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Thread: Aviva Open Singapore 2007
04-24-2007, 09:38 PM #103
I'm surprised this thing is still here after seeing much tamer threads get binned.
04-24-2007, 09:54 PM #104
A bit of difference in opinions do not hurt anyone. To each his own I say. I have lived in Singapore and Malaysia so I have my own opinions.
04-24-2007, 11:02 PM #105Originally Posted by wl2172
My statement is very general and need not apply to your country in particular, unless there is a reason to do so. You should not insinuate into what I say and put it so negatively.
My statement applies especially to some developing countries where the country is big and resources rich but the leaders are corrupt and poverty is more rampant, educational levels low, crime rate tends to be higher as a result. We have read so much from the papers and seen with our own eyes the sufferings of the common folks, many of whom do not have a decent meal a day.
There are also developed countries with 'imported' social problems in that the foreign workers bring with them social habits and behaviours which are at odds with their host country. Some even resort to killing each other because of misunderstandings. This may be a way of settling arguments in their own country but is totally unacceptable in the host country. Singapore has experienced some of these problems. But the enforcement agencies, like the Police, etc, are able to tackle and contain them before they are being blown out of proportion and become a menace to society.
The degree of crime, etc, is relative and is present in all countries, whether they are from the First World or the Third World. The effectiveness of the law and its implementation is what counts most and therein lies the difference of whether one feels safer or more comfortable in one country compared to another and makes his final choice, having considered all other relevant issues. But unfortunately, for the majority us, it is not easy to migrate to another "better" country because of our own limitations and the host country's strict requirements. For the better educated, mobile young professional, it is much easier, because talents are wanted especially in countries which want to push ahead for various reasons. So if one is really talented the world is at his feet.
Now let's come back to XBall's comments which elicited a reply from me and for which you are not happy about. He said he prefers living in Malaysia and not Singapore, because the latter is too crowded. I have given him a reply and acknowledged that Singapore will be more crowded in future because we need more people to build the economy:
"Got to say something, Singapore is too crowded and will become even more so in years to come as it increases its population.
I still think Malaysia is a better place to live in. Sorry.
I will retire in Australia, the lucky country."
Then I asked why he wants to retire in Australia if he likes Malaysia so much.
But you miscontrued it as unwarranted and became agitated.
You should know that King Stirer XBall meant no harm and this forum is just an escape for us to unleash our stress, if any, or just an exchange of views and information. XBall is entitled to his own opinions as much as we are entitled to ours.
Yes property prices are hotting up in Singapore. Foreign money is pouring in from many countries not only for prime properties but also for other investment instruments and avenues. This is good for Singapore as foreigners show confidence in our country. Even Malaysia's Genting International feels happy to have won the bid to build an Integrated Resort, with a casino, on our Sentosa island that will cost some US$3 billion. American conglomerate, Sands, has clinched the first IR costing about the same price to be built on reclaimed land at Marina Bay.
Fortunately for the common masses, long ago since it came into power, the government has not only initiated a plan to enable about 80% of ordinary people to own their own HDB (Housing Development Board) homes, but is constantly reviewing the mass housing situation in order not to allow prices to escalate out of proportion. For the well-paid young professionals who wish to live in condominium style, they have to pay the market price which is driven by market forces. Now the price is shooting up because demand for the popular properties has exceeded supply.
Last edited by Loh; 04-24-2007 at 11:13 PM.
04-24-2007, 11:23 PM #106Originally Posted by Loh
04-24-2007, 11:51 PM #107Originally Posted by X Ball
But I agree with you when you say:
"A bit of difference in opinions do not hurt anyone. To each his own I say. I have lived in Singapore and Malaysia so I have my own opinions."
04-25-2007, 12:03 AM #108
Ever since I "migrated" to Sillypore from US, I've been living in a dog cage aka HDB flat. Sorry guys, but we need a spacey place to live and the dog cage is certainly too constraint. The reason for a "foreign talent" to stay n work here is because of the strong SG currency and safety. No doubt, SG is one of the safest place on earth and their public transport is top notch. However, if u wanna retire in a big banglow and car, unless u r a millionaire, it's kinda impossible to achieve ur dream in SG.
As far as we (MY and SG PR holders), we should take enjoy the both world (strong SG currency and retire in MY).
Oppss... we are going too far... Let's enjoy SG Open and cheer for LCW, LD and Taufik
04-25-2007, 12:52 AM #109Originally Posted by X Ball
I have driven to many places in Malaysia, including Cameron Highlands and Fraser Hill, when I was much younger and never felt in danger. Naturally I enjoyed myself otherwise I wouldn't have bothered to drive for so long hours to so many places. Like many other Singaporeans, it is also a chance to get out of tiny Singapore, other than taking a tour elsewhere overseas. Also things are relatively cheaper as the Sing dollar is higher in value, unlike before Singapore gained independence when the exchange rate used to be the other way round.
But nowadays my trips up north is mainly by coach. I continue to enjoy myself with the places I visit and the food I take, though in some places, prices are nearly just as high as in Singapore. It is not true that one does not have to pay for using the roads as there are tolls to be paid along the highways.
As for having to pay higher prices, this also depends on supply and demand and the priorities of the country's government. In some countries, prices of goods and services may appear cheaper, but the resident may already have paid heavily upfront in the form of higher direct and indirect taxes.
However there were reports of some unfortunate Singaporeans whose lives were endangered and who received poor treatment at the immigration checkpoints. From time to time, such things do happen anywhere in the world but it is unfair to generalise and stereotype.
So how can anybody accuse me of not liking Malaysia? To me Malaysians and Singaporeans are not much different. They are only divided by political boundaries. But Malaysians who work in Singapore will certainly enjoy the best of both worlds, provided Singapore continues to make economic headway.
Last edited by Loh; 04-25-2007 at 01:00 AM.
04-25-2007, 12:56 AM #110Originally Posted by Loh
So, r u going to watch SG Open on Labor Day? Do I have the honour to go with U? I believe that u have my number, text me ya
04-25-2007, 01:09 AM #111Originally Posted by jimbo
But Jimbo, did I have the privilege of meeting you before? Sorry, I tried but just can't figure out where and when. Do PM me with your hp number so that we can meet up again.
04-25-2007, 01:16 AM #112Originally Posted by Loh
04-25-2007, 01:25 AM #113
That's not good - add more fuel to fire, fighhhhhttttt!
04-25-2007, 01:30 AM #114Originally Posted by wilfredlgf
04-25-2007, 01:34 AM #115Originally Posted by Loh
04-25-2007, 02:10 AM #116Originally Posted by X Ball
04-25-2007, 02:15 AM #117Originally Posted by Loh
Last edited by X Ball; 04-25-2007 at 02:17 AM.
04-25-2007, 02:30 AM #118Originally Posted by X Ball
Retorting? Surely in a democracy, this is fair play? You put forward something and when it concerns a certain party, surely that concerned party must be given a chance to reply? Worst still if it is a wrong accusation without basis. If it is unanswered, it can mean that the accused party is guilty.
04-25-2007, 03:10 AM #119
Mmm.. i'm reading a verbal conversations between two young kids getting at each other. :P ehheheh..
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