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    Default world badminton association should come down heavily on those association ..

    which doesnot promote the badminton..

    indian badminton association has set an exemple to destroy the players's llife with help of once winner of all england, gopichand..

    10 yrs back , this very same player gopichand fought with this association with support of all players, today, in revenge to this association at other players cost,he is playing dirty ... indeed is disgusting..i hope mr. panch gonalan is watching the develpoment in indian badminton..

    i will publish all indian association's letter here for you all to justify..

    and the so called camp has started with more than 12 top indian players missing from the camp..pls comment why all players are missing? left only jr's are playing summer camp!!!

    what fitness goopi can give? when he knows nothing in training..
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    BAI letter to coach and players........(from guttayelan)
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    dear players, pls read the badmintonassociation's letter to their players..

    you will know why we are fighting..

    yelan

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    I still don't really see the problem.

    Basically if you are not commited to the national teams goals, then you will not be allowed to train with the national team, and not be funded in tournaments by BAI.

    That is the same anywhere. If you don't want to play under their rules, then pay for yourself to enter the tournaments.

    Arguably you could say they are being dictatorial and inflexible about their goals, but it is perfectly reasonable to focus on the CG and WC in 2010 and 2009 because they are in india and that is where better results will gain better exposure that reaching the main draw or 2nd round of Super Series Event.

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    Default Worry...

    ... what are the legal ramifications of posting a letter like that in BF? After all, the content of letter is not meant for public consumption, and something like that can only be made public through a court order.

    Members with privy to information like this can perhaps communicate the less sensitive parts to the forum. After all, we don't want Kwun or any of the moderators to get sued...

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    dear player:

    the problem is,

    when BAI has allow the players to opt out of the camp and train on themselves, if they want to go to play abraod they should pay by themselves..

    all players have gone on themselves all year has reached 25th in the world..now they ask the BAI to send their entries for other super series, the associatione denied it...

    will you understant it now?

    the BAI is rediculous..donot you all see it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guttayelan
    dear player:

    the problem is,

    when BAI has allow the players to opt out of the camp and train on themselves, if they want to go to play abraod they should pay by themselves..
    And what is wrong with that? Why should they (BAI) pay for someone who does not aid them in their training and developing of players, but wishes to go their own way?

    If you want to go it alone, you cannot expect others to pay for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesd20
    And what is wrong with that? Why should they (BAI) pay for someone who does not aid them in their training and developing of players, but wishes to go their own way?

    If you want to go it alone, you cannot expect others to pay for you.
    dear friend:

    i am posting this association's letter here is with a purppose to show you the underlines..the atop indian players have opted out of the camp as per the association's instruction..they are training on their own..they didnot ask the association to fund them but to send the entries for them..however the association didnot do so ...the association came up with a camp in the middle of the super series, purpose to see the ranking of all players to fall beyond 50..

    now hope you have seen the pirpose of this kind of association...malaysian association has neglected their player's name..indian association is done deliberately to cost the players career..gopi has supported them without any hesitation..

    so i say ban all these association.eliminate all crooked officials...lets make badminton better tomorrow..

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesd20
    And what is wrong with that? Why should they (BAI) pay for someone who does not aid them in their training and developing of players, but wishes to go their own way?

    If you want to go it alone, you cannot expect others to pay for you.
    James, it's not about paying for the expenses for the tournament. For players opting out, the bit in yellow says if you can compete with other Indian players for major events like Asian Games. However, a player would need a world ranking to be realistically considered for a place.

    The line that says "exposures planned by the BAI will only be available only to those who are committed to ...."....

    I'm not quite sure how to interpret it. What about the exposure not planned by BAI? It doesn't specifically say they will not register opting out players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung
    James, it's not about paying for the expenses for the tournament. For players opting out, the bit in yellow says if you can compete with other Indian players for major events like Asian Games. However, a player would need a world ranking to be realistically considered for a place.

    The line that says "exposures planned by the BAI will only be available only to those who are committed to ...."....

    I'm not quite sure how to interpret it. What about the exposure not planned by BAI? It doesn't specifically say they will not register opting out players.
    in this BAI letter, it means if th eplayers doenot attend their camps can opt out but if they go for tournament, BAI wont ne borne their expenses..while those players who participates int he camp will be funded by so called BAI, means the govt of india..(BAI never spend a single money from their accoount..otherwise those corrupted official will get nothing ..)

    hopeu followed..

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    Quote Originally Posted by guttayelan
    in this BAI letter, it means if th eplayers doenot attend their camps can opt out but if they go for tournament, BAI wont ne borne their expenses..while those players who participates int he camp will be funded by so called BAI, means the govt of india..(BAI never spend a single money from their accoount..otherwise those corrupted official will get nothing ..)

    hopeu followed..
    Not quite sure.

    You are saying that if the player opts out, BAI will still help enter them in tournaments. However, they won't financially support the player for accommodation and other expenses form participation in the tournament, right?

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    This problem is not Only in BAI, is has been around thruout history and even in the present time at all the BAs in other countries as well.

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    I'm not clear about the problem itself now! The OP has given two reasons why it is unfair. Which one is the problem? Or is it both?

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    I doubt Kwun and the forum could get sued for another party posting the letter online. If the BA could do it, then all news media could get sued whenever they publish leaked documents from industrial whistleblowers. Organizational confidentiality only govern those directly involved, which Kwun and the forum is not.

    Quote Originally Posted by cheongsa
    ... what are the legal ramifications of posting a letter like that in BF? After all, the content of letter is not meant for public consumption, and something like that can only be made public through a court order.

    Members with privy to information like this can perhaps communicate the less sensitive parts to the forum. After all, we don't want Kwun or any of the moderators to get sued...

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    I think I somewhat misinterpreted the original meaning (as pointed out by Cheung )

    However then the OP confirmed my misinterpretation was the case. To summarise on my feelings:


    1. Opting into a national training set up means you should be entering into a contract with the national set up about the level of tournaments you play each year. You may have some freedom in choice of tournament (depending on the contract), but final decision rests with what the national association tells you. This is OK IMO

    2. Opting out of national training, entering tournaments and National associations accepting entry but not paying expenses is perfectly acceptable again IMO

    3. Opting out of of national training, and not being accepted entry into tournaments by your national tournaments irrespective of whether the National association is paying or not is wrong IMO. If you are a free player acting under your own means then you should be allowed to enter any tournament you like.


    For more information on Point 3. see M. Roslin Hashim.......

    I the orignal letter posted refers to point 3. OP then stated dissatisfaction of point two.

    There will always be a crossover. For example Andrew Smith of England does not train with national association, but by virute of his results and ranking is eligible for funding under Badminton Englands Rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheung
    Not quite sure.

    You are saying that if the player opts out, BAI will still help enter them in tournaments. However, they won't financially support the player for accommodation and other expenses form participation in the tournament, right?
    yes, you are right, but they deny to send the entries now and no explaination to the players as why they donot want to send?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guttayelan
    yes, you are right, but they deny to send the entries now and no explaination to the players as why they donot want to send?
    That's something I can't tell you. But I'm glad we've actually clarified what the issues are

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