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02-11-2007, 12:36 AM #35
hmm, i wonder whos legs he was threatening to break, hehe
02-11-2007, 09:22 AM #36Originally Posted by kwun
How do we know it was well timed?
We don't know if there was a better shot 1/10 or 3 seconds later?
Do we assume that if there was a better shot he would have got it, and he would have published that instead?
[devil's advocate mode=off]
02-11-2007, 12:02 PM #37Originally Posted by Neil Nicholls
02-12-2007, 01:07 AM #38
I just wanna have more discussion on it.
My question is that. Does a decisive moment equivalent to the best visual moment?
02-12-2007, 03:08 AM #39Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
02-12-2007, 05:18 AM #40Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
poor him must be rolling in his grave when he finds out that we are now trying to brute force the decisive moment instead of capturing it with pure intuition and predicting the moment.
02-12-2007, 05:23 AM #41Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
the easier question to answer though, is: "is a best/good visual moment equivalent to a decisive moment?"
and i think the answer is no. our example of a jumpsmash is one. a jumpsmash can be a very nice visually, but most of the time has little significance to it to be considered a "decisive moment"
anyway, back to your original question. maybe we can start with HCD's pics. if we look at the pics of HCD you posted, do they have best/good visual moment?
02-12-2007, 05:30 AM #42Originally Posted by Neil Nicholls
after 2 second, jiang kept the same posture and turned towards me.(picture#2). what do you think? still being counted as the decisive moment of the event?
which picture looks better? meanwhile, which is the real decisive moment?
02-12-2007, 05:44 AM #43Originally Posted by kwun
02-12-2007, 06:20 AM #44Originally Posted by kwun
02-12-2007, 12:38 PM #45
IMHO, in this discussion, the "decisive moment" along with exposure, composition, etc., are all up to what the photographer has in mind before s/he presses down on the shutter trigger. Afterwards, s/he and s/he alone can decide whether s/he's captured it the way she's envisioned it. When we see the picture we can either agree or disagree with her/him.
For instance, HCB's man jumping over a puddle picture. IIRC, as the story goes, he knew exactly what he wanted to capture and waited for quite a long time for the moment he knew would come. And he didn't take only that one frame either, there were others. But, after everything's said and done, he chose the now famous picture to be published presumably because that's the one that fits his vision. If we're lucky enough to see the "rejected" frames, may be we'd find others that we individually like better, that we think have captured the moment better. It wouldn't matter, however, because the photographer's made his choice.
All I'm saying is that, IMHO, the best picture of any particular subject is the one that fits the owner's vision. The owner can be the photographer as normally is the case in the amateur or independent pro. world, or the publication editor in the commercial world, hopefully with some input from the photographer.
02-12-2007, 06:46 PM #46
I agree absolutey with quasimodo. In my view a photographer is trying to tell a story and the defining moment is going to change according to the storyteller. I think that when we are assessing what we want to capture we should be asking ourselves what it is we want our picture to say.
02-13-2007, 06:58 AM #47Originally Posted by Quasimodo
Originally Posted by Quasimodo
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02-17-2007, 11:35 AM #48
so, any conclusion on decisive moment guys? what about this one?
02-17-2007, 07:13 PM #49
That's some Crack Head Trick.
02-17-2007, 08:16 PM #50Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
Honestly, I don't know anything about the decisive moment
02-18-2007, 03:49 AM #51Originally Posted by red00ecstrat
Is it what you were trying to take?
You should have known what would be happening, so it was up to you to
decide what sort of picture to take.
Did you only take the one picture?
or shoot on continuous and picked out that one?
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