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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball
    They will get more sponsorships now and probably do a few ads.

    Imagine KKK doing a hair advertisement --- shaves his hair and advertises a new cream that makes his hair grow back quickly.

    TBH should advertise a health tonic/vitamin that made him win the ALL-England.

    I think they can command a fortune if they get a good manager ---- think I will approach them to be their managers.
    they can do ads for maggi.. they are doing new ads now hahahaha

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    Ya, I think thy shud be allowed to do advertisements to inflate their income. BTW are they considered professionals or still amateurs? If wanna maintain amateur status, then cannot do ads .

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    i think... profession kua... haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie
    Reply to CKLOO and X-Ball: a player's career is short, easy to say to train like hell, excel to be the world's best, and $ is secondary for winning is more important. One needs money to live on, when the players are past your prime and no longer winning, who supports them in old age...I am realistic but very true. CHN players, I believe are well taken off by the state, INA players, if they win like TH, the $ is big time, otherwise they are in the same boat as MAS. The reason the prize money is so small and not increased, as PG said, is there is lack of interest, from emoty stadiums to minimal sponsors, (only Yonex year in, year out, how many rackets can Yonex sell enough to increase prize money, after all why shoud Yonex increase the prize at all when there is no other sponsors besides Yonex), no TV broadcast in rich countries like North America and Europe (competition from soccer, basketball, etc)...as I said before, badminton is a regional Asian sport, dominated by CHN, INA, MAS, DEN and KOR, now seems like only VHN is dominating, and how many countries would like to see their players beaten up by CHN. If you include CHN, INA/MAS chinese and ex-CHN players playing for other countries, this game is almost totally chinese dominated. Actually, this game may not even survive being cut from Olympics one day. sad but true.
    I agree with you Badminton competes with too many popular sports for money. But I think it can succeed if there is enough push for it --- it is a very good spectator sport. In fact, it compares well against tennis, which has got the mega dollars. So why is Badminton not getting as much money as tennis in terms of sponsorship.

    In the Asian countries, we get full house for any tournament. Asians (Indonesians, Chinese, Malaysians, Thais and the Filipinos) enjoy the sport because it is fast and entertainiing. So why is it not popular elsewhere ?

    I think generally there is not a lot of marketing in the countries outside of Asia. The World Badminton Association should promote more of the game -- by introducing it into schools in Europe or the US. I think they have done a bit of that in the US but it needs to continue. In countries such as Asia, where the game is established, the prizemoney need to increase to attract people to the sport. The badminton federation in each country need to promote the game to the corporates (for more sponsorship). No sport will survive without corporate marketing.

    Having said all the above, I think the sport is now going through a cycle whereby more countries are getting involved with the Super Series, a good strategy to promote the game. It is quite good at the moment, there is a lot of hype about the game. The game is played in many countries now. The European are getting more involved with this sport, and some are getting very good at it. Perhaps in another 5 years, players from Slovakia might win the ALL-England.

    WDYT ?

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    Maybe its too early to confirm it's a "New Dawn".

    Before the recent KKK/TBH's success (barely 6 months as a competitive pair), BAM seemed to be receiving brickbats for it's mishandling of the national trainees, not much better than its Indonesian counterpart, PBSI.

    The appointment of Li Mao first, followed by Rexy has rejuvenated the men's departments and in women's singles as well. Even Rashid's girls did relatively well in major competitions. The positive forces have radiated all round! It was almost a new beginning in badminton for Malaysia because team morale seemed to have gone up a few notches.

    But with the departure of Li Mao to Korea, the men's singles' aspirations, especially LCW's, appear to have departed as well. So the turning point has been blunted and the new dawn has once again to be ignited to inspire the men and women's singles to confirm an all-round development for Malaysian badminton.

    No doubt, with KKK/TBH's inspiring AE success, the men's doubles department will continue to make an impact internationally. Rexy will see to it for he himself is now an inspired man. But how long will the other departments take to lift Malaysian badminton again? So the new dawn is still in the making, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh
    Maybe its too early to confirm it's a "New Dawn".

    Before the recent KKK/TBH's success (barely 6 months as a competitive pair), BAM seemed to be receiving brickbats for it's mishandling of the national trainees, not much better than its Indonesian counterpart, PBSI.

    The appointment of Li Mao first, followed by Rexy has rejuvenated the men's departments and in women's singles as well. Even Rashid's girls did relatively well in major competitions. The positive forces have radiated all round! It was almost a new beginning in badminton for Malaysia because team morale seemed to have gone up a few notches.

    But with the departure of Li Mao to Korea, the men's singles' aspirations, especially LCW's, appear to have departed as well. So the turning point has been blunted and the new dawn has once again to be ignited to inspire the men and women's singles to confirm an all-round development for Malaysian badminton.

    No doubt, with KKK/TBH's inspiring AE success, the men's doubles department will continue to make an impact internationally. Rexy will see to it for he himself is now an inspired man. But how long will the other departments take to lift Malaysian badminton again? So the new dawn is still in the making, IMHO.
    Very good comment Loh, if you look at it the way you do.

    When I wrote about the new dawn, I think every Malaysian will share my feelings that it is indeed a new dawn even though there is LCW's recent bad form and the departure of Li Mao.

    Before the MD became a success, there was very little to cheer for even tho LCW provided some sparks now & then. Now there is so much to cheer and every Malaysian will now believe that KKK-TBH is a chance in all the coming tournaments that they will compete in. LCW, Hafiz, and the other doubles' woes are forgotten.

    Human nature is such that they will expand on the positives than live on the negatives. The new dawn is a signal that Malaysians can now look forward to new successes through this spectacular pair of KKK-TBH. So what if LCW and Hafiz fail, it will still not deny them the joys that will be brought in by KKK-TBH. There is so much to look forward to, even LCW and Hafiz may be viewed in a positive light - that the other Malaysian players may turn around fuelled by this new dawn. Really Loh, if Singapore has Ronald firing, you will probably also call it a new dawn for Singapore too - you might even be more vocal than I .
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    I naturally join all badminton loving Malaysians in celebrating KKK/TBH's recent successes which culminated in their AE crown. That was an awesome performance by such a young pair in such a prestigious and competitive international as the AE! Mind you, it took some 20 long years since the last Malaysian men's doubles' AE victory.

    Of course this has a very positive influence on the rest of the Malaysian team for now, they have seen with their own eyes that it is possible to win at the highest level, even with a pair that was formed for only about 6 months! When the more experienced LWW/CTF tried very hard over the years to take the crown but failed, this seemingly inexperienced pair have done it in a relatively short time! Yes, the confidence level has risen.

    If Ronal Susilo can win the AE men's singles, the same positive feeling will also reveberate all over Singapore. We will also celebrate, no doubt!

    But I can't honestly say that Ronald's win will "signal the new dawn for Singapore badminton", because there are so many other areas found wanting and will need much effort, resources, dedication, commitment and time to make them right.

    Because of its generality, the description of the 'new dawn' should encompass the other related areas as well, not just in men's doubles only. Otherwise, there will be a lobsided development which impedes a more constant and consistent progress for badminton in Malaysia.

    In that sense, Malaysian badminton has some way to go. As for Singapore, we are far behind even with the help of foreign imports. We just don't have the necessary numbers of our own to form a more reliable and consistent base, unlike even Malaysia with a smaller population compared to Indonesia and giant China.

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    Yeah, I think "new dawn" is probably a bit dramatic. Firstly, it implies that Malaysia had long been in the dark, which is not the case. Secondly, you are placing too much burden on the shoulders of KKK/TBH, as if they are the only light-bringers of Malaysian badminton.

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    just hope they won't be like Hafiz in a few years time... heheheh

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    These two youngsters are worthy champions & no credit should be taken away from them. As a new pair, their opponents don't really know their game. You bet that their opponents will definitely sit down with their coaches & start reading KKK/TBH's game. As it is, they were taken to 3 games by their opponents in the last tournament which signifies the opponents making inroads. KKK/TBH has to remain vigilant, otherwise the faster the ascent, the faster the descent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong
    Yeah, I think "new dawn" is probably a bit dramatic. Firstly, it implies that Malaysia had long been in the dark, which is not the case. Secondly, you are placing too much burden on the shoulders of KKK/TBH, as if they are the only light-bringers of Malaysian badminton.
    My friend, this is dramatic !!! The Sports Minister and her deputy, the BAM chairman, the politcal parties, and got knows who else were all converged at the KLIA Airport the other day to welcome the champs. For the first time in 25 years, Malaysia hailed an All-England MD champion. If that is not dramatic, I cannot think of anything else that is. Even coach Rexy said treat these two chaps properly coz they are "diamonds" (coming from Rexy, a previous champ, it cannot be wrong).

    As for the use of the words "new dawn", clearly it is subjective. Personally, a new energy is happening and that to me is a new dawn -- yesterday was all gloomy, today is all happening.

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    Hey Loh,

    I Malaysia Boleh. Singapore sure also Boleh
    Let the magic rub off on both Malaysian's and Singaporeans alike !



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    Quote Originally Posted by Loh
    I naturally join all badminton loving Malaysians in celebrating KKK/TBH's recent successes which culminated in their AE crown. That was an awesome performance by such a young pair in such a prestigious and competitive international as the AE! Mind you, it took some 20 long years since the last Malaysian men's doubles' AE victory.

    Of course this has a very positive influence on the rest of the Malaysian team for now, they have seen with their own eyes that it is possible to win at the highest level, even with a pair that was formed for only about 6 months! When the more experienced LWW/CTF tried very hard over the years to take the crown but failed, this seemingly inexperienced pair have done it in a relatively short time! Yes, the confidence level has risen.

    If Ronal Susilo can win the AE men's singles, the same positive feeling will also reveberate all over Singapore. We will also celebrate, no doubt!

    But I can't honestly say that Ronald's win will "signal the new dawn for Singapore badminton", because there are so many other areas found wanting and will need much effort, resources, dedication, commitment and time to make them right.

    Because of its generality, the description of the 'new dawn' should encompass the other related areas as well, not just in men's doubles only. Otherwise, there will be a lobsided development which impedes a more constant and consistent progress for badminton in Malaysia.

    In that sense, Malaysian badminton has some way to go. As for Singapore, we are far behind even with the help of foreign imports. We just don't have the necessary numbers of our own to form a more reliable and consistent base, unlike even Malaysia with a smaller population compared to Indonesia and giant China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Ball
    My friend, this is dramatic !!! The Sports Minister and her deputy, the BAM chairman, the politcal parties, and got knows who else were all converged at the KLIA Airport the other day to welcome the champs. For the first time in 25 years, Malaysia hailed an All-England MD champion. If that is not dramatic, I cannot think of anything else that is. Even coach Rexy said treat these two chaps properly coz they are "diamonds" (coming from Rexy, a previous champ, it cannot be wrong).

    As for the use of the words "new dawn", clearly it is subjective. Personally, a new energy is happening and that to me is a new dawn -- yesterday was all gloomy, today is all happening.
    Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Some success and all hell breaks loose. Failure and all hell breaks loose also. Why can't people take all these things calmly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hcyong
    Well, that's the problem, isn't it? Some success and all hell breaks loose. Failure and all hell breaks loose also. Why can't people take all these things calmly?

    hahahaha, this is what it is about my friend. One success and we sing it up ! How often do you get to do this ?

    And if I can borrow a saying : "it has been a long time between drinks for Malaysian fans". And if there is more to come from KKK-TBH, we will continue to make noises here about these heroes !

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    the difference between KKK/TBH with other malaysian doubles is that KKK/TBH has faster speed and good low drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JaCkô
    the difference between KKK/TBH with other malaysian doubles is that KKK/TBH has faster speed and good low drives.
    My friend, you should read Rasif Sidek's assessment of this new pair to determine whether he is right or does it boil down to "speed and low drives" as you claim.

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    Really, if we want to talk about new dawns, this is not the time yet. The whole squad has to be consistent before new dawns happen. Not to take away anything from Koo/Tan and Rexy.

    I've seen too much of MAS badminton to see how hopes went up and down. The only time we had consistency was that period between 1986 and 1996, and even then we only managed one Thomas Cup victory, 2nd place in World Championships, All-England and Olympics, and eventually failed miserably in 1996 Thomas Cup.

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