# Thread: How much do you hate plastic?

1. Originally Posted by cooler

(6.1-1.25)x 3 sessions/wk *52 week=772\$ extra/yr. For some students, that could be expensive, plus u have to find 3 other players who r willing to go along with this too.
I understand, and I also said that my calculation does not reflect every case. However, look at how much ppl (even young ppl) spend on video games, cell bills (txt messages), clothes, eating outs, parties... The extra \$700 might not be an mission impossible.

Of course, everyone has his/her own judgement about whether you want to spend the extra for this sport. Someone can put up 10K extra for his car without blinking his eyes, but can feel heart breaking to spend \$5 on feather shuttles, well, I won't blame them, simply because they are different.

2. Originally Posted by cooler
well, not all people can buy feathers that cheap and have such wide selection of sellers.
For speed 73 to 74, try to find sellers for that, forget about good deals. We r stuck with buying from only a few source. Here AS20 cost 21/doz(use to be 24/doz but high C\$ helped), Victor green 24\$/doz from bulk buy. Add to that air is drier here so feathers breaks faster (relative to 77-79 at sea level climate) even with steaming. If i use your assumption 9 games/2 hrs session, 1.5shuttle/game x 9 =13.5 shuttles. Using 22/doz, Cost =\$6.2/person. I'm was basing it on your assumption of usage. Here, we have to tip most of the feather shuttles before use, further cutting into durabiltiy of each feather shuttle used.

Plastic: I got \$1.25/person.

yes, i can afford 6\$/session, i was just recalculating the math to better reflect our situration here. If u look at what dinkalot spent on shuttles, u can see it's no \$6/session.

as for C or lower level players, feather cost way more since the fastest way to wreck a feather shuttle is to mishit.
Again, my calculation does not reflect every case. However, I am pretty sure most ppl crying out here about "feather is too expensive" don't need special speed 73, but more fell into my categories of normal usage.

Of course, the lower level of playing might cost a bit more due to extra damage. However, they don't need to get \$18 per tube shuttles either. The drills can be done by used shuttles, and practice grade shuttles for recreation playing could be as cheap as US\$10 or lower. Never have to mention there's also bulk order options.

3. Originally Posted by LazyBuddy
I understand, and I also said that my calculation does not reflect every case. However, look at how much ppl (even young ppl) spend on video games, cell bills (txt messages), clothes, eating outs, parties... The extra \$700 might not be an mission impossible.

Of course, everyone has his/her own judgement about whether you want to spend the extra for this sport. Someone can put up 10K extra for his car without blinking his eyes, but can feel heart breaking to spend \$5 on feather shuttles, well, I won't blame them, simply because they are different.
well, only 1.5 place i go that players use feathers. If i want to play elsewhere, i'm stuck using plastic.

i agree with your assessment of human nature. Often i see people research weeks before buying something minor or trival while they spent much less time researching for some big ticket item.

4. Originally Posted by cooler
i agree with your assessment of human nature. Often i see people research weeks before buying something minor or trival while they spent much less time researching for some big ticket item.
Lol... I can't agree more than that. Ppl spend more time to analyze "seseame" but ignore the big "watermelon".

5. In germany all the clubs play with feather and most of the unorganized players (not club members) use plastics. For the club-league games and tournaments most of the clubs spend the shuttles and fees.

When you want to play with non-club-people, you have to play with plastics! And there are such people that are very good but dont want to spend much time and travel to league games or tournaments that in germany are on saturday afternoon or sunday morning

And i find really big fun to play with such guys, when you play just for fun.
In league or tournament the games are more about winning, you have to play consistent and safe, you woudnt try to play some crazy or extravagant strokes like Sigit when the match is tight and the points of your team are at stake

This are quite different situations but i think both very entertaining.

- 1 dz. mavis 350 = 14 euro = 20 \$ buying online and in a sport shop 20 euro = 28 \$

- 1 dz. as 30 or victor champion 16,50 euro = 23 \$, buying online, normally you dont find feather in sport shops here

6. Originally Posted by bdbc74
you woudnt try to play some crazy or extravagant strokes like Sigit when the match is tight and the points of your team are at stake
Doohh?

If points to our team is at stake, I really want to play like Sigit!!!!

/Twobeer

7. Originally Posted by twobeer
Doohh?

If points to our team is at stake, I really want to play like Sigit!!!!

/Twobeer
looool

Oh yes? Then try it next time, and tell us about the results

I play my very first league single against a guy with a very spectacular and good looking style. At first i was quite impressed but he made so many mistakes... he made my points alone

The best is when you can win after playing conservatively and making the last points with some really crazy shots, like around-the-head-jump-half-smash in Chen Jin style

8. Why has this topic changed into how much can u afford for shuttles instead of HOW MUCH U REALLY HATE PLASTICS..man..what do u people get in english courses for staying OFF topic..lolz...

Plastics = no feel, more for beginners, teaches the wrong techniques (There are reasons why pros don't play w/ nylons..........wonder why)
Feathers = The Way It's Meant To Be Played. Period.

9. Originally Posted by Ah_Shum
Why has this topic changed into how much can u afford for shuttles instead of HOW MUCH U REALLY HATE PLASTICS..man..what do u people get in english courses for staying OFF topic..lolz...

Plastics = no feel, more for beginners, teaches the wrong techniques (There are reasons why pros don't play w/ nylons..........wonder why)
Feathers = The Way It's Meant To Be Played. Period.
I'd like to see a plastic bird coach people to use the wrong techniques.

10. Originally Posted by Athelete1234
I'd like to see a plastic bird coach people to use the wrong techniques.
MOST coaches don't use plastics..lol..just those who train high school kids..otherwise..all badminton centres use feathers to train..n when hitting a plastic..the actual way u hit a feather will somewhat differ from how u hit a ded plastic bird..=p

11. whats better, a slightly worn (frayed or with 1 feather missing) feather bird or a new nylon?

12. Originally Posted by t3tsubo
whats better, a slightly worn (frayed or with 1 feather missing) feather bird or a new nylon?
A sligthly worn feather is in most cases much better than a new nylon.. it may be slight off speed or trjactorym or wobbly, but will still have a better flight-path than a new plastic!!

/Twobeer

13. Originally Posted by twobeer
A sligthly worn feather is in most cases much better than a new nylon.. it may be slight off speed or trjactorym or wobbly, but will still have a better flight-path than a new plastic!!

/Twobeer
i diasgree.
a real shuttle missing one feather is absolutely unacceptable for use other than multi-shuttle feed.
if you want to be actually hitting shots with it, i'd say the new nylon shuttle is better than a crippled feather.

once something falls off of a feathered shuttle, it is not "slightly off speed", but rather "quite well off speed".

14. Originally Posted by chickenpoodle
i diasgree.
a real shuttle missing one feather is absolutely unacceptable for use other than multi-shuttle feed.
More usable for feeding than a plastic mavis imop..

Originally Posted by chickenpoodle
if you want to be actually hitting shots with it, i'd say the new nylon shuttle is better than a crippled feather.
Dissagree completle :-)
The plastic just fosters wrong technice (more arm, due to the more heavy feel than a feather). and as the trajecory is f-ed of by default any placement shots, or net-playe will pretty much a waste of training (if you are advanced)..

If you are a newbie just trying to whack the shuttle over net randomly, I guess its ok :-), not going for lines, tumbles, slices, flicks etc.

Originally Posted by chickenpoodle
once something falls off of a feathered shuttle, it is not "slightly off speed", but rather "quite well off speed".
One missing feather does not usually affect the speed to an extreme (you can also still adjust it by tipping), but it makes the flight wobbly, so of course its not a "good" shuttle.. but it has to be severly broke to even come close in Mavis crapiness :-)

/Twobeer

15. By fostering of wrong technique by plastics, you people do mean that plastics are far more forgiving when you strike the skirt; on a feather, accidently hitting the feathers with a power stroke will soak up all the force, break feathers, and cause your stroke to screw up. Hitting a plastic on the skirt will still get you lots of power...

16. Originally Posted by twobeer

Dissagree completle :-)
The plastic just fosters wrong technice (more arm, due to the more heavy feel than a feather). and as the trajecory is f-ed of by default any placement shots, or net-playe will pretty much a waste of training (if you are advanced)..

If you are a newbie just trying to whack the shuttle over net randomly, I guess its ok :-), not going for lines, tumbles, slices, flicks etc.

/Twobeer
I think you are a very little biased against plastics
Maybe this is simply so because you dont have seen yet good players playing with plastics.

People that play regularly with plastics can produce very fine shots, that you cant play with feather: very tight drops and good tumbling shots!!! Because they play most of the time with plastics they are used to this! Its quite normal.

Why must plastics foster wrong technic??? Its the player like chickenpoodle already sayed, if he have the skills or know how to play he dont have to use more arm, instead he have to get faster in the ready position.

Some people that are quite good can produce very bad sliced clears with this crapy platics that are more dangerous than with feather. This sliced clears fall on the end of the curve like a stone

Generally you can do more slicing with plastics, but you have to get used to it

Maybe you have to try more first

17. Originally Posted by bdbc74
I think you are a very little biased against plastics
Maybe this is simply so because you dont have seen yet good players playing with plastics.
Of course you se few "good" players playing with plastics, as they know better :-) .. I've played plastic with some of the national top-level players here..and of course a classy player is a good player even with bad conditions and equipment!!
But really good players here NEVER use plastic for training, games (even for fun games).. good players here usually also gets shuttles for free, so why on earth would they use plastic??

Only lower-level players and recreational players use plastics here.. in torunaments, leagues etc its all feathers.. So generlly if someone comes up tells me he only plays plastic, it's a good give-away he is not a competetetive level player!

Originally Posted by bdbc74
People that play regularly with plastics can produce very fine shots, that you cant play with feather: very tight drops and good tumbling shots!!! Because they play most of the time with plastics they are used to this! Its quite normal.
Nothing strange with that.. I can play good shots with plastics as well.. (I can also play good shots with a squash racket as well, but I don't propose to use a steel racket with fish-nets strings, just beacuse its "playable", and less expensive :-) ). I am just saying its differnet and differnt in this case being worse...and not even close to the "real thing"...

Originally Posted by bdbc74
Why must plastics foster wrong technic??? Its the player like chickenpoodle already sayed, if he have the skills or know how to play he dont have to use more arm, instead he have to get faster in the ready position.
If you already have the skill techique, you are of course using it regardles of shuttle. But I found out people who use plastic and are not complete newbies, tend to use slower shuttles to offset their greater smashing speed, to make it at least possible to get some smashes back. This usually makes it hard to use wristy/forearm shots, and players tend to use more body and arm in the shots..so their technique doesnt improve and they usually rely only on a smash, not much on deception..Why bother if you just can win with a flat non-angled smash, thats insanely hard..

Originally Posted by bdbc74
Some people that are quite good can produce very bad sliced clears with this crapy platics that are more dangerous than with feather. This sliced clears fall on the end of the curve like a stone
Apart from, that I don't think its really true as the Plastic has a much flatter trajecotory (on slices as well), dropping like a stone is hardly what I consider a good shuttle :-)

Originally Posted by bdbc74
Generally you can do more slicing with plastics, but you have to get used to it

Maybe you have to try more first
Actually I played for a few years only exclusively with plastics, because i didn't belong to a club way back then, and all my friends played in plastic-league matches..

I don't have any trouble to play well with mavis, performance wise.. But it destroys all fun in the game!!..

Just smash at everything (even out of position, of balance etc).. any mediocre smash has a good chance to win the point, due to the folding mavis effect.. and if the shuttle is much too slow, then it just becomes a who has the strength to do most deep clears, in a row...

/Twobeer

P.S. Are you saying top player in the Bonn area regularly plays plastics??? D.S

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