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    Quote Originally Posted by drquick View Post
    The reality is not just happen now. including this year, INA already 8 times with no title in WC. even worst in AE INA have no title since 2004 (last winner was Chandra/Sigit back in 2003). Let me add that INA have no Team title (TC,UC,SC) since 2003 (last time INA winning TC=2002, UC=1996, SC=1989). But somehow INA still got title in OG & AG, didn't they ??? All i want to say is that even with no title in WC doesn't mean that INA chance of winning gold medal in AG has closed already, and so if PBSI have target to get gold medal in AG, it would not be an unrealistic target at all.
    Even if INA do not have any gold medal in AG that won't be the biggest drought in INA baddy history. Let's take a look back in mid 80's to early 90's :
    1. WC : no title since 1985-1991
    2. AE : no title since 1986-1989
    3. TC : no title since 1986-1992
    4. AG : no gold medal in 1986 and 1990
    IMO those time must be the darkest era of INA badminton history. The turning point was in 1992 Olympic Games when INA got 2 gold medals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by undeadshot View Post
    Actually, don't you think Malaysia is in the same state as Indonesia, if not worse? It has been so long and we are still relying on only LCW to grab a title each time. Out of all the SS and GP Gold tournaments this year where you see Malaysia flag as the champion, it is... LCW. Only KKK/TBH nagged one at the home open. KKK/TBH can be the saving grace for Malaysia in the future years, but I don't see Malaysia winning any team events soon as we are relying on the old horses : LCW, WCH, HH, WMC, etc.
    Malaysia will have a huge drought after LCW and KKK/TBH's retirement, except maybe MD where there is a ray of light.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    On TC INA current record has equal the past record of missing the cup of 4 times in a row (86-92), and can we confidently say that in 2 yrs (or in the coming yrs) time that record will not be broken??
    ON AE, INA has broken the record of missing the cup 7 times (2004 - now) where previously the longest break was 6 times. And again, looks like INA can miss it out again next years

    If this is not worrying, then when can we say enough is enough???
    As you see in my post above, i said about not winning the AG this year won't make it the biggest drought in INA baddy history. I don't wanna talk about OG yet because it still 2 yrs ahead, i think many can happen between now till 2012, so about the next TC.
    Of course i'm not closing my eyes about the current INA result recently. I fully agree compare to 90's and 70's below INA's result is absolutely bad and ofcourse we have to worry about it -i never said it's something we no need to worry about before, didn't I ???-. but we can still manage to get some big shoots in big events such as Olympic, WC, AG, and our players still count among the best of the world in the sector (MD/XD) also, don't we ???.
    I just tired of hearing people said that INA badminton are dying and not count among the biggest badminton country anymore. but with all of my respect, please look at DEN that never win any world team events (TC/UC/SC) or MAS that never win any Gold in Olympic, WC, and -before 2006- the AG (finally won by KKK/TBH). Can anyone dare to say that DEN and MAS are not one of the biggest country in Badminton ???
    So when will it become the biggest drought in INA baddy history ?? I'll say that if INA fail to get gold in OG 2012, and next WC and TC/SC (no need to mention the UC yet), even if we finally get 1 or 2 AE titles in the next 2 yrs, then with deeply sorry we can say it's the darkest era in our badminton history.
    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    hau-ge, im just the little guy voicing my concern here, but do you think that PBSI is doing all it can and not falling behind in the race? I said race, because its no use if other countries are doing better than INA, you know what i mean. I ask cos you may know more inside story than me
    first it's hardly to say wether PBSI has doing all the best they can. In my personal opinion there's a lot of things that PBSI still can do, like get more sponsors and investment for Pelatnas, more support for the Pro players, raise the ability of players outside java so they can be more equal and more competitive, and more. But according to Hau-ge said, PBSI -and all the sport association in INA I think- needs some reformation inside so they can work more effectively.
    Second, c'mon Yoppy, every efforts that had and will done must have some value.
    For the last Yoppy, with all that I've said, I don't think you'll change the way you look about the current condition in INA badminton, but so do I. For the sake of INA badminton succes in the future, there's nothing wrong about it, right ???
    I hope we can agree about this one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Yes...I saw her match in AJC in KL...she is not bad but far away from susi susanti....I do not see anything special from her yet during the match
    Sorry for my ignorance, what is the AJC? I trained with her and a group of juniors last year in Jakarta, didn't know she was competing in international events. Was she representing Indonesia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by david14700 View Post
    Sorry for my ignorance, what is the AJC? I trained with her and a group of juniors last year in Jakarta, didn't know she was competing in international events. Was she representing Indonesia?
    Asian Junior Championship.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    The problem with our system is that we have new PBSI's chairman every 4 yrs..new chairman has different ideas from past one..so our junior program gets stuck all the time....thats BIG problem...basically new comer..new program...new rules..new ideas...the on going prgram should continue with new chariman or not..
    Doesn't PBSI have a Program Director or an Executive Director that actually runs the day-to-day ops as well as advises the board on long-term and mid-term strategies and implementation? I think Chairmen are mostly political appointees...

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    Quote Originally Posted by drquick View Post
    As you see in my post above, i said about not winning the AG this year won't make it the biggest drought in INA baddy history. I don't wanna talk about OG yet because it still 2 yrs ahead, i think many can happen between now till 2012, so about the next TC.
    Of course i'm not closing my eyes about the current INA result recently. I fully agree compare to 90's and 70's below INA's result is absolutely bad and ofcourse we have to worry about it -i never said it's something we no need to worry about before, didn't I ???-. but we can still manage to get some big shoots in big events such as Olympic, WC, AG, and our players still count among the best of the world in the sector (MD/XD) also, don't we ???.
    I just tired of hearing people said that INA badminton are dying and not count among the biggest badminton country anymore. but with all of my respect, please look at DEN that never win any world team events (TC/UC/SC) or MAS that never win any Gold in Olympic, WC, and -before 2006- the AG (finally won by KKK/TBH). Can anyone dare to say that DEN and MAS are not one of the biggest country in Badminton ???
    So when will it become the biggest drought in INA baddy history ?? I'll say that if INA fail to get gold in OG 2012, and next WC and TC/SC (no need to mention the UC yet), even if we finally get 1 or 2 AE titles in the next 2 yrs, then with deeply sorry we can say it's the darkest era in our badminton history.

    first it's hardly to say wether PBSI has doing all the best they can. In my personal opinion there's a lot of things that PBSI still can do, like get more sponsors and investment for Pelatnas, more support for the Pro players, raise the ability of players outside java so they can be more equal and more competitive, and more. But according to Hau-ge said, PBSI -and all the sport association in INA I think- needs some reformation inside so they can work more effectively.
    Second, c'mon Yoppy, every efforts that had and will done must have some value.
    For the last Yoppy, with all that I've said, I don't think you'll change the way you look about the current condition in INA badminton, but so do I. For the sake of INA badminton succes in the future, there's nothing wrong about it, right ???
    I hope we can agree about this one...
    I really hope Im wrong, but my gut feeling is: I, as an INA baddy fan, will drink to the bottom of the bottle before seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. MERDEKA!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    I really hope Im wrong, but my gut feeling is: I, as an INA baddy fan, will drink to the bottom of the bottle before seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. MERDEKA!!
    I would gladly say the same thing about INA football -i'm a football fans too-, but for badminton I already see a sparkling light at the tunnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drquick View Post
    I would gladly say the same thing about INA football -i'm a football fans too-, but for badminton I already see a sparkling light at the tunnel.
    There is a big different cos in football INA was never a strong footballing nation, so if INA never gets there everyone can understand. But baddy.....oh baddy.........................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    There is a big different cos in football INA was never a strong footballing nation, so if INA never gets there everyone can understand. But baddy.....oh baddy.........................
    INA football may never be strong in the world but there was a time when INA football is recognised and noteable in the high rank of Asia and powerful in south east asia. INA is the first Asia nation play in the World Cup -1938 under nameDutch East Indies also managed to play in Olympic Melbourne. Of course it's not the same level with INA badminton. But now the Standar of INA football are very low even in south east asian region.
    Aniway I still believe in INA badminton ..!!!

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    Nova has resigned from pelatnas..Tontowi will take over his place.
    Nova will go Prof and may play MD with Yoke ( tentatively..so far..)

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    Two things in my opinion:
    - INA youngsters potentials are relatively low (based on recent years result from AJC and WJC)
    - Development of INA INA youngsters to senior level are relatively slow. Example for current 5 years:
    1. INA WS (Firda, MKY, Nana) achievements from their juniors to senior
    2. INA MS (Sony, Simon, Tommy, etc). Sony and Simon were good since their 18-19 ages, but compared to CJ, LCW, LD (about same ages), their achievements are lower.
    3. INA MD (Kindra, RiYo, Bona/Ahsan), only KinDra has really improved in good manner, Kindra were plotted to replace LuVent, and they did it well and even better.
    But not for other MDs.
    4. INA XD, this part is harder, some pair are from different ages (Nova and Lily, Flandy and Vita). But some failures from Devin/Lita to progress as expected.
    5. INA WD. (Rani, Greysia, Lita, Jo Novita, Vita, etc), their achievements for WD didn't show significant result after years in Pelatnas.
    Meanwhile, some potential to be stagnant are on the way (Djarum boys): Hayom, Febe, Shendy, Lindaweni etc.
    I just worry that potential like Rendy, Rian Agung, etc, will be shown backward progress in future.
    So, is Pelatnas doing any good now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Nova has resigned from pelatnas..Tontowi will take over his place.
    Nova will go Prof and may play MD with Yoke ( tentatively..so far..)
    I hope nova also will play mixed with mona santoso

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    Mixed Doubles Shuttler Ready to Fill Nova’s Shoes

    Ami Afriatni | September 30, 2010

    When Tontowi Ahmad learned he had been chosen to assume the place of one of the country’s greatest-ever mixed doubles shuttlers, the 23-year-old knew the distinction would come with big expectations.

    The Indonesian Badminton Association (PBSI) on Wednesday announced it had split the world champion pair of Nova Widianto and Liliyana Natsir.

    With Nova struggling for form, the PBSI picked Tontowi to take his place, hoping the young shuttler could end the country’s poor run of results in mixed doubles.

    “I know I will always be compared to Nova. I know I have big shoes to fill, what with their accomplishments as world champions [2005 and 2007] and Olympic finalists [2008 silver medalists],” Tontowi told the Jakarta Globe on Thursday.

    “But I’ve been given a responsibility that I’m more than willing to accept. It’s time for me to answer this challenge.”
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    *Full article : http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/badmi...s-shoes/399008

    Good luck for Towi/Liliyana in upcoming tourneys

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    Thumbs up PBSI Got New sponsor

    Good news!

    To support the Indonesian Program Gold (Prima), the parent organization XXVI perseta SEA Games officially entered into agreement with State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs).


    Pbsi got new sponsor for backup their Finance beside of Yonex.
    There are two companies that will be the sponsor : PT Smen Gresik Persero Tbk,PT Pertamina Persero.
    It seems pretty good and hopefully PBSI will more often send young players to international tourney.
    but im not sure this cooperation against pbsi and that 2 companies will still continue after sea games.

    http://olahraga.kompas.com/read/2010...N.dan.Cabornya
    Last edited by miksss; 10-12-2010 at 06:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miksss View Post
    Good news!

    To support the Indonesian Program Gold (Prima), the parent organization XXVI perseta SEA Games officially entered into agreement with State-Owned Enterprises (SOEs).

    There are two companies that will be the sponsor : PT Smen Gresik Persero Tbk,PT Pertamina Persero.
    It seems pretty good and hopefully PBSI will more often send young players to international tourney.http://olahraga.kompas.com/read/2010...N.dan.Cabornya
    This is the BESST BESSTTTT news I heard this year!!!! Pertamina and Semen Gresik are awesome companies with strong cash-flow! If they really enforce their nationalistic will to help Indonesian badminton, we shall see funds development like never before. Seriously! The financial power of the owners of Jaya Raya and Djarum are puny compared to these 2 government owned giants!

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    Lets pray the $$$ will end up in the right place

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    PBSI is private and not a government org

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    not only Govt org that can waste $$$
    Last edited by Yoppy; 10-26-2010 at 02:30 AM.

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