity, with the lack of endurance. The slow twitch muscles are the opposite - endurance instead of speed. Thats why sprinters, and those guys that run and catch balls in baseball (I'm sorry I dont really follow baseball that much) are not supposed to train slow - becuase if you train slow, you get slow (my training mantra =P). From this you can say that sprinters have more devloped fast twitch fibres, whereas endurance runners have more slow twitch muscle fibers. The part I am not 100% about is the size of the muscles. I do beleive that fast twitch muscles are more tightly corded and sinewy than slow twitch ones.

    To extrapolate this into badminton, what is required in the forearm would then be fast twitch fibres, which I think would be rather tight, and corded, instead of bulky.
    May I know how to get this fast twitch fibres and where did you get this info about fast twich fibres??I never heard of them before?

    Take a look at this pictures..their forearm doesn't look strong..but actually it is very strong rite? how do they train them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuetronist View Post
    Bradmyster is quite right. Your body has two kinds of mucle fibres : fast twitch and slow twitch. I beleive that your msucle fibres can only specialize into one of these. The fast twitch muscles are the ones that generate explosivity, with the lack of endurance. The slow twitch muscles are the opposite - endurance instead of speed. Thats why sprinters, and those guys that run and catch balls in baseball (I'm sorry I dont really follow baseball that much) are not supposed to train slow - becuase if you train slow, you get slow (my training mantra =P). From this you can say that sprinters have more devloped fast twitch fibres, whereas endurance runners have more slow twitch muscle fibers. The part I am not 100% about is the size of the muscles. I do beleive that fast twitch muscles are more tightly corded and sinewy than slow twitch ones.

    To extrapolate this into badminton, what is required in the forearm would then be fast twitch fibres, which I think would be rather tight, and corded, instead of bulky.
    Actually, fast-twitch fibres are much larger than slow twitch fibres, and they increase in size with appropriate training, a process called hypertrophy. This is how people who lift weights are able to grow their muscles and runners don't.

    However, there is also another adaptation that comes with training: fast twitch fibres tend to become slower twitch with more training volume. So, some of your prized IIb (fastest twitch) may become IIa (not as fast, better endurance) if you use them regularly. It's because of this that sprinters might sometimes train as infrequently as once a week - they need to conserve their explosiveness for their training sessions and competitions.

    To get back to the discussion on arm size and power, it's important to note that the muscles and their fibre ratios are not the critical factor. Instead, what matters are the signals your nervous system sends to your muscles when it wants them to contract. For instance, let's say you have 0.100 to swing your racquet -> how many of the appropriate muscle fibres actually fire? You want 100% for maximum power. However, even at 100% you also have to:
    a) maximally relax all of the opposing muscles
    b) synchronise the muscle fibres so they all fire at once

    This is known as intra-muscular coordination, which lies somewhere on the line between technique and physique, as opposed to extra-muscular coordination (technique only) and muscular strength (physique only).

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    u can generate alot of power if your technique is good even though you have weak forearms right?

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    [quote=stumblingfeet;1097072]Actually, fast-twitch fibres are much larger than slow twitch fibres, and they increase in size with appropriate training, a process called hypertrophy. This is how people who lift weights are able to grow their muscles and runners don't.

    However, there is also another adaptation that comes with training: fast twitch fibres tend to become slower twitch with more training volume. So, some of your prized IIb (fastest twitch) may become IIa (not as fast, better endurance) if you use them regularly. It's because of this that sprinters might sometimes train as infrequently as once a week - they need to conserve their explosiveness for their training sessions and competitions.

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    So if i understand i should train less often with weights?

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    technique is a critical matter..as what i observed..a lot of muscle not necessary come with power, more important is the flexibility of body and technique that use..too much muscle will decrease the flexibility..our body actually act like a spring, strength is transfer from foot til the racket, as you can observe mostly they will bend their body (jump) and strength release by twice body from right to left and the racket swing from back side according to body twice (or movement) and finally hit the shuttle at the highest point and then wrist work.

    *a typical posture for receive a high serve or smash (static) is,left side of ur body is facing front and right side of your body is facing back,left hand above the level of the shoulder and slightly bend and slightly upward, right hand hold racket close to yourself and below shoulder level and slightly downward, central of body gravity focus on right foot, a scissors jump follow by a swing racket to hit the shuttle at the highest point and then wrist work.*

    you can go watch on youtube for the smash skill...different of the high serve with smash is in the contact point/hitting point

    pls correct me if anything wrong

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    I think if your technique and contact point is correct then most of the power is generated from the swing speed. I have a friend who has no muscles, but his swing speed is faster than mine and he can generate more power than me. Anyone noes any training methods to increase your swing speed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tekkai View Post
    I think if your technique and contact point is correct then most of the power is generated from the swing speed. I have a friend who has no muscles, but his swing speed is faster than mine and he can generate more power than me. Anyone noes any training methods to increase your swing speed?

    because your friend no muscle and body provide a greater flexibility..
    swing speed is coordinate by your body movement, if you stand straight and static, you pull racket from behind, it wont generate lot of power but if you coordinate with your body movement (bend or twist), some power has been generated and waiting you to swing, the problem is how you want to swing and which swing should use???

    is more like a physics, related to kinetic energy...

    at this moment, lots of observation through slow motion of badminton video clip could help you to more understand above swing technique.

    point you need to focus is on:
    jump: how there jump and why there jump like that
    body: how there useful they body
    arm: racket position from ready until stand-by, wrist-work, contact point (must high), position after swing

    as you can see, they flow before hit the shuttle from body, arm, wrist, shuttle, the basic concept is that.
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