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02-08-2007, 10:02 PM #1
CCC@Waverley: Address, Policy, etc...Welcome to CCC Badminton Club @Waverley
CCC was formed in the hope that it will help more people enjoy playing BadmintonWe are proud that we have players from many countries all around the world
We are proud that we have players ranging from Beginners to Advanced Level
Our founder of CCC, chris@ccc, insists that we should look after all players, regardless of their skill levels.
He believes that 'Participation is the key to the enjoyment of Badminton, not the winning or losing'
Below, you will find some info that is relevant to CCC@Waverley;
Venue: Waverley Christian College, 1248 High Street Road, Wantirna South, Victoria, Australia
When: Every Wednesday and Friday 7:30pm-10:30pmLevel: For Beginners, Intermediate and Advanced SkillsCourts: Our venue has 4 courts
If you do not wish to join the Forum@BadmintonCentral, you can email us direct: email@example.com
Conditions of Gymnasium Use Policy:
CCC has agreed to undertake to observe the Gymnasium Use Policy and CCC is willing to bind itself to be liable to pay the cost of any damage which may be done to the building and/or fixtures while under hire or use by the club.
Gymnasium Use Policy (May 2005)
Car ParkingThere are adequate parking spaces available and it is expected that vehicles only park within the defined areas. There is not to be any parking on the oval, gardens or paths. Knox Council do not approve the parking of vehicles on the nature strip of Cathies Lane.
RubbishPlease place all your rubbish into the BLUE BIN(Dumpmaster) in the car park.
Liquor ConsumptionIn line with College and Church policies, these is to be NO consumption of alcohol either inside or outside the building.
SmokingAll College facilities and grounds are TOTAL NON-SMOKING AREAS.
Chewing GumChewing Gum is not allowed in this facility.
Supervision of ChildrenPermission to use the gymnasium relates to the gymnasium only. Access to other areas of the College is not permitted. Children must be supervised by an adult at all times.
The Area Covered by Permission to Use the GymnasiumThe main gymnasiumFoyerFirst Aid RoomToiletsGeneral Purpose StoreCleaning RoomAll other areas, such as stores and offices, are strictly out of bounds.
CleanersPlease ensure that the areas are left clean and tidy. Any additional cleaning required following your use of the facility will be charged at $30 per hour.
FurnitureThe College does not provide any furniture. Unless otherwised with and approved by the College, no furniture is allowed on the main gymnasium floor surface. Please do NOT drag chairs, tables, equipment, etc across the floor.
CookingCooking is not permitted within this facility.
SecurityThe user/hirer is responsible for seeing that the gymnasium is securely locked prior to any departure, gates are to be locked.
DamagePlease advise the College immediately if any damage occurs.
Displayed RulesPlease observe all rules as displayed in the facility.
CCC Shuttlecocks Policy
Members@CCC have to remember this:
Our players' charges are dependent on our club's expenses.
If we spend more on the use of shuttles, the cost will be passed on to the our players.
So, at the end of your game, if the shuttle is still good, place that good shuttle under the net, in the middle of the court.
The next lot of players should warm up with older shuttles from the tray.
When they are ready to start their game, they should then use that good shuttle that is placed under the net, in the middle of the court.
02-12-2007, 08:13 PM #2
Thought i would post this again since it got to do with chris spending time explaning things like "where to place the shuttle" + "system to schedule game":
Since lewlellyn is not here on friday nite, it must be hard for people for Chris to explain the new scoring system and tell people how to use chart to pick team and schedule games. SO it would be nice if we all could help him to do the explaining part to new comers to CCC.
If it's a lot of work now, imagine how hard it would be when the handicapped system comes in.
Well, the more time Chris has to stop+talk to everybody about things, the less time we play. Right?
02-16-2007, 10:29 PM #3
How far is this place from Melbourne centre? i.e. Southern Cross station?
02-17-2007, 12:14 AM #4Originally Posted by Cheung
This is Zone 2 according to the Melbourne Public transport zone system.
Or 40 minutes drive
02-17-2007, 04:55 AM #5Originally Posted by Hagane
02-17-2007, 05:05 AM #6
Cheung so worried about transport to CCC !!!Originally Posted by Cheung
Don't worry...... Just contact me when you arrive here (4th week in May 2007).
We will look after your Badminton in Melbourne, Australia.
Last edited by chris-ccc; 02-17-2007 at 05:08 AM.
02-22-2007, 12:56 AM #7
How does our CCC Handicapped Games/Competition system workGreetings,
Many have asked me “How does your CCC Handicapped Games/Competition system work?”
Below is the answer.
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Firstly, the competition is a perpetual one, continuing forever. And movement of handicapped points are by 2 points at a time.
Let me first explain for the Singles Game. (And we play under the WBF New Scoring System).
We first give to all new players, Staring Point(SP)= Zero.
So, when 2 players, (A & B, say) first enter the Competition, each will start with Staring Point(SP) of zero.
When A & B play each other, it's Love-all... their game is like a normal game.
If A beats B, then A will have an attained SP=-2, and B's SP=+2.
If they play each other again, their starting score for their game will be A(Love):B(4), ie A has to give B a 4-point start, 4 being -2 minus +2.
If A beats B again, then A will have an attained SP=-4, and B's SP=+4.And if they play each other again, their starting score for their game will be A(Love):B(8), ie A has to give B a 8-point start, 8 being -4 minus +4.
But we encourage our players to mix around and play against everyone.
So if A now plays C(let's say, C's SP=-8), their starting score for the game will be A(4):C(Love), ie C has to give A a 4-point start, 4 being -8 minus -4.
If A beats C, then A will have an attained SP=-6, and C's SP=-6.If they play each other again, their starting score for their game will be Love-all, ie no handicap given.
But if B wants to play C, their starting score for the game will be B(10):C(Love), ie C has to give B a 10-point start, 10 being -6 minus +4.
We set limits to the SP's at -8 and +8.
So when 2 players, X & Y, X with SP=-8 and Y with SP=+8, play each other, their starting score for their game will be X(Love):Y(16), ie X has to give Y a 16-point start, 16 being -8 minus +8, the maximum handicap.
I devised this system because I do not want our stronger players to muck about with our weaker players.
And this system will allow a more challenging game for the stronger player, to keep his/her interest up.
To the weaker players, they should find that the system will give them an indication on their progress in Badminton over the months/years of play. But this is subject to how true/honest a play that we get out of our stronger players. I usually encourage our stronger players not to muck about when they play at CCC. They should show respect to our weaker players by playing their best, with the exception of no aggressive smashes at weaker ladies.
But to administer the CCC Handicapped Games/Competition can be hard work. Wait till I get to explain the Doubles Games/Competition, as I will do now.
Let me first explain that the SP is like an identifying number for each player. And let us look at 4 players with different SP's, say A(-8), B(-4), C(0) and D(+8).
So if A partners B, their SP will be -6, calculated by (-8 plus -4) divided by 2.And C and D will have an SP of +4, calculated by (0 plus +8) divided by 2.
So if they play each other, their starting score for the game will be A&B(Love):C&D(10), ie A&B have to give C&D a 10-point start, 10 being -6 minus +4.
And if team A&B wins, then A&B will have an attained SP=-8, and C&D's SP=+6. And I hope that they will continue to play as fixed pairs until the end of the night. This is because of the recalculation that I have to do when their partnerships dissolve.
Let us say that for the game above, A&B beating C&D, was the last game of the night. So, how do I recalculate their individual SP's before the start of our next session?... I will explain below;
Firstly, let me remind you of their original SP's, A(-8), B(-4), C(0) and D(+8).
Because A&B won their game, their SP(combined) has improved from -6 to -8. So, A and B should move to -10 and -6 respectively. But, of course you remember that we have set a limit of -8, so their final SP's will be -8(for A, remaining the same) and -6(for B).
Similarly, C&D having lost their game, their SP(combined) has gone down from +4 to +6. So, C and D should move down to +2 and +10 respectively. But, again you remember that we have set a limit of +8, so their final SP's will be +2(for C) and +8(for D, remaining the same).
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I hope that my answer/explanation above is clear.
02-22-2007, 01:20 AM #8Greetings,
Many have asked me “How does your CCC Handicapped Games/Competition system work?”
02-22-2007, 01:30 AM #9
CCC Handicapped Games/Competition InfoOriginally Posted by hkhung
I will now put a link from 'Friday Social' to 'Address, Policy, etc...'
BTW, I will be at DTBA tonight. Hope to see you there.
03-07-2007, 09:58 PM #10
CCC@Waverley: Gymnasium Use Policy, January 2007
Just received this new Gymnasium Use Policy(January 2007) from the owner of our venue for CCC@Waverley.
Please read it with care.
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Waverley Christian CollegeThe Area Covered by Permission to Use the Gymnasium
Gymnasium Use Policy
Conditions of Use
• The main gymnasium
• Change Room and Toilets
• General Purpose Store
• Cleaning Room
All other areas, such as stores, offices and the mezzanine area are strictly out of bounds.
The user/hirer is responsible for seeing that the gymnasium is securely locked prior to any departure, gates are to be locked.
Payment of Hire Fee
For permanent bookings, you will be invoiced, in advance, at the beginning of each month for that month’s bookings. Payment must be made within 14 days.
Depending on the function a minimum bond of $200 will be charged prior to the activity date.
The bond money will be refunded in full (within 14 days) if the above conditions are complied with. Where there is a cancellation of a booking, a minimum fee of $25 will be charged. This amount will be deducted from the bond.
Contract Expiry Date
The regular weekly bookings are ongoing. However, at the end of each year we will require confirmation from you of your booking in the new year.
Written notice of cancellation (fax, letter or email) must be received by WCC:
• Not less than 7 days prior to commencement of booking will enable a full refund of hire charge less a $5.00 administration fee.
• Not less that 1 day prior to commencement of booking will result in a 50% refund of hire charge.
• Less than 24 hours notice prior to commencement of booking will result in a forfeiture of the hire charge.
A key and security code will be issued on the day of use (or the last business day prior to use).
The key must be returned on the first business day following your use of the facility. For ongoing regular bookings, a key and security code will be issued to a designated person for the duration of the hire period.
Please observe all rules as displayed in the facility.
There are adequate parking spaces available and it is expected that vehicles only park within the defined parking areas. There is not to be any parking on the oval, gardens or paths. Knox Council do not approve the parking of vehicles on the nature strip of Cathies Lane.
Please place all your rubbish into the BLUE BIN (Dump Master) in the car park.
In line with College and Church policies, there is to be NO consumption of alcohol either inside or outside the building.
All College facilities and grounds are TOTAL NON-SMOKING AREAS.
Chewing gum is not allowed in this facility.
Supervision of Children
Permission to use the gymnasium relates to the gymnasium only. Access to other areas of the College is not permitted. Children must be supervised by an adult at all times.
Please ensure that the areas are left clean and tidy. Any additional cleaning required following your use of the facility will be charged at $30 per hour.
The College does not provide any furniture. Unless otherwise organised with and approved by the College, no furniture is allowed on the main gymnasium floor surface.
Please do NOT drag chairs, tables, equipment, etc across the floor.
Cooking is not permitted within this facility.
Please advise the College immediately if any damage occurs.
We do thank you for hiring the College’s Gymnasium and trust that your activity is a safe and successful one.
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I would expect players@ccc to advise me immediately if any damage occurs.
03-24-2007, 02:49 AM #11
Participation@CCC could be 'Exclusive' sooner than later
We posted this subect in another CCC thread.
But I thought I should post it here too.
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Originally Posted by BadFever
As the attendance of our players@CCC increases, CCC will need to become a privileged club, and here is the reason;
For a particular night/session, as you would have heard me saying again and again, when our attendace reaches 32, we will have to become exclusive and privileged.
I still remember when you suggested to me 'When we get to be overcrowded, only then we should start thinking of what to do'.
Well, I have thought about it and I thought that I should have a tentative plan... and now that you have brought up this subject matter, so here is IT: Players@CCC who just come to play and who has no feeling of concern for CCC will be the first to be asked to leave.
Just last night, 2 members informed us that because they will be likely to come less regularly, they have opted not to become members@ccc but just want to become casual visitors.
And this saddened me... because they thought that CCC will always be there for them when they wish to attend, but they did not think that CCC requires their participation if CCC is to continue to operate/exist.
Originally Posted by BadFever
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03-26-2007, 09:48 PM #12
Why CCC designed the CCC Handicapped Games ?
Here I responded to yschin's comments relating to CCC Badminton Club...
Originally Posted by yschin
One of the reasons why CCC Badminton was founded is because I believe it's time for Melbourne to have a 'Community/Social Badminton Club'.
Melbourne has too many 'Segregation Badminton Clubs', and I find that 'Segregation Badminton Clubs' are just NOT FRIENDLY ENOUGH.
And, as you have put it, in 'Segregation Badminton Clubs' "stronger players tend to play among themselves" and "weaker or beginners confine to a court all by themselves".
As you know, I am well known in Badminton in Melbourne because I visit many Badminton Clubs. In fact I have been members(not just casual visitors) of many of them. And I am still currently members of many clubs, even though I find that I frequent them seldom nowadays since I started CCC Badminton. I still like to be treated as part of their families and therefore I decide to continue to pay for my memberships.
Fortunately I am a skilled player. And they treat me with great respect and with tremendous friendliness.
But unfortunately, they are 'Segregation Badminton Clubs'.
So what's wrong with that, you may ask...
Well, the answer/reason is I find problem/discrimination against my lower skilled friends, who are non-members of the clubs concerned, but they want to come play with me just to pass time.
And you will be quite shocked to hear that I have been told "How can you bring this friend of yours when he/she is of such low skilled level of play?".
I find this quite upsetting.
Yes, you may say that those clubs have the right to choose whoever they like (based on skills) but I find it detrimental to the promotion of Badminton, a sport I dearly wish to promote.
Originally Posted by yschin
And I have heard from our stronger players@CCC that it is not easy to win a game against weaker players if the weaker players have 16 points start. And this I like... because it now offers a challenge to our stronger players@ccc.
It's like you and me, partnering in Doubles, asking Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong, if they can beat us if they give us 16 points start.
However, my suggestion that a player of a particular skill should form a Doubles Partnership with another player of about the same skill is because I think that it is very unfair when opponents keeping hitting shots to the weaker player and leave the stronger player out of the game.
The stronger player of the Partnership just doesn't enjoy it.
Last edited by chris-ccc; 03-26-2007 at 09:55 PM.
04-30-2007, 09:06 PM #13
The 2 reasons why we categorise our players@cccOriginally Posted by chris@ccc
A member@ccc asked:
Why do we categorise our players of CCC@Waverley into 3 Sections for Friday Nights ?
Wouldn't it encourages segregation ?
Answer: There are 2 reasons why we categorise our players@ccc.
(1) Because we encourage players@ccc to form Doubles Partnerships with other players of about the same skill level...... players@ccc can see clearer now, with whom suitable partners are available for them.
For more explanation for why we encourage players of the same skill level to form partnerships, please read the second part of Post #12 of this thread.
Our CCC Handicapped Games are designed in the hope to create all games getting to 20-all when weaker partnerships play against stronger ones, without the latter mucking about with the former.
(2) Because we want to make it easier for team captains/organsiers to select/organise appropriate players, without bias/prejudice, when they are to form teams playing against other clubs in Friendly Matches, and/or, to form teams playing amongst ourselves in our CCC League Games.
It is pointless/meaningless to organise matches/games when their results are "too predictable".
We hope to get feedbacks from players@ccc on this matter.
05-03-2007, 01:03 PM #14
Our CCC Announcement: Effective from 1-Jun-2007Greetings,
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A BIG CCC ANNOUNCEMENT was made on Wednesday 2-May-2007
As you know, we have been talking about combining/uniting our CCC/CATS Trainees and our CCC Social Players together. so that we all feel united as one club.
The changes to the club fees and conditions are as follows:
All new fees and conditions will apply from 1-Jun-2007.These will be applied to all CCC Trainees/Social Players at all our different venues.
CCC Membership Fee:For our new Membership Fee@CCC: $10 per month, payable per season.For our Student Concession holders: $5 per month, payable per season.
We will now have a bigger number of players eligible to participate in our Inter-Club Friendly Matches (as the new changes will see an increase in our membership, and only members can represent our club).
CCC/CATS Trainees:Trainees will be charged at different rates:For Members, $15 per session, payable five-weekly.For Visitors, $20 per session. payable per session.
CCC Social Players:CCC Badminton will commence a new weekly session, the details and the new thread will be released soon.From 1-Jun-2007, no visitors* will be accepted for our Social Games on Wednesday and Friday.
However, our Sunday Social Games will be accepting visitors.
We apologise that this decision was made... Our Wednesday & Friday attendances are just becoming TOO BIG.Because of bigger participation, our Winter (June-August) Social Session Fee will be dropped to $6.
* However, each member is allowed to bring 2 visitors.
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05-23-2007, 02:27 AM #15
Our CCC Handicapped Games: Latest Scores can now be located easily
Our CCC Handicapped Games: Latest Scores can found to be located at:
06-11-2007, 09:27 PM #16
CCC@Waverley Sunday Session 7:30pm to 10:00pm to be a permanent fixture
After our 4th Sunday trial, we think that we have succeeded to have our CCC@Waverley Sunday Session 7:30pm to 10:00pm to be a permanent fixture.
The attendance for the past 4 Sundays;
7 on 20-May-2007
12 on 27-May-2007
15 on 03-June-2007
24 on 10-June-2007
This is GOOD NEWS for CCC Badminton... more sessions for us to play !!!
07-09-2007, 02:30 AM #17
CCC Badminton will continue to welcome new players until further notice
Below, is a message that was posted in our Friday thread on Monday 9-July-2007.
I thought I will post it here... for all our CCC members and visitors to be informed.
============ start message ============At the moment, we are still available for all players, members and visitors, for all our sessions.
Our CCC Badminton plays Social Badminton, 7:30pm-10:00pm, every Wednesday, Friday and Sunday.
In our other earlier posts, we stated that we would not exceed 8 Social Players per court.
We have 4 courts. So when our membership reached 32, we thought we better stop inviting more players.
However, we now learned that most our members do not play as often as we thought they would/should. And some of them only play on a particular night and not on others.
So...... it now stands that CCC Badminton will continue to welcome new players until further notice.
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