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    Welcome to CCC Badminton Club @Waverley

    CCC was formed in the hope that it will help more people enjoy playing Badminton


    We are proud that we have players from many countries all around the world

    and

    We are proud that we have players ranging from Beginners to Advanced Level

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    Our founder of CCC, chris@ccc, insists that we should look after all players, regardless of their skill levels.

    He believes that 'Participation is the key to the enjoyment of Badminton, not the winning or losing'


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    Below, you will find some info that is relevant to CCC@Waverley;

    Venue: Waverley Christian College, 1248 High Street Road, Wantirna South, Victoria, Australia

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    When: Every Wednesday and Friday 7:30pm-10:30pm
    Level: For Beginners, Intermediate and Advanced Skills
    Courts: Our venue has 4 courts


    If you do not wish to join the Forum@BadmintonCentral, you can email us direct: chris@cccbadminton.com

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    Conditions of Gymnasium Use Policy:
    CCC has agreed to undertake to observe the Gymnasium Use Policy and CCC is willing to bind itself to be liable to pay the cost of any damage which may be done to the building and/or fixtures while under hire or use by the club.

    Gymnasium Use Policy (May 2005)

    Car Parking
    There are adequate parking spaces available and it is expected that vehicles only park within the defined areas. There is not to be any parking on the oval, gardens or paths. Knox Council do not approve the parking of vehicles on the nature strip of Cathies Lane.

    Rubbish
    Please place all your rubbish into the BLUE BIN(Dumpmaster) in the car park.

    Liquor Consumption
    In line with College and Church policies, these is to be NO consumption of alcohol either inside or outside the building.

    Smoking
    All College facilities and grounds are TOTAL NON-SMOKING AREAS.

    Chewing Gum
    Chewing Gum is not allowed in this facility.

    Supervision of Children
    Permission to use the gymnasium relates to the gymnasium only. Access to other areas of the College is not permitted. Children must be supervised by an adult at all times.

    The Area Covered by Permission to Use the Gymnasium
    The main gymnasium
    Foyer
    First Aid Room
    Toilets
    General Purpose Store
    Cleaning Room
    All other areas, such as stores and offices, are strictly out of bounds.

    Cleaners
    Please ensure that the areas are left clean and tidy. Any additional cleaning required following your use of the facility will be charged at $30 per hour.

    Furniture
    The College does not provide any furniture. Unless otherwised with and approved by the College, no furniture is allowed on the main gymnasium floor surface. Please do NOT drag chairs, tables, equipment, etc across the floor.

    Cooking
    Cooking is not permitted within this facility.

    Security
    The user/hirer is responsible for seeing that the gymnasium is securely locked prior to any departure, gates are to be locked.

    Damage
    Please advise the College immediately if any damage occurs.

    Displayed Rules
    Please observe all rules as displayed in the facility.

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    CCC Shuttlecocks Policy

    Members@CCC have to remember this:
    Our players' charges are dependent on our club's expenses.

    If we spend more on the use of shuttles, the cost will be passed on to the our players
    .

    So, at the end of your game, if the shuttle is still good, place that good shuttle under the net, in the middle of the court
    .

    The next lot of players should warm up with older shuttles from the tray.

    When they are ready to start their game, they should then use that good shuttle that is placed under the net, in the middle of the court.

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    Thought i would post this again since it got to do with chris spending time explaning things like "where to place the shuttle" + "system to schedule game":

    Since lewlellyn is not here on friday nite, it must be hard for people for Chris to explain the new scoring system and tell people how to use chart to pick team and schedule games. SO it would be nice if we all could help him to do the explaining part to new comers to CCC.

    If it's a lot of work now, imagine how hard it would be when the handicapped system comes in.

    Well, the more time Chris has to stop+talk to everybody about things, the less time we play. Right?

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    How far is this place from Melbourne centre? i.e. Southern Cross station?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung
    How far is this place from Melbourne centre? i.e. Southern Cross station?
    About one hour+ by public transport from Southern Cross. Train towards Glen Waverley station and bus which stops at Cathies Lane. You'd need to walk quite a bit down to get there.

    This is Zone 2 according to the Melbourne Public transport zone system.

    Or 40 minutes drive

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hagane
    About one hour+ by public transport from Southern Cross. Train towards Glen Waverley station and bus which stops at Cathies Lane. You'd need to walk quite a bit down to get there.

    This is Zone 2 according to the Melbourne Public transport zone system.

    Or 40 minutes drive
    ***** One hour!

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    Exclamation Cheung so worried about transport to CCC !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung

    ***** One hour!
    Hi Cheung,

    Don't worry...... Just contact me when you arrive here (4th week in May 2007).

    We will look after your Badminton in Melbourne, Australia.

    Cheers... chris@ccc
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    Exclamation How does our CCC Handicapped Games/Competition system work

    Greetings,

    Many have asked me “How does your CCC Handicapped Games/Competition system work?

    Below is the answer.

    ====== start answer ======

    Firstly, the competition is a perpetual one, continuing forever. And movement of handicapped points are by 2 points at a time.

    Let me first explain for the Singles Game. (And we play under the WBF New Scoring System).

    We first give to all new players, Staring Point(SP)= Zero.

    So, when 2 players, (A & B, say) first enter the Competition, each will start with Staring Point(SP) of zero.

    When A & B play each other, it's Love-all... their game is like a normal game.

    If A beats B, then A will have an attained SP=-2, and B's SP=+2.

    If they play each other again, their starting score for their game will be A(Love):B(4), ie A has to give B a 4-point start, 4 being -2 minus +2.

    If A beats B again, then A will have an attained SP=-4, and B's SP=+4.
    And if they play each other again, their starting score for their game will be A(Love):B(8), ie A has to give B a 8-point start, 8 being -4 minus +4.

    But we encourage our players to mix around and play against everyone.

    So if A now plays C(let's say, C's SP=-8), their starting score for the game will be A(4):C(Love), ie C has to give A a 4-point start, 4 being -8 minus -4.

    If A beats C, then A will have an attained SP=-6, and C's SP=-6.
    If they play each other again, their starting score for their game will be Love-all, ie no handicap given.

    But if B wants to play C, their starting score for the game will be B(10):C(Love), ie C has to give B a 10-point start, 10 being -6 minus +4.

    We set limits to the SP's at -8 and +8.

    So when 2 players, X & Y, X with SP=-8 and Y with SP=+8, play each other, their starting score for their game will be X(Love):Y(16), ie X has to give Y a 16-point start, 16 being -8 minus +8, the maximum handicap.

    I devised this system because I do not want our stronger players to muck about with our weaker players.

    And this system will allow a more challenging game for the stronger player, to keep his/her interest up.

    To the weaker players, they should find that the system will give them an indication on their progress in Badminton over the months/years of play. But this is subject to how true/honest a play that we get out of our stronger players. I usually encourage our stronger players not to muck about when they play at CCC. They should show respect to our weaker players by playing their best, with the exception of no aggressive smashes at weaker ladies.

    But to administer the CCC Handicapped Games/Competition can be hard work. Wait till I get to explain the Doubles Games/Competition, as I will do now.

    Let me first explain that the SP is like an identifying number for each player. And let us look at 4 players with different SP's, say A(-8), B(-4), C(0) and D(+8).

    So if A partners B, their SP will be -6, calculated by (-8 plus -4) divided by 2.
    And C and D will have an SP of +4, calculated by (0 plus +8) divided by 2.

    So if they play each other, their starting score for the game will be A&B(Love):C&D(10), ie A&B have to give C&D a 10-point start, 10 being -6 minus +4.

    And if team A&B wins, then A&B will have an attained SP=-8, and C&D's SP=+6. And I hope that they will continue to play as fixed pairs until the end of the night. This is because of the recalculation that I have to do when their partnerships dissolve.

    Let us say that for the game above, A&B beating C&D, was the last game of the night. So, how do I recalculate their individual SP's before the start of our next session?... I will explain below;

    Firstly, let me remind you of their original SP's, A(-8), B(-4), C(0) and D(+8).

    Because A&B won their game, their SP(combined) has improved from -6 to -8. So, A and B should move to -10 and -6 respectively. But, of course you remember that we have set a limit of -8, so their final SP's will be -8(for A, remaining the same) and -6(for B).

    Similarly, C&D having lost their game, their SP(combined) has gone down from +4 to +6. So, C and D should move down to +2 and +10 respectively. But, again you remember that we have set a limit of +8, so their final SP's will be +2(for C) and +8(for D, remaining the same).

    ====== end answer ======

    I hope that my answer/explanation above is clear.

    Cheers... chris@ccc


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    Greetings,


    Many have asked me “How does your CCC Handicapped Games/Competition system work?
    I wonder whether post #7 should be mandatory reading for people who come to friday nite first time. Maybe, the friday night post before the session can include a link to this particular post.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hkhung

    I wonder whether post #7 should be mandatory reading for people who come to friday nite first time. Maybe, the friday night post before the session can include a link to this particular post.

    Thanks hkhung,

    I will now put a link from 'Friday Social' to 'Address, Policy, etc...'

    BTW, I will be at DTBA tonight. Hope to see you there.

    Cheers... chris@ccc

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    Lightbulb CCC@Waverley: Gymnasium Use Policy, January 2007

    Greetings,

    Just received this new Gymnasium Use Policy(January 2007) from the owner of our venue for CCC@Waverley.

    Please read it with care.

    ====== start mail ======

    Waverley Christian College
    Gymnasium Use Policy
    January 2007
    Conditions of Use

    The Area Covered by Permission to Use the Gymnasium
    The main gymnasium
    Foyer
    Change Room and Toilets
    General Purpose Store
    Cleaning Room
    All other areas, such as stores, offices and the mezzanine area are strictly out of bounds.

    Security
    The user/hirer is responsible for seeing that the gymnasium is securely locked prior to any departure, gates are to be locked.

    Payment of Hire Fee
    For permanent bookings, you will be invoiced, in advance, at the beginning of each month for that month’s bookings. Payment must be made within 14 days.

    Bond
    Depending on the function a minimum bond of $200 will be charged prior to the activity date.
    The bond money will be refunded in full (within 14 days) if the above conditions are complied with. Where there is a cancellation of a booking, a minimum fee of $25 will be charged. This amount will be deducted from the bond.

    Contract Expiry Date
    The regular weekly bookings are ongoing. However, at the end of each year we will require confirmation from you of your booking in the new year.

    Cancellation Policy
    Written notice of cancellation (fax, letter or email) must be received by WCC:
    Not less than 7 days prior to commencement of booking will enable a full refund of hire charge less a $5.00 administration fee.
    Not less that 1 day prior to commencement of booking will result in a 50% refund of hire charge.
    Less than 24 hours notice prior to commencement of booking will result in a forfeiture of the hire charge.

    Keys
    A key and security code will be issued on the day of use (or the last business day prior to use).
    The key must be returned on the first business day following your use of the facility. For ongoing regular bookings, a key and security code will be issued to a designated person for the duration of the hire period.

    Displayed Rules
    Please observe all rules as displayed in the facility.

    Car Parking
    There are adequate parking spaces available and it is expected that vehicles only park within the defined parking areas. There is not to be any parking on the oval, gardens or paths. Knox Council do not approve the parking of vehicles on the nature strip of Cathies Lane.

    Rubbish
    Please place all your rubbish into the BLUE BIN (Dump Master) in the car park.

    Liquor Consumption
    In line with College and Church policies, there is to be NO consumption of alcohol either inside or outside the building.

    Smoking
    All College facilities and grounds are TOTAL NON-SMOKING AREAS.

    Chewing Gum
    Chewing gum is not allowed in this facility.

    Supervision of Children
    Permission to use the gymnasium relates to the gymnasium only. Access to other areas of the College is not permitted. Children must be supervised by an adult at all times.

    Cleaners
    Please ensure that the areas are left clean and tidy. Any additional cleaning required following your use of the facility will be charged at $30 per hour.

    Furniture
    The College does not provide any furniture. Unless otherwise organised with and approved by the College, no furniture is allowed on the main gymnasium floor surface.
    Please do NOT drag chairs, tables, equipment, etc across the floor.

    Cooking
    Cooking is not permitted within this facility.

    Damage
    Please advise the College immediately if any damage occurs.


    We do thank you for hiring the College’s Gymnasium and trust that your activity is a safe and successful one.

    ====== end mail ======

    I would expect players@ccc to advise me immediately if any damage occurs.

    Cheers... chris@ccc

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    Exclamation Participation@CCC could be 'Exclusive' sooner than later

    Greetings,

    We posted this subect in another CCC thread.

    But I thought I should post it here too.


    ====== start subject ======

    Quote Originally Posted by BadFever

    I am sure you are not making CCC into such priviledge club right?
    Yes, I have been thinking about this...

    As the attendance of our players@CCC increases, CCC will need to become a privileged club, and here is the reason;
    For a particular night/session, as you would have heard me saying again and again, when our attendace reaches 32, we will have to become exclusive and privileged.

    I still remember when you suggested to me 'When we get to be overcrowded, only then we should start thinking of what to do'.

    Well, I have thought about it and I thought that I should have a tentative plan... and now that you have brought up this subject matter, so here is IT: Players@CCC who just come to play and who has no feeling of concern for CCC will be the first to be asked to leave.

    Just last night, 2 members informed us that because they will be likely to come less regularly, they have opted not to become members@ccc but just want to become casual visitors.

    And this saddened me... because they thought that CCC will always be there for them when they wish to attend, but they did not think that CCC requires their participation if CCC is to continue to operate/exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by BadFever

    Anyway, thanks Chris for providing a clearer definition of what CCC Club is.
    So here is another clearer definition/policy of our CCC Club.

    ====== end subject ======

    Cheers... chris@ccc

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    Lightbulb Why CCC designed the CCC Handicapped Games ?

    Greetings,

    Here I responded to yschin's comments relating to CCC Badminton Club...

    Quote Originally Posted by yschin

    It is a fact that in most other clubs , stronger players tend to play among themselves and the weaker or begineers confine to a court all by themselves.

    I would like to explain...

    One of the reasons why CCC Badminton was founded is because I believe it's time for Melbourne to have a 'Community/Social Badminton Club'.

    Melbourne has too many 'Segregation Badminton Clubs', and I find that 'Segregation Badminton Clubs' are just NOT FRIENDLY ENOUGH.

    And, as you have put it, in 'Segregation Badminton Clubs' "stronger players tend to play among themselves" and "weaker or beginners confine to a court all by themselves".

    As you know, I am well known in Badminton in Melbourne because I visit many Badminton Clubs. In fact I have been members(not just casual visitors) of many of them. And I am still currently members of many clubs, even though I find that I frequent them seldom nowadays since I started CCC Badminton. I still like to be treated as part of their families and therefore I decide to continue to pay for my memberships.

    Fortunately I am a skilled player. And they treat me with great respect and with tremendous friendliness.

    But unfortunately, they are 'Segregation Badminton Clubs'.

    So what's wrong with that, you may ask...

    Well, the answer/reason is I find problem/discrimination against my lower skilled friends, who are non-members of the clubs concerned, but they want to come play with me just to pass time.

    And you will be quite shocked to hear that I have been told "How can you bring this friend of yours when he/she is of such low skilled level of play?".

    I find this quite upsetting.

    Yes, you may say that those clubs have the right to choose whoever they like (based on skills) but I find it detrimental to the promotion of Badminton, a sport I dearly wish to promote.


    Quote Originally Posted by yschin

    Trying to accommodate everyone is always not easy.

    I am sure Chris would like to give this a try to add some varieties to the current system. The current system works well but still stronger pair will only occasionally pick a weaker pair and I think to play ‘mixed’ against ‘mixed’ can be more challenging than against a pair that is so much different in standards than your pairing. Even handicaps doesn't make any different but cut short the playing time.

    (‘mixed’ – weak + strong)

    I devised our CCC Handicapped Games so that everyone@CCC can play against each other, regardless of their skill levels.

    And I have heard from our stronger players@CCC that it is not easy to win a game against weaker players if the weaker players have 16 points start. And this I like... because it now offers a challenge to our stronger players@ccc.

    It's like you and me, partnering in Doubles, asking Koo Kien Keat and Tan Boon Heong, if they can beat us if they give us 16 points start.

    However, my suggestion that a player of a particular skill should form a Doubles Partnership with another player of about the same skill is because I think that it is very unfair when opponents keeping hitting shots to the weaker player and leave the stronger player out of the game.

    The stronger player of the Partnership just doesn't enjoy it.


    Cheers... chris@ccc
    Last edited by chris-ccc; 03-26-2007 at 08:55 PM.

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    Exclamation The 2 reasons why we categorise our players@ccc

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc

    Members@CCC have been categorised into 3 Sections; namely Section 1, 2 & 3.
    Greetings,

    A member@ccc asked:

    Why do we categorise our players of CCC@Waverley into 3 Sections for Friday Nights ?

    Wouldn't it encourages segregation
    ?



    Answer: There are 2 reasons why we categorise our players@ccc.

    (1) Because we encourage players@ccc to form Doubles Partnerships with other players of about the same skill level...... players@ccc can see clearer now, with whom suitable partners are available for them.

    For more explanation for why we encourage players of the same skill level to form partnerships, please read the second part of Post #12 of this thread.

    Our CCC Handicapped Games are designed in the hope to create all games getting to 20-all when weaker partnerships play against stronger ones, without the latter mucking about with the former.


    (2) Because we want to make it easier for team captains/organsiers to select/organise appropriate players, without bias/prejudice, when they are to form teams playing against other clubs in Friendly Matches, and/or, to form teams playing amongst ourselves in our CCC League Games.

    It is pointless/meaningless to organise matches/games when their results are "too predictable".


    We hope to get feedbacks from players@ccc on this matter.

    Cheers... chris@ccc

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    Exclamation Our CCC Announcement: Effective from 1-Jun-2007

    Greetings,


    ============ *** ============

    A BIG CCC ANNOUNCEMENT was made on Wednesday 2-May-2007


    As you know, we have been talking about combining/uniting our CCC/CATS Trainees and our CCC Social Players together. so that we all feel united as one club.

    The changes to the club fees and conditions are as follows:


    All new fees and conditions will apply from 1-Jun-2007.
    These will be applied to all CCC Trainees/Social Players at all our different venues.


    CCC Membership Fee:
    For our new Membership Fee@CCC: $10 per month, payable per season.
    For our Student Concession holders: $5 per month, payable per season.


    We will now have a bigger number of players eligible to participate in our Inter-Club Friendly Matches (as the new changes will see an increase in our membership, and only members can represent our club).


    CCC/CATS Trainees:
    Trainees will be charged at different rates:
    For Members, $15 per session, payable five-weekly.
    For Visitors, $20 per session. payable per session.


    CCC Social Players:
    CCC Badminton will commence a new weekly session, the details and the new thread will be released soon.
    From 1-Jun-2007, no visitors* will be accepted for our Social Games on Wednesday and Friday.

    However, our Sunday Social Games will be accepting visitors.

    We apologise that this decision was made... Our Wednesday & Friday attendances are just becoming TOO BIG.
    Because of bigger participation, our Winter (June-August) Social Session Fee will be dropped to $6.

    * However, each member is allowed to bring 2 visitors.


    ============ *** ============

    Cheers...chris@ccc


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    Thumbs up Our CCC Handicapped Games: Latest Scores can now be located easily

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post

    Many have asked me “How does your CCC Handicapped Games/Competition system work?
    Greetings,

    And now...

    Our CCC Handicapped Games: Latest Scores can found to be located at:
    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...ad.php?t=43979

    Cheers... chris@ccc

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    Thumbs up CCC@Waverley Sunday Session 7:30pm to 10:00pm to be a permanent fixture

    Greetings,

    After our 4th Sunday trial, we think that we have succeeded to have our CCC@Waverley Sunday Session 7:30pm to 10:00pm to be a permanent fixture.

    The attendance for the past 4 Sundays;
    7 on 20-May-2007
    12 on 27-May-2007
    15 on 03-June-2007
    24 on 10-June-2007

    This is GOOD NEWS for CCC Badminton... more sessions for us to play !!!

    Cheers... chris@ccc


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    Exclamation CCC Badminton will continue to welcome new players until further notice

    Quote Originally Posted by chris@ccc View Post

    From 1-Jun-2007, no visitors* will be accepted for our Social Games on Wednesday and Friday.

    However, our Sunday Social Games will be accepting visitors.

    * However, each member is allowed to bring 2 visitors.

    Greetings,

    Below, is a message that was posted in our Friday thread on Monday 9-July-2007.

    I thought I will post it here... for all our CCC members and visitors to be informed.

    ============ start message ============

    Our CCC Badminton plays Social Badminton, 7:30pm-10:00pm, every Wednesday, Friday and Sunday.

    At the moment, we are still available for all players, members and visitors, for all our sessions.

    In our other earlier posts, we stated that we would not exceed 8 Social Players per court.

    We have 4 courts. So when our membership reached 32, we thought we better stop inviting more players.

    However, we now learned that most our members do not play as often as we thought they would/should. And some of them only play on a particular night and not on others.

    So...... it now stands that CCC Badminton will continue to welcome new players until further notice.

    ============ end message ============

    Cheers... chris@ccc

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