Professional Player's Best Coach

**JaCk™** · 03-12-2007, 01:37 AM

I have done a thorough search before starting this thread.. Rexy Mainaky must be regarded as the best coach following the success of KKK/TBH.. but is he able to produce another KKK/TBH if he coaches another country? how about wong tat meng? how about li mao? how about china coach where china won 4 out of 5 titles in the recent AE? my vote goes to Rexy for being the best coach in planning strategy and motivating his players..well, the best coach might change from time to time depending on player's performance.. come on, share your opinions here on who is the best coach..

***kwun*** · 03-12-2007, 03:18 AM

you need to define "best" first. otherwise, you will get a lot of differing opinions.

**ants** · 03-12-2007, 04:09 AM

In Terms of the Best.. i think the Ultimate should be Li YongBo!

**abedeng** · 03-12-2007, 04:24 AM

Originally Posted by ants

In Terms of the Best.. i think the Ultimate should be Li YongBo!

I think in China, the coaches don't matter as much as the system. Coaches there are just tools of an admittedly very well-oiled system, and not just for badminton. No disrespect to Li Yongbo and other Chinese coaches, they are definitely top quality coaches nonetheless.

In the rest of the world (eg. BAM), the system is not quite perfect yet, hence having great coaches with wider discretionary powers is more important here. At least there is less politics and tampering of selection now, compared to when Morten Frost and Prof Park Joo Bong were in charge.

**alfa2** · 03-12-2007, 04:32 AM

LYB no doubt though i dislike his arrogant attitude.......

**abedeng** · 03-12-2007, 04:34 AM

Yes, but the subject is about best coaches, not arrogant/humble ones .....

**kian chuan** · 03-12-2007, 05:11 AM

rexy is the best, no metter he is player or coach. he is the right person and in the right place.We can see how KKK/TBH emerge suddenly as asian games and AE champion. He realy put in effort to train player. LYB! i have nothing to say. And rexy is my favorite player also, his games with CSK/YKH in olympic 1996 still fresh in my mind. i still remember the time he retired as player, he said he will coach Malaysia if he has chance to do so, and he did kept his promise. Great great REXY, and congratulation to Kien Kiet/Boon Hiong. Good job! and so pity for Malaysian if they dont have even a single olympic gold in the country,Go Go GO Kien Kiet/Boon Hiong olympic>>>2008>>>Beijing>>>Gold Medal. Catch up your coach, come on young man.

**JaCk™** · 03-12-2007, 06:43 AM

So far, i believe Rexy Mainaky is the best coach.. He motivates KKK/TBH on court and plan the correct strategy.. I believe all the game strategy comes from Rexy.. Li Mao produces LCW but he is the runner up to Lin Dan most of the times.. Wong Tat Meng seems not to have the motivation power to fire LCW up.. LCW still lacks the confidence and mental strength.. LYB no doubt creates powerhouse China, but his politics policy will cause unhappy players such as Zhou Mi.. Kim Her managed to produce 3 young Korea pairs but somehow, KKK/TBH achieves more than the Koreans.. So, my last vote is still for REXY.. Well done REXY!

**JaCk™** · 03-12-2007, 09:46 AM

So far after the AE success, everyone keeps mentioning and praising KKK/TBH and Rexy.. one man is forgotten.. Yap Kim Hock, the chief coach of Malaysia.. is he partly responsible for the emergence of KKK/TBH??

**ctjcad** · 03-12-2007, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by JaCk™

I have done a thorough search before starting this thread.. Rexy Mainaky must be regarded as the best coach following the success of KKK/TBH.. but is he able to produce another KKK/TBH if he coaches another country? how about wong tat meng? how about li mao? how about china coach where china won 4 out of 5 titles in the recent AE? my vote goes to Rexy for being the best coach in planning strategy and motivating his players..well, the best coach might change from time to time depending on player's performance.. come on, share your opinions here on who is the best coach..

..like kwun wrote above, and like you also wrote above, which i've highlighted in bold, i think it's hard and relative to *define* who is/are "the best" coach(es)....

But, IMO, how successful players/pairs are, it falls on the shoulder of the players. It is they, who execute and follow whatever strategies which have been given to them by the coaches..Perhaps we could also say, "great players can play & win with whoever is their coach(es)"..

**JaCk™** · 03-12-2007, 12:23 PM

Thanks for your advice.. well, here's the explanation.. The 'best' coach can be defined as a coach who guides his players to WINNING titles CONSISTENTLY.. unless his players is consistent in winning, the coach has nothing to shout about.. So far, Rexy managed to guide KKK/TBH to win consistently.. How about the coaches in Korea, China, Indonesia? Perhaps some country badminton organization can start to look for good coaches to improve on certain department such as woman single and woman double.. Hmm.. the best coaches for the WS and WD definitely comes from China..

**JaCk™** · 03-12-2007, 12:25 PM

The 'best' coach can be defined as a coach who guides his players to WINNING titles CONSISTENTLY..

**LazyBuddy** · 03-12-2007, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by abedeng

I think in China, the coaches don't matter as much as the system. Coaches there are just tools of an admittedly very well-oiled system, and not just for badminton.

I don't agree. The "good" coach is the one fully discover and utilize the players' ability. Therefore, a coach's rating should not be lowered, just because s/he has several all stars to begin with.

For example, student A's average is always 50. One day, he gets a 65. Student B's average is 95, and one day, he gets a 100. Which one you think is still a better student?

It's true that the CHN coaches usually don't have to worry too much of the quatity of talents. However, they are facing the pressure as no one else facing - no failure is allowed. Other nation's coaches, if one of their players get into a final, they might be national hero. In CHN, if they only get 2 or 3 out of 5 medals in a tourny, that's consider as a failure. The pressure of "don't win all is a lost" can be hardly experienced for other coaches.

**JaCk™** · 03-12-2007, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by LazyBuddy

I don't agree. The "good" coach is the one fully discover and utilize the players' ability.

Wow, with that definition, I can again say that Rexy is a good coach.. He spotted the talent in KKK/TBH and split their ex partnership.. Remember everyone was doubting his decision before the AG, but now, looks like he's everyone favourite in Malaysia..

**LazyBuddy** · 03-12-2007, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by JaCk™

The 'best' coach can be defined as a coach who guides his players to WINNING titles CONSISTENTLY..

I don't agree. Winning or not, it's a combo of coaching and the players themselves. To me, a coach who brings the players to be "over achieve" is much better than the "under achieve".

You can give me a NBA all star team, and give a legendary NBA coach a junior high school team. Mostly, my NBA all star team will win easily, but I don't think I am a much better coach than the other one.

**LazyBuddy** · 03-12-2007, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by JaCk™

Wow, with that definition, I can again say that Rexy is a good coach.. He spotted the talent in KKK/TBH and split their ex partnership.. Remember everyone was doubting his decision before the AG, but now, looks like he's everyone favourite in Malaysia..

Well if that's the case, I think Tang is even better. He got Cai and Fu from nowhere (not even in nationa team I?) and now they are one of the best in the world.

**ctjcad** · 03-12-2007, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by JaCk™

Thanks for your advice.. well, here's the explanation.. The 'best' coach can be defined as a coach who guides his players to WINNING titles CONSISTENTLY.. unless his players is consistent in winning, the coach has nothing to shout about.. So far, Rexy managed to guide KKK/TBH to win consistently.. How about the coaches in Korea, China, Indonesia? Perhaps some country badminton organization can start to look for good coaches to improve on certain department such as woman single and woman double.. Hmm.. the best coaches for the WS and WD definitely comes from China..

..perhaps talents & attitudes of players are part of the mix also??..how abt coach(es) who produce good players who don't win *consistently* but *consistently* always finish near the top or better than the rest of the competition?? Are we going to "label" them as "not the best" coach(es)??..

Originally Posted by JaCk™

The 'best' coach can be defined as a coach who guides his players to WINNING titles CONSISTENTLY..

..on this one, i think most of us BCers can probably identify who they are..