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Thread: Is the hook net drop shot legal?
03-01-2007, 08:08 PM #18Originally Posted by RobbieV
03-01-2007, 08:08 PM #19
dang... i was getting good at it too
03-01-2007, 10:22 PM #20Originally Posted by RobbieV
03-01-2007, 11:41 PM #21
From what RobbieV describes, it is a tumble hairpin net shot where he slices the shuttle. It's not scooping, and it's definitely not illegal.
As a word of advice, try to choose your words carefully as it can be quite confusing. Instead, post a video of what you're doing, it might be more helpful.
03-02-2007, 12:22 AM #22Originally Posted by Loopy
03-02-2007, 12:45 AM #23Originally Posted by Adone
03-02-2007, 02:12 AM #24
Ahh, okie confusion cleared. Generally, if the bird is in contact with the strings for more then an instant, then it's illegal. Instant as in a small fraction of time.
03-02-2007, 04:17 AM #25
as long as you hold the shuttle, touch it more than once, or hampers its flight its illegal
03-02-2007, 05:35 AM #26Originally Posted by yy_ling
It shall be a 'fault' if in play, the shuttle is hit twice in succession by the same player. However, a shuttle hitting the head and the stringed area of the racket in one stroke shall not be a 'fault';
This is a change of wording from the old Law
It is a 'fault' if, in play, the shuttle is hit twice in succession by the same player with two strokes
and old Recommendations to Umpires
3.8.6 Law 13.6: a double hit by one player with one stroke is not a 'fault'.
I can't see any reference to it in the new Recommendations to Technical Officials
03-02-2007, 06:49 AM #27Originally Posted by Neil Nicholls
So if the shuttle is held, it is illegal.
From what was described, the move covers pretending to catch the shuttle and during the last moment hooking the shuttle to the back court.
If the shuttle was controlled ("caught") on the down stroke of the deception, then the change of direction ("held on then flung") is illegal.
If you don't touch it AT ALL on the down stroke, hence your first contact with the shuttle is when you're hitting it to the back court, it is a legal shot.
03-02-2007, 07:25 AM #28
Why should it be illegal if you aren't hitting the shuttle with anything other than your racquet, and the shuttle is in contact with your racquet for no more than an instant?
I don't think there are any restrictions on your hand movements while you play.
03-02-2007, 07:48 AM #29Originally Posted by Hagane
That law is now 13.3.7 in the new 2006 Laws.
I wasn't commenting on that, but picking up on yy_ling's generalisation of hitting it twice is always illegal.
03-02-2007, 08:29 AM #30
hrm... there still seems to be debate on this issue! The forums have done nothing! haha just kidding. This is the same sort of conversations i heard when i asked people that i play with...
Does anyone know an official??? I'll try to make a video and post it today or sometime over the weekend
03-02-2007, 09:13 AM #31Originally Posted by RobbieV
03-02-2007, 09:14 AM #32
weell im not like pausing and holding it, its more of a swift fluid motion, not to be confused with a slice shot. It is one swift fluid motion where i smoothly cup the birdie and swoop it over the net.
03-02-2007, 10:38 AM #33
[quote=Neil Nicholls]Your link was to the old 2002 laws.
That law is now 13.3.7 in the new 2006 Laws.[quote]
Hey :P the 1337 law... x) anyways, i wouldnt think that shot is legal... dont know much about the more precise rules of badminton, though it would be good knowing .. it just feels wrong, maybe im wrong.. who knows :P ^^
03-02-2007, 01:03 PM #34Originally Posted by Neil Nicholls
The only way it is legal under the new laws (as is indicated in your quote of law 13.3.8) is if the shuttle strikes the frame and strings in one stroke. Two hits with the strings or two hits with the frame (!!) are both a fault whether it is one stroke or not.
I suspect the reason you could not find a recommendation to officials is that it is seen to be unambiguous now.
And, of course, what RobbieV describes is completely illegal, being a slung shot or carry as defined under 13.3.7 of the new laws:
"13 It shall be a fault:
13.3 if in play, the shuttle:
13.3.7 is caught and held on the racket and then slung during the execution of a stroke; "
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