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Thread: How much do you hate plastic?
10-07-2007, 06:59 PM #103
I get to admit. The exchange is getting more interesting.
10-07-2007, 07:04 PM #104
10-07-2007, 09:14 PM #105
[quote=twobeer;682355]Of course you se few "good" players playing with plastics, as they know better :-)
.. I've played plastic with some of the national top-level players here..
But really good players here NEVER use plastic for training, games (even for fun games)
But this are maybe just 1% from the players in a country. In germany they are about 220.000 club members and national level are the 2 top divisions, 8 teams in the first division + 16 teams in the second, with about 10 players each team, so ca 250 people. (Even in the second division are some players WBF ranked in the top 100, like Navickas Kestutis - 68 orRaul Must - 94). This players are a least semi-pros!
What about the rest? Arnt they any good?
I dare to think that a good player is a player that belong to the best 20% players from a country. Maybe you would consider this to generous
I speak form such a level.
Of course, competitiveley in germany we play just with feather, even in the 2. Hobby-Liga
(the lowest league at the bottom of the 16. divisions-system with the 1. national league at the top)
...and in the hobby-league are really just hobby players...
..Why bother if you just can win with a flat non-angled smash, thats insanely hard..
Apart from, that I don't think its really true as the Plastic has a much flatter trajecotory (on slices as well), dropping like a stone is hardly what I consider a good shuttle :-)
I don't have any trouble to play well with mavis, performance wise.. But it destroys all fun in the game!!..
You can play with fast shuttles, then you have a smash battle like in no competion-game, or you take a slow one and then is looks a bit like women doubles with reaaally long rallys.
Maybe im not that serious about this sport
P.S. Are you saying top player in the Bonn area regularly plays plastics???
Last edited by bdbc74; 10-07-2007 at 09:20 PM.
10-07-2007, 09:14 PM #106
The plastic just fosters wrong technice (more arm, due to the more heavy feel than a feather). and as the trajecory is f-ed of by default any placement shots, or net-playe will pretty much a waste of training (if you are advanced)..
you probably only say it fosters wrong technique because of the following:
greater number of poor technique plastic users than poor technique feather users IN YOUR AREA.
if you went to china, you'd see a ton of players with poor technique using feathers... would you get to say that feathers foster poor technique?
Only lower-level players and recreational players use plastics here.. in torunaments, leagues etc its all feathers.. So generlly if someone comes up tells me he only plays plastic, it's a good give-away he is not a competetetive level player!
If you already have the skill techique, you are of course using it regardles of shuttle. But I found out people who use plastic and are not complete newbies, tend to use slower shuttles to offset their greater smashing speed, to make it at least possible to get some smashes back.
jody patrick, an ex member of the national canadian squad is a recreational player now. why? cuz she's not a national player anymore! but would anyone say she's not competitive level?
and i've seen her play with plastics (mavis 300) on numerous occasions, when she dropped by the university of alberta to play (few years back) with a few of her colleages. its just as good as when she was playing with as50s and other top grade feather shuttles when playing national level tournaments!
about the speed of the shuttle again, who cares if the shuttle can possibly fly super fast?
is it not possible that the smash wasn't that fast, but it felt fast because you were just THAT out of position when you received that smash?
maybe it just means that you have to be just THAT much faster?
you say that good players can play well with plastics, correct? thats my interpretation of what you said.
but then you go and say that they lack deception and small strokes?
i thought small strokes and movements lead to deception, and deception is part of the complete arsenal for a good player.
i've seen plenty of deception when it comes to plastic.
This usually makes it hard to use wristy/forearm shots, and players tend to use more body and arm in the shots..so their technique doesnt improve and they usually rely only on a smash, not much on deception..Why bother if you just can win with a flat non-angled smash, thats insanely hard..
i thought that applies to a ton of stuff in badminton, so why not include this case as well?
and finally, we have no technique, flat smashes, and insanely fast shuttles?
well, who cares? you dont' HAVE to retrieve that.
why hit it? its going to be out...
and if its always out, then how can they rely on winning games with that?
oh wait, you're right. it IS insanely hard to win with that. not only is it insanely hard, but its impossible!
i see lots of contradictions in your argument that needs resolution.
Last edited by chickenpoodle; 10-07-2007 at 09:19 PM.
10-07-2007, 09:21 PM #107
10-07-2007, 09:35 PM #108
10-08-2007, 03:12 AM #109
I am frankly much more interrested in her assesment of the difference of the shuttles,than your assesment of the fact that you saw her use plastic shuttles on a non-training, non competetive situation? :-)
Btw, I think she lost in the round of 32 in the 2004 olympics against Johanna and Fredrik of Sweden
A good player however is more likely to appreciate good shuttles :-)
So if two equally good players meet, using plastics the one just hitting hard and going for one-shot kills and don't rely on deceptive shots will most likely win..
It will just be 300 km/h plus when hitting the baseline
10-08-2007, 03:43 AM #110
The most important thing is to have fun.. and If you feel playing with plastics is just as fun (or more fun) than using feathers, then it's all good, right..
I am just wenting my personal opinion that
a) I personally think it's a lot less fun using plastic
b) they are very different from feather
c) even broken feather shuttles fly more "feather like" than new plastics
d) most good players prefer to use the slightly more expensive goose feather shuttles, because of their "superior" flight properties.
10-08-2007, 12:41 PM #111
ppl, keep fanning the fires.
this thread is more interesting with each passing post
10-08-2007, 02:55 PM #112
10-08-2007, 03:14 PM #113
Please keep us entertained since cooldoob is no longer around .
10-08-2007, 03:36 PM #114
There is fanning the flame and there are total BS. TB is great at first and speaking the truth. While CD6 is total BS...
Keep up the good work twobeer. I will drink one for that.
10-08-2007, 03:38 PM #115
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