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    no way a player can be excellent in singles and doubles. if you really play badminton, you cannot adapt to these two events immediately. the playing style is totally diferent. once you are a good double player, you need take a few years to be a good single player. no such thing as immediate success.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaCk™
    no way a player can be excellent in singles and doubles. if you really play badminton, you cannot adapt to these two events immediately. the playing style is totally diferent. once you are a good double player, you need take a few years to be a good single player. no such thing as immediate success.
    Are you talking now or ever? Players who are successful in doubles, XD and singles:

    Li Lingwei (singles specialist in the 80s)
    Han Ai Ping (singles specialist in the 80s)
    Christian Hadinata (doubles specialist in the 70s and 80s)
    Liem Swie King (singles specialist in the 70s and 80s)
    Lene Koppen (singles specialist in the 70s and 80s)
    Gillian Gilks (all rounder in the 60s, 70s and 80s)
    Verawaty (singles specialist in the 70s and 80s)
    Ivana Lie (singles specialist in the 70s and 80s)

    Those players have excelled in singles and doubles (some in mixed doubles as well) and have won major titles in both events with the exception of Christian whom to my knowledge only managed a singles runner up at All England.

    Liem Swie King won 3 AE singles titles, 1 Indonesian Open singles title and 2 Indonesian Open doubles title with 2 different partners. He also excelled in doubles in Thomas Cup partnering with Christian Hadinata which makes at least partnering with 3 different partners in world badminton and done very well.

    Li Ling Wei won 2 singles All England title and 1 AE doubles title partnering with Han Ai Ping (80s) who also won 1 AE singles title. Both of them together also won 1 Indonesian Open doubles title. Li Lingwei also won 3 singles Indonesian Open title.

    Lene Koppen won AE singles title twice, World Championship singles once and World Championships in XD once.

    Gillian Gilks won AE singles title once, AE doubles twice and AE XD title 6 times with multiple partners. She also won silver at the World Championships in singles and XD.

    Verawaty won various major singles (eg World Championship and Indonesian Open), doubles (with Ivana Lie who also won singles titles and XD title with Christian Hadinata at the Indonesian Open) and XD title.

    So your theory that no way a player can be excellent in singles and doubles cannot be backed up by historical facts which shows the opposite.

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    lots of players that failed to achieve good results in MS were tuned into becoming a MD players. Rexy is a good example. Main reason why most player are interested in MS are:

    1) Possibility to be a richer man is higher (price money)
    2) Easier to excel in MS if one is an excellent player. MD takes 2 excellent players to induce a World Champion like Rexy/Ricky. And not just that, communication and symbiosis of the partnership are one of the main factors that will determine the success or failure of that partnership.

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    like CSK n SBK who are both talented MD players but they failed in the partnership because the arising of communication problem......SBK kena bash too KUAT n too OFTEN.....hahaha......

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    yup..there's need for communication and understanding of ur partners in order for u to cover up his weakness and he cover up urs

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabathiel
    Are you talking now or ever?
    So your theory that no way a player can be excellent in singles and doubles cannot be backed up by historical facts which shows the opposite.
    badminton had undergone revolution. today, the speed is faster and require physical strength and stamina. no way a player can play well in two events. we cannot compare liem swee king with taufik hidayat today. doubles requires speed. fu hai feng has powerful smash but his smash will kill himself in singles. his recovery is slow. lin dan has powerful smash but he can't be as good as koo kien kiet in doubles. badminton has changed and now, professional players must choose between singles and doubles in order to be the best in their event. however, exceptions are allow in mix double, men's double and women's double. no way playing in both singles and doubles event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaCkô
    badminton had undergone revolution. today, the speed is faster and require physical strength and stamina. no way a player can play well in two events. we cannot compare liem swee king with taufik hidayat today. doubles requires speed. fu hai feng has powerful smash but his smash will kill himself in singles. his recovery is slow. lin dan has powerful smash but he can't be as good as koo kien kiet in doubles. badminton has changed and now, professional players must choose between singles and doubles in order to be the best in their event. however, exceptions are allow in mix double, men's double and women's double. no way playing in both singles and doubles event.
    I agree with you to be successful today a player must specialise in either singles or doubles because the game has been more demanding. However players like Mia Audina played singles and doubles and did reasonably well. The revolution in badminton that you talked about came a long time ago in the era of Rudy Hartono and Liem Swie King who promoted a game of speed and power. The current players like Taufik Hidayat etc never tried playing doubles so we don't know how they would go but I know Tony Gunawan played singles and doubles representing the US in Thomas Cup qualification and won his games against B grade opponents in the North American region.

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    in short, a world number 1 singles player cannot be the world number 1 doubles player at the same time. a world singles champion cannot be a world doubles champion at the same time. this is a fact TODAY and CURRENTLY. the past is different.

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    not possibly to be both champion at the same time because it takes the fitness of an alien to do it......even tongkat ali essence drink cant help him to recover his between the matches......

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaCkô
    in short, a world number 1 singles player cannot be the world number 1 doubles player at the same time. a world singles champion cannot be a world doubles champion at the same time. this is a fact TODAY and CURRENTLY. the past is different.
    "Cannot" or "is not". How do you know they cannot when nobody has tried yet today?

    How is the past different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabathiel
    "Cannot" or "is not". How do you know they cannot when nobody has tried yet today?

    How is the past different?

    Past and Now, meaning to say the 21 Points n 15 Points difference. Players cannot afford to make so much mistake as for now. Yep, is true Peter Gade (and many other players as mentioned) once excel in both as Single & Double Player. But ask again two Questions :

    (1) How long did they played as a Double Player, &
    (2) Why did they choose to specialise as a Single Player. (or Double Player)

    Only certain players can take the pressure n burden to be both Single & Double Player, which is foreseen by the coach. Otherwise, why wouldnt a Coach train Single as well as Double Player. And Why the Single & Double Games is being seen as a different games all along, past, now & future. Who says Single is harder to play, both Single & Double is tough and challenging in their own ways. I always believe NO one man show. I think The question here is not only Can or Cannot, but is Will or Will Not.

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    And talk about Prize Money, Players chose to be a Single Player instead of Double Player because of Prize Money more rewarding, im sorry to say but this is abit ridiculous right as a professional atlete. By putting a risk to just win the Money knowing that they themselves are better to be a Double Player is outrage, LOL! I think Player tried to play as a Single as well as Double to find out what suits them best, rather than to excel in both Single & Double. And this implied only on potential players (NOT ALL PLAYERS)

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    Quote Originally Posted by angelatby
    Past and Now, meaning to say the 21 Points n 15 Points difference. Players cannot afford to make so much mistake as for now. Yep, is true Peter Gade (and many other players as mentioned) once excel in both as Single & Double Player. But ask again two Questions :

    (1) How long did they played as a Double Player, &
    (2) Why did they choose to specialise as a Single Player. (or Double Player)

    Only certain players can take the pressure n burden to be both Single & Double Player, which is foreseen by the coach. Otherwise, why wouldnt a Coach train Single as well as Double Player. And Why the Single & Double Games is being seen as a different games all along, past, now & future. Who says Single is harder to play, both Single & Double is tough and challenging in their own ways. I always believe NO one man show. I think The question here is not only Can or Cannot, but is Will or Will Not.
    But I think the New Scoring System is less demanding than the Old Scoring System. Under the NSS the match finishes earlier than the OSS. So in terms of stamina you need not be as fit as under the OSS. Under the OSS a match can last as long as 2 hours but under the NSS 1 hour is considered very long. It is true a player can not afford to make as many mistakes under the NSS because a mistake automatically means a point to your opponent while under the OSS it can mean simply change of service.

    I think a player always start from being a singles player in the junior days and later specialises in either singles or doubles at least this was the case when I grew up in Indonesia 20 years ago. In Australia at State and National level a player has to play singles, doubles and mixed doubles. This is the case in the past as well as today. It is only when the national players play in international tournaments that they begin to specialise in either singles or doubles.

    Singles is harder to play because you need to be super fit with great footwork unlike doubles which doesn't need super fitness or excellent footwork to cover all the court by yourself. It has been said that doubles player play doubles because they are not good enough to play singles. So doubles players are second grade singles players according to this theory.

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    to put it simple, players can play singles and doubles at RECREATIONAL LEVEL AND ALSO DOMESTIC LEVEL.
    but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO BE THE WORLD NO.1 FOR BOTH SINGLES AND DOUBLES event in INTERNATIONAL LEVEL.
    playing in singles and doubles AND becoming the best in singles and doubles are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
    get this clear first and we shall stick to the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaCkô
    to put it simple, players can play singles and doubles at RECREATIONAL LEVEL AND ALSO DOMESTIC LEVEL.
    but it is IMPOSSIBLE TO BE THE WORLD NO.1 FOR BOTH SINGLES AND DOUBLES event in INTERNATIONAL LEVEL.
    playing in singles and doubles AND becoming the best in singles and doubles are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
    get this clear first and we shall stick to the topic.
    You are just guessing (though you maybe right) because nobody today has tried playing singles and doubles internationally and fail and thus proof your theory!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabathiel
    But I think the New Scoring System is less demanding than the Old Scoring System. Under the NSS the match finishes earlier than the OSS. So in terms of stamina you need not be as fit as under the OSS. Under the OSS a match can last as long as 2 hours but under the NSS 1 hour is considered very long. It is true a player can not afford to make as many mistakes under the NSS because a mistake automatically means a point to your opponent while under the OSS it can mean simply change of service.

    I think a player always start from being a singles player in the junior days and later specialises in either singles or doubles at least this was the case when I grew up in Indonesia 20 years ago. In Australia at State and National level a player has to play singles, doubles and mixed doubles. This is the case in the past as well as today. It is only when the national players play in international tournaments that they begin to specialise in either singles or doubles.

    Singles is harder to play because you need to be super fit with great footwork unlike doubles which doesn't need super fitness or excellent footwork to cover all the court by yourself. It has been said that doubles player play doubles because they are not good enough to play singles. So doubles players are second grade singles players according to this theory.

    Legend : S Ė Single(s) D Ė Double(s)

    Well, it is quite similar to Malaysia where a fresh junior player usually starts to play as a S player before venture into D. However, a weak S player doesnt necessary means a total transform to become a D player. I agree with you that a S Player needs to be total fit in all aspects. However, i do not quite agree that D players play D because they are not good enough as a S. Well, if is in this case, does it means all S can play D game. I dont think so and it doesnt work this way either. D game come 2nd after S game is because of the Prize Money for S, a mutual understanding of an individual in S game, of that coach alone, with that player alone to fill with the same enthusiasm if the best results are to be achieved and also because of the winning that belong to that person ALONE. D game is more to a mutual understanding of two persons, same thoughts and same inspiration and objectives to be a team. Dont be surprise that D players not just training among 2 vs 2 but that 2 players practise among each other - 1 vs 1. This couldnt be done in S game. I would say D players' understanding of S game is stronger than a S player in D. S cannot practise like a D, but D can. My point is, it might be true D uses lesser strength, lesser power to resist attack, maybe not so stress or strain BUT this doesnt means it is EASIER to play therefore second grade after S game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabathiel
    You are just guessing (though you maybe right) because nobody today has tried playing singles and doubles internationally and fail and thus proof your theory!
    then what about u try playing it yourself?? u think the players are robot meh?

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