04-19-2007, 02:58 AM #1
Doubles - Strategy/Shot selection
During the course of a close game, my partner who has a lot more playing experience than me said that I should not clear the shuttle when he is at the front of the court (about 2 feet from service line).
I prefer smashing any clears/lifts but switch to clears (to the back line) when I notice that the defenders are side to side but moving forward or when I am out of position.
I thought that the person hitting the shuttle should dictate how/ where the shuttle should be hit. In other threads that I have read they suggest that you should play for your partner. Most of these threads are in relation to smash/drop placement during an attack.
Does the position of your partner dictate whether you force an attacking play?
My shot selection process is generally whether we are on the attack or defense, am I out of position and the position of the opponents.
But now I think my shot selection needs to be much more sophisticated but then I may be heading towards thinking too much and miss the shuttle .
I would be grateful for your opinions/ pointers.
04-19-2007, 04:14 AM #2
well, I agree with your partner..clears in doubles should be faulted with a point deduction (joking...)
there're maybe only 1 r 2 situations where a clear is suitable...but generally you have these disadvantages:
- you're giving the attack to the opponents for free
- your partner has little time to move back, he wasn't expecting your clear as well..
-if you clear a little to short you're in trouble..
and, for advanced play (still working on it myself) the person in front dictates where you smash...though that's a little complicated to explain through the www
04-19-2007, 06:02 AM #3
It's tough to change pace with punch clear during fast rallies. Especially when you don't use it often because it's afterall a fairly returnable shot. Most often with all the andrenaline going in a fast rally, the shot will go out. If it's too short, you have just given your opponent a juicy setup for his smash.
It's better to hit in a downward trajectory to deny your opponents the time and chance to return it. What you were doing is playing the positions of your opponents by hitting to the empty spots. Unfortunately, you chose a bad area to do it. Hitting to the backcourt only works if your opponents are inexperienced and they don't play proper rotations (ie. maintaining side-by-side formation). If you had faced a faster and more experienced team, your offensive chance would turn into a defensive situation. Worse, your partner would have eaten feathers.
When players are on the move constantly (experienced players move fast and move throughout the rally), the 'empty spots' are hard to attack. Safest shots to attack those spots would be smash, blocks, netshot and drops - all except netshot are hit downward.
Last edited by cappy75; 04-19-2007 at 06:10 AM.
04-19-2007, 06:37 AM #4
If I were your partner and you were clearing needlessly, I'd tell you to stop doing it, too. Having said that, trying to attack when you're not in a good position to do so is also something that you should try to avoid. If you must clear, and your partner is at the net, always call them back straight away. Afterall, you know what shot you're playing, but your partner won't know until the shuttle has already passed overhead (because he'll be looking forward), and if it's not a good clear, he's likely to wear the smash. He won't be happy about that!
04-19-2007, 11:16 AM #5
Clear when out of position in attack
IMO clear when you are out of position is a viable option, but should happen only occasionally. If it is necessary frequently when your side is on the attack, some of the following may need work:
- Your previous shot is poorly chosen or executed.
- Your side don't have effective rotation. e.g. you smash from deep BH court, opponent returns to far FH court, and your partner doesn't cover for you and you get there late.
- Back person footwork is slow or wrong, or not returning to base.
- Your around-head shot is ineffective and rely on BH clear.
04-19-2007, 02:43 PM #6
i'd say to ur partner keep ur racket up =P hahaha... but then again i can block smashes at the net pretty well (unless itz one of those world champs smashes) as long as i keep my racket up. when to clear is a matter of position. in doubles when ur clearing itz either when ur out of position. in ur case, u said ur opponent is moving up. if you clear then it better be a good deep offensive clear to push ur opponent out of position. it would probably be a hard push followed by a drop so that person would come forward and backwards. special rotations has to be made with ur partner too. if you watch many badminton videos... there's a "standard" rotation which is typical for all situations, and then when u see players actual play, it is modified to fit their need and speed.
04-19-2007, 03:43 PM #7
Just my 2 cents..Originally Posted by Misbehavin
Last edited by ctjcad; 04-19-2007 at 03:47 PM.
04-19-2007, 05:25 PM #8
Originally Posted by Misbehavin
The reason why I no longer play with average players/old people and focus on singles, is simply because those people tend to clear a lot without any purpose in doing so. It is frustrating when the front person work hard to create a favorable situation for attack, only to have the person in the back-court giving it away for free.
04-19-2007, 05:54 PM #9
contrary to misconception. they basic concept is to keep the bird down, low as possible while it can be fast or slow to set you up for ur consecutive smashes making urself on the offense. people however sometimes forget that smashing can get extremely tiring and when you play against people with better defense than ur offense, itz good to know how to outwit them before you completely lose ur energy. if you want to smash, smash at their shoulders or in between both of them. if it seems like ur smashing is useless, mix it with drops. if both are useless...mix it up with clears. generally i think that doubles play is about 70-80% smashing and dropping while the other 20% is having good clears. clears can put people in defense too, especially those that are extremely keen in getting to the net to cut off ur possible drop or bad smash. it is all in relation to your game. work the strategy with your partner. observe their weakness. let your partner know how you want to attack them. your partner probably has some ideas of his too. work it out. there's no one strategy.
04-19-2007, 11:29 PM #10
Thanks everyone for your replies.
Hmmm... guilty ... of taking an easy way out by lifting and you do get away with it when you are facing weaker opponents .
I guess its something I need to work on again, as a few months ago having read many threads not to lift the shuttle I tried very hard not to lift/clear. I found that it didn't work very well because my opponents could out maneuver me as my strokes had long back swings and lifting gave me more time.
Since then after watching Zhao/LBJ/Xie instructional videos (hundreds of times) my strokes are a lot more economical and my footwork has improved substantially ... I should now revisit ways of pressurising my opponents with downward trajectory shots such as smashes, drops and net drops in cases where I could not be effective a few months ago.
Pressurise by looking for weakness in strokes, positioning, footwork etc rahter than what I was doing in looking primarily at "empty space".
04-20-2007, 01:29 AM #11
You lift because you arrived late and out of position, so you had no choice but to reach for the shot. Don't worry too much though, it's just part of the learning process. Experience will help you anticipate the shots soon enough. You'll be able to move into position once you can anticipate well enough. Just keep moving your feet.
Bear in mind to be aggressive in your stance and movement (eg. pre-loading hop before going for any shot)but strategically in your mind (eg. think about shot placement in certain game situations).
Some 'empty space' can be deceptively huge, assess your opponents before you start doing crazy sh*t like punch clearing to their backcourts.
Originally Posted by Misbehavin
Last edited by cappy75; 04-20-2007 at 01:41 AM.
04-20-2007, 01:49 AM #12
For pro levels of play, any doubles player is usually fast enough to jump backwards and do a jumpsmash in a short time. But for lower levels of play, attacking clears are not necessarily a bad choice in doubles i think...simply because it is least anticipated...(no one would waste an opportunity to smash/setup and choose to clear.) But it might prove useful when used with an element of surprise.
it is ok for your partner to suggest that you don't clear while in attack formation, but if you should hit a clear, your partner should be quick enough to react and decide to split or stay where he is, depending on circumstances
04-20-2007, 10:04 AM #13
lol if my partner cleared on me when he had a perfect smash i would kick his ass when i recovered from my heart attack
04-20-2007, 10:40 AM #14
If you are in a desperate situation, sometimes playing a half smash to an empty spot or a flat push to the net where it is empty is better. But generally, when you are out of position, you should think about what shots your opponent is waiting for and what will surprise them. Shouldn't be fixated on a particular shot.
04-21-2007, 02:08 AM #15
Originally Posted by Misbehavin
You got to remember that it's not your partner dictating the play but rather the both of you. If you are out of position and forced to clear, your partner should know that. The fact that your opponents know that you are out of position and moves forward to pressure your smash, should tell your partner that he shouldn't have moved forward expecting you to smash. The idea of a clear (defensive) is to allow you and your partner to get out of trouble and into position to defend and turn it around.
Generally the strategy is to attack and force your opponents to lift or provide a weak reply allowing you and your partner to put away the rally but if your opponents have stronger defence, it is possible that they could turn it around so depending on your and partner's skills/abilities and your opponents, you will have to judge how you should play to win the rallies.
A good book is "Excelling at Badminton" by Jake Downey (http://www.badders.com/news/item/896...badminton.html) for going through your shot selections and "Winning Badminton Doubles" (http://www.badders.com/news/item/900...n-doubles.html) for strategies.
04-21-2007, 03:48 AM #16
Originally Posted by drowsysmurf
04-22-2007, 05:24 AM #17
Originally Posted by Winex West Can
Originally Posted by Winex West Can
Thanks for the tips on the books I will have a look at them soon.
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