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Thread: How much do you hate plastic?
10-05-2007, 02:15 PM #86
Of course, everyone has his/her own judgement about whether you want to spend the extra for this sport. Someone can put up 10K extra for his car without blinking his eyes, but can feel heart breaking to spend $5 on feather shuttles, well, I won't blame them, simply because they are different.
10-05-2007, 02:18 PM #87
Of course, the lower level of playing might cost a bit more due to extra damage. However, they don't need to get $18 per tube shuttles either. The drills can be done by used shuttles, and practice grade shuttles for recreation playing could be as cheap as US$10 or lower. Never have to mention there's also bulk order options.
10-05-2007, 02:24 PM #88
i agree with your assessment of human nature. Often i see people research weeks before buying something minor or trival while they spent much less time researching for some big ticket item.
10-05-2007, 02:29 PM #89
10-05-2007, 04:10 PM #90
In germany all the clubs play with feather and most of the unorganized players (not club members) use plastics. For the club-league games and tournaments most of the clubs spend the shuttles and fees.
When you want to play with non-club-people, you have to play with plastics! And there are such people that are very good but dont want to spend much time and travel to league games or tournaments that in germany are on saturday afternoon or sunday morning
And i find really big fun to play with such guys, when you play just for fun.
In league or tournament the games are more about winning, you have to play consistent and safe, you woudnt try to play some crazy or extravagant strokes like Sigit when the match is tight and the points of your team are at stake
This are quite different situations but i think both very entertaining.
- 1 dz. mavis 350 = 14 euro = 20 $ buying online and in a sport shop 20 euro = 28 $
- 1 dz. as 30 or victor champion 16,50 euro = 23 $, buying online, normally you dont find feather in sport shops here
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10-05-2007, 05:13 PM #91
10-05-2007, 05:57 PM #92
Oh yes? Then try it next time, and tell us about the results
I play my very first league single against a guy with a very spectacular and good looking style. At first i was quite impressed but he made so many mistakes... he made my points alone
The best is when you can win after playing conservatively and making the last points with some really crazy shots, like around-the-head-jump-half-smash in Chen Jin style
10-07-2007, 12:26 AM #93
Why has this topic changed into how much can u afford for shuttles instead of HOW MUCH U REALLY HATE PLASTICS..man..what do u people get in english courses for staying OFF topic..lolz...
Plastics = no feel, more for beginners, teaches the wrong techniques (There are reasons why pros don't play w/ nylons..........wonder why)
Feathers = The Way It's Meant To Be Played. Period.
10-07-2007, 09:10 AM #94
10-07-2007, 09:31 AM #95
10-07-2007, 11:35 AM #96
whats better, a slightly worn (frayed or with 1 feather missing) feather bird or a new nylon?
10-07-2007, 12:02 PM #97
10-07-2007, 03:46 PM #98
a real shuttle missing one feather is absolutely unacceptable for use other than multi-shuttle feed.
if you want to be actually hitting shots with it, i'd say the new nylon shuttle is better than a crippled feather.
once something falls off of a feathered shuttle, it is not "slightly off speed", but rather "quite well off speed".
10-07-2007, 05:21 PM #99
The plastic just fosters wrong technice (more arm, due to the more heavy feel than a feather). and as the trajecory is f-ed of by default any placement shots, or net-playe will pretty much a waste of training (if you are advanced)..
If you are a newbie just trying to whack the shuttle over net randomly, I guess its ok :-), not going for lines, tumbles, slices, flicks etc.
10-07-2007, 05:56 PM #100
By fostering of wrong technique by plastics, you people do mean that plastics are far more forgiving when you strike the skirt; on a feather, accidently hitting the feathers with a power stroke will soak up all the force, break feathers, and cause your stroke to screw up. Hitting a plastic on the skirt will still get you lots of power...
10-07-2007, 06:12 PM #101
Maybe this is simply so because you dont have seen yet good players playing with plastics.
People that play regularly with plastics can produce very fine shots, that you cant play with feather: very tight drops and good tumbling shots!!! Because they play most of the time with plastics they are used to this! Its quite normal.
Why must plastics foster wrong technic??? Its the player like chickenpoodle already sayed, if he have the skills or know how to play he dont have to use more arm, instead he have to get faster in the ready position.
Some people that are quite good can produce very bad sliced clears with this crapy platics that are more dangerous than with feather. This sliced clears fall on the end of the curve like a stone
Generally you can do more slicing with plastics, but you have to get used to it
Maybe you have to try more first
10-07-2007, 06:53 PM #102
But really good players here NEVER use plastic for training, games (even for fun games).. good players here usually also gets shuttles for free, so why on earth would they use plastic??
Only lower-level players and recreational players use plastics here.. in torunaments, leagues etc its all feathers.. So generlly if someone comes up tells me he only plays plastic, it's a good give-away he is not a competetetive level player!
I don't have any trouble to play well with mavis, performance wise.. But it destroys all fun in the game!!..
Just smash at everything (even out of position, of balance etc).. any mediocre smash has a good chance to win the point, due to the folding mavis effect.. and if the shuttle is much too slow, then it just becomes a who has the strength to do most deep clears, in a row...
P.S. Are you saying top player in the Bonn area regularly plays plastics??? D.S
Last edited by twobeer; 10-07-2007 at 06:59 PM.
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