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    Default Single is being played like Double?

    Has anyone noticed tat the way of playing single nowadays has changed compared to decades ago? Eddy Chong, Foo Kok Keong they all would lob for hours in a match.......but not anymore, like doubles now, more smashing, attacking, drive, less lobbing and lifting (Lin Dan for instance).....even the service had changed from high to low, which is emulated from the double.

    mayb in another few decades time, we wont see lobs anymore in the single event. (like in a double match, lobbing is almost none to be seen now). The way and strategy of playing single is evolving..........

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    Maybe thats the reason why LCW kept on losing to CHI players? because he played single like single in the past, not like every China players that played single with almost similar strategy to double? maybe we should get rexy to teach single too....

    BAM can save the extra money for not needing hire a single coach then. Maybe Lin Dan benefits alot from LYB's teaching, and as you can see LYB is a double player who is more familiar with double's strategy.

    What do you all think?

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    double strategy ----- fast, accurate, attack and prevent the opponent from having the opportunity to make attacking shots.

    LCW should stop doing all those fancy tricks to lower the rate of making unforced errors..... e.g. double motion tricks can be hardly seen in double. The most efficient shot is to make it as fast and as accurate as possible. (Lin Dan)

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    Default Clearless singles...

    That was sort of how the game was played when the scoring format was changed from 3x15 to 5x7.

    This sort of game play is much more demanding on the players. It also magnified the technical gap between good players and the very best players.

    Most importantly, it made the game very two-dimensional, and consequently very boring to watch.

    Professional players, playing practically at the limits of human performance, can choose to play like this only if they are confident they have the stamina to win a match. Some felt they do, but in reality are more or less drained by the end of the second game.

    In the current 3x21 rally point system, the games are long enough that none of the professional players can play clearless singles (and win in the end, that is).

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheongsa
    In the current 3x21 rally point system, the games are long enough that none of the professional players can play clearless singles (and win in the end, that is).
    comparatively 3X21 rally point system is less exhaustive than the old 3X15 system where a match using the old system can lasts up to 90 minutes. Not to say that it has to be clearless in every match, but to only lift the shuttle when it's neccessary (under pressure), same goes with lobbing.....much much more attacking and less defensive play is what i meant. that's why it is very hard for others to beat Lin Dan....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfa2
    comparatively 3X21 rally point system is less exhaustive than the old 3X15 system where a match using the old system can lasts up to 90 minutes. Not to say that it has to be clearless in every match, but to only lift the shuttle when it's neccessary (under pressure), same goes with lobbing.....much much more attacking and less defensive play is what i meant. that's why it is very hard for others to beat Lin Dan....
    Just an observation: if you compare Lin Dan's games from two years ago (3x15, service point) to his games (3x21, rally point) this year, he appears to be smashing less and less (especially his big jump smashes and round the head smashes on his backhand side), and clearing more and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheongsa
    Just an observation: if you compare Lin Dan's games from two years ago (3x15, service point) to his games (3x21, rally point) this year, he appears to be smashing less and less (especially his big jump smashes and round the head smashes on his backhand side), and clearing more and more.
    i think it has less to do with the NSS but rather LD had evolved (ie. better training) into a mature, smarter and more all around player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheongsa
    Just an observation: if you compare Lin Dan's games from two years ago (3x15, service point) to his games (3x21, rally point) this year, he appears to be smashing less and less (especially his big jump smashes and round the head smashes on his backhand side), and clearing more and more.
    is that so? hmmmm.......mayb u r right, or mayb he's getting old probably. actually if you really calculate the points of new rally points system which is 21 with service over, averagely it will add up to 11 points/game only (more or less like a women's game points in the past). so it's supposed to be less tiring. which also mean one can spend more energy attacking?

    and did u mean overhead smashes when you said "round the head smashes on his backhand side"?
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    I don't think singles and doubles are similar, far from it. Time and space in singles have an entirely different dimension from that in doubles. In singles the winning game is based on hitting the shuttle to the 4 extreme corners at varying heights using a variety of strokes, with the attacking clear in combination with your drops for attack, and control of the net to hobble your opponent's ability to return a good length return so that you can deliver the coup-de-grace. In doubles the first three shots are the most important and the objective is primarily one of executing a shot that will 'force' your opponents to lift.
    In the earlier years you could find singles players playing doubles for their country. The game of singles and doubles have become so disimilar today that singles and doubles players are do not mix.

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    I agree with teenapak

    You rarely use the 4 corners in doubles to win a match. Most of the time it's just attacking at the body or driving

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baderz_Jas
    I agree with teenapak

    You rarely use the 4 corners in doubles to win a match. Most of the time it's just attacking at the body or driving
    You have to divide the four corners by two players in doubles. That works out to two extreme points per player. ALL professional players can handle that comfortably.

    Try half-court singles. The rallies never end, if neither side smashes, and almost never ends, when both sides smash, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheongsa
    You have to divide the four corners by two players in doubles. That works out to two extreme points per player. ALL professional players can handle that comfortably.

    Try half-court singles. The rallies never end, if neither side smashes, and almost never ends, when both sides smash, either.
    hahaa....i think that centre line of the court sometimes makes a good killing spot too, especially when it's really targeted in the middle where both players will rush to get the shot and make mistakes.

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    I can't really agree on single are now more like double. If you look at woman single, players who are in the top 5 are play single as it was.
    BUT with the new 21 point system, many are trying other possibility on finding a new and best way for the new system. Man single does become more aggressive and now with more young blood joining, you see more smashes and drive since they have the energy to attack more. Especially China Team always believe you need to get to the bird fast and being fast to the bird dominate their game plan, that one of the reason you see more drives and smashes during the game and also you see more and more young faces. also China worries with too many new blood, many experiences player have to retire before they hit peak which generate a lot of young players without stable mantel game mind and lack of experiences on handle different type game.

    Anyway different age group has a different style of game play, you can't really say single are more like double but i do believe game plan will start to change in the next few years after we study more on the new 21 point system.

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    Thumbs up great synthesis dranmo

    Quote Originally Posted by dranmo
    I can't really agree on single are now more like double. If you look at woman single, players who are in the top 5 are play single as it was.
    BUT with the new 21 point system, many are trying other possibility on finding a new and best way for the new system. Man single does become more aggressive and now with more young blood joining, you see more smashes and drive since they have the energy to attack more. Especially China Team always believe you need to get to the bird fast and being fast to the bird dominate their game plan, that one of the reason you see more drives and smashes during the game and also you see more and more young faces. also China worries with too many new blood, many experiences player have to retire before they hit peak which generate a lot of young players without stable mantel game mind and lack of experiences on handle different type game.

    Anyway different age group has a different style of game play, you can't really say single are more like double but i do believe game plan will start to change in the next few years after we study more on the new 21 point system.
    great synthesis dranmo

    what i meant when i say "singles are being played more like doubles" is more or less what you have explained here: more attacking and aggressive play......

    "singles are being played more like doubles" is not what i meant literally....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfa2
    Maybe thats the reason why LCW kept on losing to CHI players? because he played single like single in the past, not like every China players that played single with almost similar strategy to double? maybe we should get rexy to teach single too....

    BAM can save the extra money for not needing hire a single coach then. Maybe Lin Dan benefits alot from LYB's teaching, and as you can see LYB is a double player who is more familiar with double's strategy.

    What do you all think?
    Man dats a very good point....so I thinkChristian Hadinata should go coach the singles too....or maybe Rexy can come back to Indonesia n coach us...btw if u see Lin Dan's game there are 2 ppl sitting in there...one is Li yong bo n I dunno who is the other one I think is singles coach

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    maybe KKK should go play single then......

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    The game of badminton is not static. It would be better if we allow a "hundred flowers bloom, a thousand thoughts contend" (from Mao Tse Tung) so that different countries and/or different schools or coaching find different ways of adapting to the new game. How else can you progress if all players follow just one system or method?
    Remember the game of soccer? In my time we had 5 forwards consisting of center forward, inside right, inside left, and two wingers, 3 centres consisting of centre half, right and left halfs, two full backs (yes we called them full backs), and a goalkeeper. Then the flying Dutchmen changed all that in the 1970s with their "total football". Today it is again different. To-morrow will also be different from today. That is adaptation or evolution.
    The same applies to badminton.

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