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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Reasons given by various INA players on their losses today:
    Kido/Hendra - "“Kami bermain kurang in hari ini sehingga banyak pukulan yang ragu-ragu dan mati sendiri. Selain itu, jika dibandingkan kemarin, lawan hari ini lebih bisa mengatur bola sementara kami maunya main cepat terus” kata Hendra tentang kekalahannya."

    Vita/Nadya - "Kami sebetulnya kurang sabar dan kurang tenang, karena sudah unggul di gim pertama kami ingin buru-buru mematikan bola. Pada gim ketiga kami kalah stamina, fisik sudah terkuras dan sulit untuk fokus, sementara pasangan Korea ini kuat sekali"

    AG/Alvent - “Pada saat unggul 18-15, kami terlalu buru-buru ingin menyelesaikan permainan. Sebisa mungkin kami harus menang straight game, karena kalau bermain rubber game, fisik mereka jauh lebih kuat dibanding kami. Pada gim ketiga kami sudah habis, kalah stamina

    Same old story if INA players lost:
    1. Too impatient when leading at crucial times
    2. No stamina in third game.

    Helloo?????? Lee Yong Dae has played another match today and yet he gritted his teeth and fought back when trailing 15-18 to force a rubber-game. You have only played one match and already complained of no stamina in rubber-set?

    I am truly disappointed by the excuses given by these INA players. They are simply not disciplined and lack fighting spirit when trailing.

    What they are good at is in changing their status in FB, tweeting, or BB-ing.
    OMG.. What an excuse is that...They are playing doubles not singles, second, it is rally point not the old systems...

    I can't comment much on them, we must send all youngsters to the international circuits more often. Keep the seniors as their sparring partners...Based on the post given by badMania, it seems that those seniors did not know what to do already, if it is the first time they lost like this, We can still hope they do better next...
    If it is the third times or fourth, then .....

    Additionally at the other side of the court although your opponents might be the same, they may not be the same inside...

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    I actually think that the system of rewards and punishment should be meted out to under-performing players like Hayom especially. If he fails to reach the target after 3-4 tourneys, ground him for 2-3 months. If he still fails after being grounded, don't renew his contract. This will create an incentive for players (esp those with lack of fighting spirit) to actually fight to win the match, esp when facing big guns.

    Even players like Towi/Butet need this kind of incentive as it means that failing to fulfill their seeding (like in the Korea SSP) will have a huge consequence!
    It is a good suggestion, badMania...
    Rewards & punishment might work in company as well as at court.
    Although it may or may not fix the problem in the short run, it will give some sort of like role model to the youngsters, for sure....

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    I actually think that the system of rewards and punishment should be meted out to under-performing players like Hayom especially. If he fails to reach the target after 3-4 tourneys, ground him for 2-3 months. If he still fails after being grounded, don't renew his contract. This will create an incentive for players (esp those with lack of fighting spirit) to actually fight to win the match, esp when facing big guns.

    Even players like Towi/Butet need this kind of incentive as it means that failing to fulfill their seeding (like in the Korea SSP) will have a huge consequence!
    hahah...
    i agree !!!!!!
    i dont understand why PBSI keep sending Hayom to SS/SSP while we know that he is not good enough for that....

    after failing in 2-3 SS/SSP, lost in 1st round, better sending him in 2-3 GP/GPG or maybe just train harder in Cipayung...

    if we use this reward and punishment system, they will know that they have to perform if they want to be sent ! just train harder and be focus !

    and also, i want to know, is there any psikolog in Cipayung ??
    I think its very important if they get mental coaching regularly...
    I am sure, after losing and losing, they will be very sad, and sometimes can not train focusly....

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    Hayom is not even good enough in a competitive GPG tourney like Malaysia, Chinese-Taipei, Macau, or Korea.

    Hayom's record in Asian GPG tourneys besides the one that he won in Indonesia.
    Malaysia & Chinese-Taipei - R64
    Korea - R32
    Macau & India - R16

    He NEVER progressed beyond R16!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Hayom is not even good enough in a competitive GPG tourney like Malaysia, Chinese-Taipei, Macau, or Korea.

    Hayom's record in Asian GPG tourneys besides the one that he won in Indonesia.
    Malaysia & Chinese-Taipei - R64
    Korea - R32
    Macau & India - R16

    He NEVER progressed beyond R16!

    So, who do you think a young player is better than Hayom now?
    Looks not only Hayom is problem but also a senior player like Simon still cannot to do much... IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by luvina View Post
    So, who do you think a young player is better than Hayom now?
    Looks not only Hayom is problem but also a senior player like Simon still cannot to do much... IMHO
    from some INA Bad league video, i think Vito and Wisnu is good enough to take over him soon.
    better than Hayom ?? dont know yet...
    I am impressed with Wisnu's endurance and hardwork. but lack of power...
    While Vito has a very smooth footwork (can only watch short video).
    Wisnu lost tightly to Simon in INA Bad League, 21-19 and something (forgot the score)

    actually, hayom's skill is very good. Even, simon lost to hayom last year in Kejurnas.
    but his mentality is quite weak. when he play very well, we can say easily that Hayom can be a Top 10 player....
    but when he play badly, even, i will not dare enough to say that he deserve to be a top 30 or 40...

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    read this

    Responding to the condition that,Yacob Rusdianto Secretary of PB PBSI did not want too complain about the results.For him,the best Indonesia shuttlers currently is only able to reach that point.

    However,he is optimistic,in the Indonesia will shows purs team match .Therefore, mental and spirit of different players.''It's best shuttlers we have.We try to make this.We bring our coaches and inadequate to their needs.Hopefully in the next tournament can be better,''said a man from
    Surabaya.

    source :
    http://sport.indopos.co.id/?p=14345

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    Greysia comment after lost her macth in QF.

    “I have to have more to regain my power. My injury has healed, but my power is still at 70 percent. At the match just now, the opponents apparently had learned about my condition, thus strategically kept feeding us lobs,” said Greysia, as quoted by the official website of the Indonesian Badminton Association (PBSI) on Friday.

    “Today we’ve lost, but I have enjoyed this process and am determined to continue to rebuild my confidence. I won’t be worrying or regretting too much during this post-injury period.”


    source : http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...terfinals.html

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    All INA player should take Peter Gade as one good example. Peter always analyze his strength 2-3 weeks before tournament, and put long term plan to improve/maintain his fitness, technique, speed, etc. He always target few percents of improvement of all area everytime. Although his age degrade his physical, with good analytic and preparation long term and short term, he always did good. He never say old like Taufik. Even Taufik said that he's already old 5-6 years ago (after his WC 2005). What an excuse of preparation! TH did plan to downgrade I would say. And so did Hendra/Kido. They were INA heroes with their medals and major titles, but they gave poison of losing excuses to the youngsters!
    As for the women, they (like badMania said), FB, BB and tweet too much. They did culinary adventure too much. Relatively to those world class player, of course.
    But maybe this also amplified by there are too many malls in Indonesia . And there, with these bad habits, excuses are their escape. ANd simply forgot preparation and plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Reasons given by various INA players on their losses today:
    Kido/Hendra - "“Kami bermain kurang in hari ini sehingga banyak pukulan yang ragu-ragu dan mati sendiri. Selain itu, jika dibandingkan kemarin, lawan hari ini lebih bisa mengatur bola sementara kami maunya main cepat terus” kata Hendra tentang kekalahannya."

    Vita/Nadya - "Kami sebetulnya kurang sabar dan kurang tenang, karena sudah unggul di gim pertama kami ingin buru-buru mematikan bola. Pada gim ketiga kami kalah stamina, fisik sudah terkuras dan sulit untuk fokus, sementara pasangan Korea ini kuat sekali"

    AG/Alvent - “Pada saat unggul 18-15, kami terlalu buru-buru ingin menyelesaikan permainan. Sebisa mungkin kami harus menang straight game, karena kalau bermain rubber game, fisik mereka jauh lebih kuat dibanding kami. Pada gim ketiga kami sudah habis, kalah stamina

    Same old story if INA players lost:
    1. Too impatient when leading at crucial times
    2. No stamina in third game.

    Helloo?????? Lee Yong Dae has played another match today and yet he gritted his teeth and fought back when trailing 15-18 to force a rubber-game. You have only played one match and already complained of no stamina in rubber-set?

    I am truly disappointed by the excuses given by these INA players. They are simply not disciplined and lack fighting spirit when trailing.

    What they are good at is in changing their status in FB, tweeting, or BB-ing.
    Those excuses are relevant only for youngsters.
    As for the third one, CY/FHF are about same age with Alvent/Hendra AG (I guess CY/FHF older 1-2 years combined). But they are still strong physically and maintain at high level. So why did Alvent/Hendra AG considered them physically weaker than JJS/LYD, while CY/FHF are able to match the Koreans without complains? Oh, I get it, they are weaker in winning attitude.
    With these excuses:
    1. When young, lack of experience, lack of tournament, lack of skill, etc
    2. When at golden age, (24-30), various reasons mostly related to stamina, strength, fitness due to many things.
    So, when these excuses will not be used then?
    Maybe too much fireworks during New Year party, eh?
    Last edited by naistav; 01-07-2012 at 10:50 AM.

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    The worst reason was the one given by Bona/Ahsan: "kurang bermain lepas".

    What kind of excuse is that? These excuses really made my blood boil.....come on guys...you are professional players and ranked in the top 8 some more!

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    We just witnessed another yet first class display by the two arguably best MD pairs in the World at the moment and I am just wondering if an INA pair is put in the situation like Fu/Cai in the rubber-set, trailing 4-11, can they come back and win the match?

    Talking about mental and fighting spirit, all INA youngsters must really watch these kinda matches and realize that as long as the match is not over, they still have some fighting chance to reclaim the match! The worst thing to do when trailing big time is to give up....which is sadly what our INA players tend to do at this moment.

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    It's less than 8 months to London OG. And apparently, pressure has been building up... even to the fans.

    It's interesting to note that I saw less (if any) doubtful posts like these before Beijing 2008. Most likely because that time we still had Kido/Hendra and Nova/Butet as our spearheads, and they indeed had bright prospect for medal. While now...

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    Seems Olympic not much important anymore but how can succesfully produce generation soon.. Then, with the title itself will come to us.

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    I worry about Indonesian Uber team doesn't qualified to the final round...

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    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/foru...y-country-name)

    It seems China will be participating in men's team qualification for Thomas Cup. I think to ensure CJ and CB/GZD gain points they require to secure Olympic spot

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