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    Cool PBSI Expect Surprises from Tontowi

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    Exclamation Susi and Ivana Critisize The Exercise Format (For Pratama)

    JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - The fall achievement Indonesian badminton championship in the last few make the two former athletes badminton, Susi Susanti and Ivana Lie feel the need to spark reform in terms of coaching at the national training body, especially for pratama.
    According to Susie, PB PBSI should set standards that standard on a coach pratama criteria. Moreover pelatnas pratama forerunner of senior players who will become the foundation of the nation in the international championship.

    "It is not intended to discourage players but apparently pelatnas pratama standards that exist today are much lower than outside pelatnas. So, need to be reviewed on how the selection of coaches pratama like what and what are the criteria?" said the gold medalist in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics this.
    Susi also hope that athletes who are members of pelatnas pratama should have a range under 15 years of age. It is thought possible for coaching can be more effective. "Ideally pratama entry should be under 15 years because the process to become an elite athlete it is quite long, about 7-8 years. It would be better, in each year also made the selection and degradation so that they are more motivated," he explained.
    He added that every coach should not be uniform all young athletes. "Every athlete is different to handle, the program and how to train also different. Do not be generalized," he said.
    While Ivana just hope the coach is to maximize the ability of athletes pratama by placing it in several numbers at once. This is in accordance with a system of coaching is done in some other countries such as South Korea and Thailand.
    "Better athletes pratama derived at least in two numbers. In addition to the opportunity to compete for more, physical and mental abilities they were also more honed. Only when they can find the benefits they can focus on one particular number," says Ivana.
    Commenting on a matter of discourse foreign coach some time ago, badminton players of the 1980s is precisely the PB PBSI expect more major improvements in the internal before it is ready to import a new coach. "What should be considered is to create a conducive atmosphere first before bringing a foreign coach. Also need to review further whether really need to bring in foreign petih or simply by deploying a local coach (former players)," said Ivana.


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    Cool Club, Blood for Pelatnas PBSI

    JAKARTA, KOMPAS.com - In the history of the development of national training badminton in Indonesia, the club proved to be very large role in supplying players.
    Almost all players who join the national training PBSI has been derived from badminton clubs in Indonesia. Usually, players who elected to pelatnas pratama is a player who has good points and ratings are calculated from the results of a national tournament series like kejurnas, Sirnas, and of course that was held other national private parties. In the event that young players from clubs in order to realize the dream clash ability to enter into the national training.

    For the main national training, usually a vacant place will be filled because of system degradation from pelatnas pratama player who is considered to have the ability to go up the class into the main national training. There are times to go to a national training, players do not pass line or pelatnas kejurnas pratama. Usually, players are taken through this shortcut have careers and are quite accomplished.
    Although there are two different paths, they all come from the club. Almost never happens the player who truly independent with no club can penetrate pelatnas, given the intense competition that exist today. This proves how important the club's role in supplying players to fill a place in the national training.
    At present, among a number of badminton clubs that exist, PB Djarum arguably as the most consistent clubs in conducting coaching players. Besides having modern facilities to develop players, PB Djarum also diligent in sending players to follow the tournament, both at home and abroad. Generally, at another club, the player who joined the club in a way to come and register with the club concerned. However, PB Djarum also have an additional form of players who pass the audition and audition were given scholarships to train and live in a dormitory with guaranteed standards and have the opportunity to participate in tournaments, both domestically and abroad.
    "The process of sending our players must watch the level and type of tournament. If the election is right, players will come out 'guts bertandingnya'. If mental playing is growing, the next step is to send players to the tournament to a higher level. The hope of course develop the skills of players, "said Yoppy Rosimin, Chairman of PB Djarum.
    According Yoppy, there is some kind of championship is to be coveted. First, to find the points championship. This is important for ranking players enough to wear to a particular championship. Second, the championship which is used to test the ability of competing players. Third, the championship elite and prestigious option.
    Currently, several players inhabit pelatnas Djarum PB PBSI. One of them was Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka. Since early 2010, this men's singles players into the main national training without passing pelatnas pratama because judged to have a great talent and shows the achievements prior to joining the national training. The latest achievement is to penetrate the final Hayom Indonesia Gold Grand Prix tournament in Samarinda, October 2010, before finally defeat at the hands of Taufik Hidayat.
    Besides Hayom, PB Djarum players other is still incorporated in the national training Olympic bronze medalist, 2008, Maria Kristin. There are also M Ahsan, Fran Kurniawan, Tontowi Ahmad, Meiliana Jauhari, and Shendy Puspa Irawati. "At the club, I got valuable experience. Among these competing experience, both inside and outside the country. This experience has become one of the things that are useful when I pulled into national training, "said Fran, who is playing in mixed doubles with Pia Zebadiah.
    Meanwhile, the dropout PB Djarum had joined a national training and having the world achievements, like Liem Swie King (three-time All England champion), Alan Budikusuma (Olympic gold medalist 1992), and as Eddy Hartono / Rudy Gunawan, Ardy BW, Sigit Budiarto, Hariyanto Arbi, Ivana Lie, Minarti East, and many others. "Actually, our commitment has always never changes, is to look for and nurture talented players. Even if the fine assessed and asked to join the national training, we'll take it off. We did this coaching goals for the sake of bringing glory Indonesian badminton, "said Yoppy again.
    "It has long been the club did have a big enough contribution for PBSI. There is a reciprocal relationship between the two parties. Looking ahead, I hope this relationship can continue to operate in a positive way, "said Ivana Lie, former national team player Djarum and who is now a staff of experts Menpora.
    PB Djarum addition, other clubs are also often donated his players for national training Alfamart Agile PBSI is Jakarta which is the club Ricky Subagdja / Rexy Mainaky (Olympic champion 1996) and Nova Widianto / Lilyana Natsir (world champion 2005 and 2007), Jaya Raya Jakarta as the club's Markis Kido / Hendra Setiawan (2008 Olympic champion and world champion 2007) and Candra Wijaya / Tony Gunawan (Olympic champion 2000), SGS Bandung, which is the club's Taufik Hidayat (2004 Olympic champion and world champion 2005), and the shade Sony Suryanaga Dwi Kuncoro (2004 Olympic silver medalist).
    PBSI Pelatnas Kasubid Christian Hadinata warned that joining the pelatnas PBSI is not the final target of the player. Indeed, the entry of a player to a national training is the beginning of the struggle for achievement. "One if the players were content when he was elected to national training. This is not the final goal of the player. Indeed, in this pelatnas players have to train harder to get the highest accomplishments, "said Christian



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    Depressing result on AG:

    TH and the rest of the contingent out on the QF. The result could have been worst if the 2 MD pairs did not make it to the SF, hopefully they will get good result and make it all INA final. But its 2 mountains to climb, JJS/LYD is in a superb form and KKK/TBH is as good as ever.

    On the mens team event INA lost 3-0 to CHN and the women team lost 3-1 to Thailand

    It makes me sad considering our past glories

    The failure of regeneration is no doubt occured, i just hope its being realised and rectify

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoppy View Post
    Depressing result on AG:

    TH and the rest of the contingent out on the QF. The result could have been worst if the 2 MD pairs did not make it to the SF, hopefully they will get good result and make it all INA final. But its 2 mountains to climb, JJS/LYD is in a superb form and KKK/TBH is as good as ever.

    On the mens team event INA lost 3-0 to CHN and the women team lost 3-1 to Thailand

    It makes me sad considering our past glories

    The failure of regeneration is no doubt occured, i just hope its being realised and rectify
    hmm yeah..but theres alot of good players(quality good) in pratama and other club players are "Q-ing" to be sent :

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    This thread still exist!!! can't believe it I created this threat lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by d65up2 View Post
    This thread still exist!!! can't believe it I created this threat lol
    hahaha welcome back bro!

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    Susi has spoken a lot of mismanagement of PBSI...I am glad that she cares

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    PBSI should fire Lilik Sudarwati.......I do not think she knows what she is doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Susi has spoken a lot of mismanagement of PBSI...I am glad that she cares
    Hau-ge,could u share some with us??

    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    PBSI should fire Lilik Sudarwati.......I do not think she knows what she is doing
    who is she??never heard her name before

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilcan View Post
    Hau-ge,could u share some with us??


    who is she??never heard her name before
    Yeah, come on Hauge. We would like to know too PBSI in Susi's perspective.

    For Lilik Sudarwati, I believe she is Kepala Sub Bidang Psikologi in PBSI. Well, maybe she is responsible for the lack of mental strength in our athletes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Susi has spoken a lot of mismanagement of PBSI...I am glad that she cares
    Yeah glad to hear that she cares,i hope she 'do' something also.
    hmm let her husband manage the Astec

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Susi has spoken a lot of mismanagement of PBSI...I am glad that she cares
    My view on mismanagement on PBSI.

    1. Please give one place on PBSI Vice Head to badminton people, this time both Vice Head are placed by Military person. Many some good idea from bottom couldn't read by PBSI Head, it likes bottle neck.

    For comparation :
    When Mr. Try Sutrisno era (he was the military too), he didn't brink any his friend from his squad in Army to PBSI but he choosed the right person on Organization and Development. We can see the glory on Barcelona 1992 after INA down 0n 80s to early 90s.
    When Mr, Sutiyoso era, he also didn't bring his friends into PBSI organization. So many big effort from him especially on PBSI funding, collected it from many bussines companies in Jakarta.

    2. General Secretary, please do on your area don't much influence on Technical Section. I think it's clear the portion of this department. We wants see PBSI is clean and clear like in the past when some people said that PBSI was exception among typical of some sport organization in Indonesia. But this time is different story.

    3. Development Department (Binpres). I think enough the current head take this position. Thanks for your doing but I think many badminton people are better than him. We need more fresh, new, energetic technics & idea in this department, We can see them on many people on big clubs in Indonesia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    PBSI should fire Lilik Sudarwati.......I do not think she knows what she is doing
    Agree, I think PBSI don't need her too.
    Can she rise up the mental of players during she stay together ?
    Maybe we need the more experience Psychologist to assist them on big event but no need to stay together with them on long time.
    She came on Pelatnas after Seleknas 2009, most of us know this is whose idea. Sorry to say Seleknas 2009 is the worst PBSI Recriutment, too much and too old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    PBSI should fire Lilik Sudarwati.......I do not think she knows what she is doing
    Uhm, yes...

    Quote Originally Posted by PoLLuX View Post
    For Lilik Sudarwati, I believe she is Kepala Sub Bidang Psikologi in PBSI. Well, maybe she is responsible for the lack of mental strength in our athletes?
    She is supposed to be improving everyone's mental strength... but she added some chaos here and there...

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post
    My view on mismanagement on PBSI.

    1. Please give one place on PBSI Vice Head to badminton people, this time both Vice Head are placed by Military person. Many some good idea from bottom couldn't read by PBSI Head, it likes bottle neck.

    For comparation :
    When Mr. Try Sutrisno era (he was the military too), he didn't brink any his friend from his squad in Army to PBSI but he choosed the right person on Organization and Development. We can see the glory on Barcelona 1992 after INA down 0n 80s to early 90s.
    When Mr, Sutiyoso era, he also didn't bring his friends into PBSI organization. So many big effort from him especially on PBSI funding, collected it from many bussines companies in Jakarta.

    2. General Secretary, please do on your area don't much influence on Technical Section. I think it's clear the portion of this department. We wants see PBSI is clean and clear like in the past when some people said that PBSI was exception among typical of some sport organization in Indonesia. But this time is different story.

    3. Development Department (Binpres). I think enough the current head take this position. Thanks for your doing but I think many badminton people are better than him. We need more fresh, new, energetic technics & idea in this department, We can see them on many people on big clubs in Indonesia.
    You're right on all 3 points, Sandy...

    The solution rests solely on Pak Joko Santoso now... He will have to make the hard [probably unpopular] breakthrough decisions. His options are actually limited.

    The good workers are afraid to enter this jungle called PBSI. Life outside PBSI is quite comfortable for many... No need to make their life difficult by entering an organization with little vision with quite a long-running history of weak management [PBSI]...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    Uhm, yes...



    She is supposed to be improving everyone's mental strength... but she added some chaos here and there...



    You're right on all 3 points, Sandy...

    The solution rests solely on Pak Joko Santoso now... He will have to make the hard [probably unpopular] breakthrough decisions. His options are actually limited.

    The good workers are afraid to enter this jungle called PBSI. Life outside PBSI is quite comfortable for many... No need to make their life difficult by entering an organization with little vision with quite a long-running history of weak management [PBSI]...
    The problem with Lilik..she is using "women's power" to influence certain people for certain policies which is not suitable for Badminton...basically she destroys PBSI..seriously whose idea to hire certain coaches in Pratama? what criterias? WE need good coaches to train Pratama...
    also she directs Badminton into academy...this is badminton not some sort of badminton management...
    Also she uses so many English phrases whgich some of them i do not think she knows.,,,,let alone those INA badminton players..

    Anyway..some of them had been used by her direct and indirectly...

    Also I think PBSI Management should leave training dept alone to those coaches which understand Badminton more than the Management...a lot of them think they know what they are doing... do not think so..even getting main sponsor is tough for them and they make it tough for NO REASON....

    Also miscommunication is BIG PROBLEM....seriously you tell one sentence to A then A to B, B to C, C to d..trust me at the end D to E will be totally different..

    PBSI should use DIRECT Communication, no middleman...listen to coaches/players without any fitlers and Mr. JOKO should make himself available for certain meetings...so far I have not heard PBSI is having General Meeting...

    Also coaches should do specific program for each players....like Maria Kristin can not be trained under Marleve's method which suitable for attacking players...

    Anyway the way I see is...many unnecessary things can be done and no need to be there...anyway..I can go on and on and on....

    We are very very lucky to win 1 gold medal at Asian Games
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    Default Does Siregar really have any legacy with PBSI?

    M F Siregar is still listed as "Special Staff" on the PBSI website, although this respected soul passed away some weeks ago. What has he given PBSI, and are any of his ideas being implemented?

    http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...velopment.html

    MF Siregar passes on his golden legacy to sport development
    The Jakarta Post | Mon, 10/04/2010 9:18 AM | Headlines

    Indonesian sports guru Mangombar Ferdinand Siregar, 81, passed away on Sunday at 2 p.m. after being hospitalized for a month suffering organ failures. He is survived by his five children.
    Siregar’s remains will be buried at Petamburan Cemetery, likely on Tuesday, pending the arrival of his eldest daughter, Lisa Farida, from California.
    Siregar — who dedicated six decades of his life to sports development — was the architect behind Indonesia’s glory at the 1992 Olympic Games in Barcelona.
    His ideas have been implemented in various national sports development programs and have helped Indonesia excel at an international level.
    Susy Susanti, the 1992 Olympic gold medalist, dedicated her gold medal to Siregar, who had been banned by doctors from watching the match because of his heart illness.
    “At that time I had only thought of fighting my hardest for opa [‘grandpa’, as Siregar was familiarly known].”
    Siregar was also behind Indonesia’s success at the Southeast Asian (SEA) Games. Since it first took part in the biennial event in 1977, Indonesia has only bowed down twice to host Thailand in 1985 and 1995. Siregar remembered how then president Soeharto had been very upset at the result.
    “If you knew that we might have lost, why didn’t you do anything to prevent it,” Siregar said quoting Soeharto. Later on, Soeharto issued a Presidential Instruction and ordered all ministers help in the preparations for the 1987 SEA Games.
    Siregar, born on Nov. 11, 1928, had always loved sports. During his youth, his only dream was to play soccer at the Vios soccer field, now Menteng Park, and to swim at Manggarai swimming pool — both were for Dutch residents only. He was very proud of his success in holding a swimming competition at the Manggarai pool, despite the ban there which read “natives/dogs forbidden.”
    His dedication earned him an honorary doctorate from the Jakarta State University and the Olympic Order from the International Olympic Committee.
    Before being taken to Abdi Waluyo Hospital in Menteng, Central Jakarta, on Aug. 30, Siregar was still writing on what the government should do to develop sports. He suggested learning from the United States where parents monitor their children’s physical activities from birth.
    His final dream was to introduce sporting values — responsibility, discipline and fairness — into other aspects of people’s lives.
    “If those values are implemented, [the older generation] can leave this nation peacefully because the next generation will be tough, disciplined, hard-working and peaceful. Siregar said. — JP

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