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    very good idea from PBSI, how is your perfomance conclude how much money you will gain. Agree with Butet, it will more fair for shuttlers themselves. Wanna ask, do Rijal/Debby share the same amount of contract with Towi/Butet...?? Just imagine Towi/Butet who has won 4 titles this year(included SEA Games) share the same amount of contract with Rijal/Debby.

    then,how if PBSI rarely send the young players to international tourney? how to gauge then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Where did you get the news?? China is not going to participate in qualifying...China is trying to limit their players playing more...thats why they gave so many WOs....China players got their points for olympic qualifying also....their points are quite high
    i read this in some news portal if i aint wrong..well, it's gonna be good if they wont participate in this qualifying..

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    Default More Portion to Back Up Team

    the summary :

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    It remains to be tiered,at least they go down first in the international challenge in Asia.If there is Grand Prix,they should be sent to Europe.If you're ready,just try to super series"

    "In 2011 players get chance to play in 10 Gp tourney, in 2012 it could be more if they have good achievement"

    "Still,those who will be send will be adjusted to their achievement, Who are the best, the chances are greater to continue to be sent"


    source : http://www.kaltimpost.co.id/index.ph...tail&id=121275

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    As I mentioned that PBSI will change the contract system and hopefully this will motivate the players for better performance....

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    PBSI has plan to called Tommy back to pelatnas, and perhaps Sony or Hayom will be demoted. But from both of these players,probably PBSI will demote Sony. And the quota for players in PBSI next year is 68 players.

    source : http://sport.indopos.co.id/?p=14202

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    I personally don't think it's a good idea for Tommy Sugiarto to return back to Pelatnas. One concern is that he might not be able to retain his WR17 once he returns back to Pelatnas as he will probably miss out on competing for the IC tourneys in Europe and other IC tourneys in Asia Pacific.

    For the record, Tommy competed in 21 international tourneys in 2011, with levels ranging from IC to SSP. He still has yet to show consistency in SS levels (i.e. only reached R16 once in 8 attempts), which means that in order to maintain his ranking, he needs to win at least a few titles in IC & GP/GPG levels (like he did in 2010 & 2011).

    Tourneys highlighted represent those that he won.
    IC level tourneys (5) - Iran Fajr, New Zealand, Spain, Indonesia, and Italy

    GPG level tourneys (8) - Australia, Malaysia, Thailand, Chinese-Taipei, Indonesia, Macau, Korea and India.

    SS and SSP level tourneys (8) - Malaysia, Korea, Singapore, Indonesia, Japan, Denmark, French, and China.

    Break-down of achievements:
    WINNER - Iran Fajr IC, Indonesia IC, Chinese-Taipei GPG
    F - Indonesia GPG
    SF - New Zealand IC, Australia GPG, Italian Int
    QF - Spanish Open, Korea GPG
    R16
    - Thailand GPG, Malaysia GPG, Denmark SS, Macau GPG, India GPG
    R32 - Malaysia SS, Korea SSP, Singapore SS, Indonesia SSP, Japan SS, French SS, China SSP

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    actually, i agree if PBSI demote Hayom.... it's better for him....
    Djarum will send him to many IC, GP and GP Gold level tourneys just like what Djarum did when Andre Kurniawan was still in Top 20 on 2009. He will also play in SS/SSP level in Asia.

    I dont think Hayom is ready enough to play in SS level all the time. we can see a terrible results from him. playing in IC/GP/GPG level will give him a boost of confidence.

    It's pity to see such good skill and talent like Hayom can not play well in SS level...

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    Yes, looks Sony is too hard to go back his best performance after had long injury..

    Tommy will return to Pelatnas? I like it

    Give Hayom more chance, he is still young for now

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    Agree that maybe it's better for Tommy to stay out from Pelatnas. Hayom perhaps better to go back to Djarum.
    If Sonny can follow how Tommy manage the tournament, better for him to be independent.
    But, I do hope if they practiced together and provide good input each other to improve. For second thought, I doubt this will work if no improvement on the mentality

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    Reasons given by various INA players on their losses today:
    Kido/Hendra - "“Kami bermain kurang in hari ini sehingga banyak pukulan yang ragu-ragu dan mati sendiri. Selain itu, jika dibandingkan kemarin, lawan hari ini lebih bisa mengatur bola sementara kami maunya main cepat terus” kata Hendra tentang kekalahannya."

    Vita/Nadya - "Kami sebetulnya kurang sabar dan kurang tenang, karena sudah unggul di gim pertama kami ingin buru-buru mematikan bola. Pada gim ketiga kami kalah stamina, fisik sudah terkuras dan sulit untuk fokus, sementara pasangan Korea ini kuat sekali"

    AG/Alvent - “Pada saat unggul 18-15, kami terlalu buru-buru ingin menyelesaikan permainan. Sebisa mungkin kami harus menang straight game, karena kalau bermain rubber game, fisik mereka jauh lebih kuat dibanding kami. Pada gim ketiga kami sudah habis, kalah stamina

    Same old story if INA players lost:
    1. Too impatient when leading at crucial times
    2. No stamina in third game.

    Helloo?????? Lee Yong Dae has played another match today and yet he gritted his teeth and fought back when trailing 15-18 to force a rubber-game. You have only played one match and already complained of no stamina in rubber-set?

    I am truly disappointed by the excuses given by these INA players. They are simply not disciplined and lack fighting spirit when trailing.

    What they are good at is in changing their status in FB, tweeting, or BB-ing.

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    Compare Kido/Hendra's achievement since winning the Beijing Olympics Gold Medal 4 years ago and Fu/Cai's achievement and you will see that our INA players are too easily contented.

    The titles won since 2009 are pretty obvious:
    WC titles - Fu/Cai (3), Kido/Hendra (0)
    AE title - Fu/Cai (1), Kido/Hendra (0)
    SS titles since 2009 - Fu/Cai (7), Kido/Hendra (2)
    Sudirman Cup - Fu/Cai (2), Kido/Hendra (0)
    Thomas Cup - Fu/Cai (1), Kido/Hendra (0)
    Asian Games Team - Fu/Cai (1), Kido/Hendra (0)
    Asian Games Individual - Fu/Cai (0), Kido/Hendra (1)

    What a significant difference.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Reasons given by various INA players on their losses today:
    Kido/Hendra - "“Kami bermain kurang in hari ini sehingga banyak pukulan yang ragu-ragu dan mati sendiri. Selain itu, jika dibandingkan kemarin, lawan hari ini lebih bisa mengatur bola sementara kami maunya main cepat terus” kata Hendra tentang kekalahannya."

    Vita/Nadya - "Kami sebetulnya kurang sabar dan kurang tenang, karena sudah unggul di gim pertama kami ingin buru-buru mematikan bola. Pada gim ketiga kami kalah stamina, fisik sudah terkuras dan sulit untuk fokus, sementara pasangan Korea ini kuat sekali"

    AG/Alvent - “Pada saat unggul 18-15, kami terlalu buru-buru ingin menyelesaikan permainan. Sebisa mungkin kami harus menang straight game, karena kalau bermain rubber game, fisik mereka jauh lebih kuat dibanding kami. Pada gim ketiga kami sudah habis, kalah stamina

    Same old story if INA players lost:
    1. Too impatient when leading at crucial times
    2. No stamina in third game.

    Helloo?????? Lee Yong Dae has played another match today and yet he gritted his teeth and fought back when trailing 15-18 to force a rubber-game. You have only played one match and already complained of no stamina in rubber-set?

    I am truly disappointed by the excuses given by these INA players. They are simply not disciplined and lack fighting spirit when trailing.

    What they are good at is in changing their status in FB, tweeting, or BB-ing.
    To add the misery, they are the senior that should be role model for their juniors.
    Just look at the most idolized INA MS: TH. His talent and style inspire many youngsters, but he is simply not a good role model for a fighting spirit, never-say-die, ability to turn the situation back when trailing, etc. I would prefer those youngsters to look at Hendrawan, or Liem Swie King instead and copy their attitude.

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    with the lost of towi/butet and simon, INA Badminton is confirmed to be in really big trouble.


    it will be much more trouble if the youngsters can not excel fast in the next 2 years.
    PBSI should really consider to focus grooming the youngsters.
    better do it fast... dont be late !


    i am not that worry about our talents...
    what i am worry about is PBSI !
    Their initiatives in regeneration are very bad in the last 5 years or so....
    only butet and kido/hemdra can be really a top player...
    other players just become a mediocre top 10 player...
    and when they are decreasing, we dont have any players who are ready enough to takeover them !

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    Indeed...it's the management of PBSI that "screws" everything up.

    From the waste of money to recruit Pratama players (that ended up being returned to clubs), the messy contract system, lack of systematic development of young players in terms of career path, etc.

    Can INA badminton actually go any lower??? There's a chance we might if no immediate steps are taken!

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    I fear, this OG2012 will be the first Olympic without gold medal from badminton. The worst is also likely, without any medal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fathonezic View Post
    with the lost of towi/butet and simon, INA Badminton is confirmed to be in really big trouble.


    it will be much more trouble if the youngsters can not excel fast in the next 2 years.
    PBSI should really consider to focus grooming the youngsters.
    better do it fast... dont be late !


    i am not that worry about our talents...
    what i am worry about is PBSI !

    Their initiatives in regeneration are very bad in the last 5 years or so....
    only butet and kido/hemdra can be really a top player...
    other players just become a mediocre top 10 player...
    and when they are decreasing, we dont have any players who are ready enough to takeover them !
    I agree with you.. Based on PBSI current performance & its track record in the past decades or so, Local coach that identify a kid with a great talent in Badminton might face discouragement from child's parents, because parents worrying so much of their child's future, which they have to.

    We have also heard many times that a badminton local player who is good enough, unable to enter Pelatnas due to monetary problems, you know what that mean, don't you.

    PBSI system must be reformed...

    Additionally, many INA current players does not have discipline as their seniors have on those days. They are too fast to be complacent. Look at MK/HS , TH....

    INA player's mentality have to be reformed as well.

    For a comparison, have a look at LD, no matter how many International Big Titles he has achieved & no matter how much money he has collected from advertisements, he still thirst for more Titles & Glories...He is still discipline & keep on focus on what he wanted to achieve next, although it means another big International Titles which he has achieved one or couple of times.

    Finally, Regeneration have to be done really fast, in order for youngsters to have their seniors as sparring partners.
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    I actually think that the system of rewards and punishment should be meted out to under-performing players like Hayom especially. If he fails to reach the target after 3-4 tourneys, ground him for 2-3 months. If he still fails after being grounded, don't renew his contract. This will create an incentive for players (esp those with lack of fighting spirit) to actually fight to win the match, esp when facing big guns.

    Even players like Towi/Butet need this kind of incentive as it means that failing to fulfill their seeding (like in the Korea SSP) will have a huge consequence!

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