LCW+Misbun combination

**SibugiChai** · 01-29-2010, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by undeadshot

Yes, I agree.
Examples :
LCW loses to Chen Long
LD loses to Choi Ho Jin

There is no such thing as a 100% win chance in badminton

There is a huge different between professional sports & social sports...

In social sports, some of the players might not master all the basic thenic but in professional sports, all the players and master the basic thenic and it all down to talents & strategy...

In social sports, Players A skill might be Level-100 and Players B skill might be Level 60

But in profesional sports, Player A skill might be Level 1000 and Player B skill Level -987 so the gap isnt that big... compare to social sports..

**Dr. Evil** · 01-29-2010, 04:32 AM

Originally Posted by pBmMalaysia

a change of strategy and tactic i would say yes but adding new weapon? what would that be? some double/triple trick shots? this won't work when playing with those players, anyone will smack you in the net! so your statement of his training didn't paid off is not correct! he has won 2 back to back title!

if your weapon refers to skills - all professional players have them, it's just a matter of using it at the right timing and the outcome of it.

as for the recent matches reading from the tournamentsoftware match statistic - lcw has the sustaining power and this is what it needs to be a champion (of course plus the correct strategy and tactic). most of them has the s & t but slow in changing and lack of sustaining power so they go cuckoo cuckoo...!

You misunderstand what I wrote. Everybody was saying like the 3 weeks of training paid off, I was saying I didn't see anything "that paid off". He still played the same and still move the same.

Sustaining power? What sustaining power? He has always been known for his high fitness level. He could have won a back to back title last year but made too much mistake in the final against Peter. It was not like he was exhausted then.

**pBmMalaysia** · 01-29-2010, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Dr. Evil

You misunderstand what I wrote. Everybody was saying like the 3 weeks of training paid off, I was saying I didn't see anything "that paid off". He still played the same and still move the same.

Sustaining power? What sustaining power? He has always been known for his high fitness level. He could have won a back to back title last year but made too much mistake in the final against Peter. It was not like he was exhausted then.

ok, let's suppose i misunderstood you! what would be the style of play that would paid off?

**pBmMalaysia** · 01-29-2010, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by SibugiChai

There is a huge different between professional sports & social sports...

In social sports, some of the players might not master all the basic thenic but in professional sports, all the players and master the basic thenic and it all down to talents & strategy...

In social sports, Players A skill might be Level-100 and Players B skill might be Level 60

But in profesional sports, Player A skill might be Level 1000 and Player B skill Level -987 so the gap isnt that big... compare to social sports..

yes, there is not much different between top level professional players, maybe the lower ranking, yes...and social players, well, some maybe 10 out of 1000 but they can still play!

**AlanY** · 01-29-2010, 09:35 AM

LCW + Misbun = FAILURES, as the record shown.
LCW should ditch him soonest if he wants to win a major before his retirement.

**limsy** · 01-29-2010, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

LCW + Misbun = FAILURES, as the record shown.
LCW should ditch him soonest if he wants to win a major before his retirement.

hehe
let see
if 11 ss titles+dunno how much gp gold title,olympic silver medalist and ae runner up is a failures
how about the likes of wong chong hann,bao chun lai,simon,sdk,bp,kj???

**undeadshot** · 01-29-2010, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by AlanY

LCW + Misbun = FAILURES, as the record shown.
LCW should ditch him soonest if he wants to win a major before his retirement.

I don't think LCW is considered a failure for failing to win any major titles. He has won many Super Series and although he will NEVER be as successful as Super Dan, he has still done a lot. If you call this a failure, look at the other players which was mentioned by limsy. I agree that there might be a better coach than Misbun Sidek, but I disagree that Misbun Sidek is a failure.

**Pemuda** · 01-29-2010, 07:50 PM

LCW is certainly not a failure. That I agree.
Yes, he has several SS titles tucked away in his cabinet.
Its just that he gets cold feet when it comes to the big events.

Anyway, the AE may be his breakthrough...

**pBmMalaysia** · 01-29-2010, 10:32 PM

totally agree here, lcw or lcw + ms or ms is/are NOT failure. only failures in terms of winning majors are all of us here finding out what to read and figuring out how to reply...

**OneToughBirdie** · 01-30-2010, 01:54 AM

LCW I have said before is an excellent player, existing to watch and I would pay to see. It is quite tough that in his era, there are 2 other 'greatest' players facing him, blocking him on his way to major titles. When Rudy was king for 8 AEs, great players like Aik Huang, Punch, Sven were bridesmaids. If it was not for INA having Rudy, this trio may have won their share of majors and in the case of AH and Sven, may win more than 1 AE...tough.
I am looking forward to AE, with LD idling and LCW coming off 2 SS wins...if LCW can win his 1st major, AE could be the breakthrough..but it is not easy though with everyone aiming at him..and LD preparing for it too.

**undeadshot** · 01-30-2010, 04:32 AM

From what I see, I think that for now...
Lin Dan is at the top, one step higher than LCW.
LCW is already one to two steps higher than the rest of the 'high level' tier, like Peter Gade, Chen Jin...etc. I don't consider Taufik Hidayat as a high level player any longer, more of middle tier. (I don't have anything against him, it is just that he has gotten old, and his stamina was never impressive, so he can't be a Peter Gade)

Therefore, if Lin Dan is playing to his average form while LCW is playing better than average, I feel it might be an equal platform. Again, it is hard to tell, but I feel that the LCW - LD match up is going to happen again, I cannot see shock losses coming yet, or maybe after I have a look at the draw, then I can comment again.

**SibugiChai** · 01-30-2010, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by AlanY

LCW + Misbun = FAILURES, as the record shown.
LCW should ditch him soonest if he wants to win a major before his retirement.

Its not a failure... but I think this combination has reach its peak, lcw might need to change coach to diversify his tactics..

**pBmMalaysia** · 01-30-2010, 05:26 AM

Originally Posted by SibugiChai

Its not a failure... but I think this combination has reach its peak, lcw might need to change coach to diversify his tactics..

..and which coach might that be?

**Dato A** · 01-30-2010, 05:37 AM

Originally Posted by limsy

hehe
let see
if 11 ss titles+dunno how much gp gold title,olympic silver medalist and ae runner up is a failures
how about the likes of wong chong hann,bao chun lai,simon,sdk,bp,kj???

Why dont you include LD in the list?

**undeadshot** · 01-30-2010, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by Dato Asbullah

Why dont you include LD in the list?

LD is definitely NOT, NOT, NOT a failure

**nokh88** · 01-30-2010, 08:36 AM

Originally Posted by SibugiChai

Its not a failure... but I think this combination has reach its peak, lcw might need to change coach to diversify his tactics..

Yes, IMHO, their combination had reached it's peak during OG and LCW has wasted 1 1/2 years. No disrespect to MS, he should let LCW go and look for another "master' to teach him something new. LCW doesn't have much time left. He should seriously consider this move if he fails to land the AE.