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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    If you consider Olympic bronze medalist is 'good' enough, then we have this lovely lady by the name of Maria Kristin Yulianti.
    i know someone will give this answer
    but she never became a top 10 player....
    1st or 2nd round loser in super series.... (except the notable runner up ina open 2008)

    but, yes, i still think she is good...

    only one ?? wilcan said "we still got good players"
    means, should be more than one

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    Quote Originally Posted by fathonezic View Post
    only one ?? wilcan said "we still got good players"
    means, should be more than one
    And if you notice, he didn't specify in which discipline.

    So here you are: Towi/Butet. 1987/1985 combo (info from wikipedia). Currently AE XD champ. Not 'good' enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fathonezic View Post
    i know someone will give this answer
    but she never became a top 10 player....
    1st or 2nd round loser in super series.... (except the notable runner up ina open 2008)

    but, yes, i still think she is good...

    only one ?? wilcan said "we still got good players"
    means, should be more than one
    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    And if you notice, he didn't specify in which discipline.

    So here you are: Towi/Butet. 1987/1985 combo (info from wikipedia). Currently AE XD champ. Not 'good' enough?
    yes jagdpanther help me answer this,
    i did not specify which discipline
    WS is really bad, only Susi and Mia was world beater. Very hard to imagine INA can produce another good WS in the next 10years or maybe 20years.

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    My opinion: Back in the 90's, many kids grew watching Susi or Alan playing & winning OG gold, imagining, "I'll be the next Susi/Alan!"
    And we had Taufik... and to some extent, Maria.

    Time goes by.... Mid-90's till now, younger kids grew watching success story of Ricky/Rexy, Tony/Candra, Kido/Hendra, Trikus/Minarti, and Nova/Butet. And here we go... abundance of talent in MD and XD.

    Got the picture?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    And if you notice, he didn't specify in which discipline.

    So here you are: Towi/Butet. 1987/1985 combo (info from wikipedia). Currently AE XD champ. Not 'good' enough?
    but i think we talk about WS, right ??
    that's the only concern given by badMania....
    for other discipline, no need to specify the year born date...
    we never dry of talent.... only WS we dont have any talent, even to be top 30...
    even, today, we have very good batch talents in MD, XD, and fairly good in MS...
    for WD, our WD are not bad also... we have 1 in Top 10 and another 2 in top 20...

    but, i want to say sorry for misunderstanding
    Last edited by fathonezic; 05-09-2012 at 05:20 AM.

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    actually not only now INA do not has WS talent
    check out outstanding player we had from the past
    i can only mention 2, Mia and Susi
    i do not know any WS player name out from these two..

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilcan View Post
    actually not only now INA do not has WS talent
    check out outstanding player we had from the past
    i can only mention 2, Mia and Susi
    i do not know any WS player name out from these two..
    OK, good point. Only those 2 players who consistently winning titles and also helped to win Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup.

    But young Susi was not that highly outstanding. During her junior days and when she started to play in international tournaments.

    Susi was a bit late achiever.

    At the moment, nobody will know whether any of young INA WS can achieve later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sen View Post
    OK, good point. Only those 2 players who consistently winning titles and also helped to win Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup.

    But young Susi was not that highly outstanding. During her junior days and when she started to play in international tournaments.

    Susi was a bit late achiever.

    At the moment, nobody will know whether any of young INA WS can achieve later.
    If i'm not wrong,
    Susi became World junior champions in 3 diciplines (WS,WD,XD)
    When she played in Sudirman Cup 1989,she only 18 years old...

    I think she was not late achiever..

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelvIndonesia View Post
    If i'm not wrong,
    Susi became World junior champions in 3 diciplines (WS,WD,XD)
    When she played in Sudirman Cup 1989,she only 18 years old...

    I think she was not late achiever..
    Yeah, not that late but her winning senior tournament and AE was after a couple of years losing.
    Compared to LCW not that late but compare to Mia or Taufik.

    I meant some players only consistently winning titles after a few years of experience while some suddenly becomes a winner during 16 or 18 years old but could not consistently win later in carreer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MelvIndonesia View Post
    If i'm not wrong,
    Susi became World junior champions in 3 diciplines (WS,WD,XD)
    When she played in Sudirman Cup 1989,she only 18 years old...

    I think she was not late achiever..
    you are wrong....
    WJC was started in 1992, while you said that susi was 18 yo in 89.... no way she could be a WJC champions, right ??

    playing in sudirman cup at 18 yo doesnt mean she was a fast achiever.

    it's just a sign that she was one of the best in the country.
    just look at febe, now she is the best (according to WR), but, is she a good WS among other countries's WS ?

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    After checking, Susi was born 1971. So she was 18 when she played in Sudirman Cup winning team. She won AE in 1990 so she was 19.

    Yeah, not that late achiever. I think she was already leading INA WS player when she was 18. That's why she was in Sudirman Cup.

    But I think she already played in international tournament when she was 17. She did not win major titles yet until that 1990. Because her winning point in Sudirman Cup against Korea was a big surprise. So her rank still low in 1989.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sen View Post
    OK, good point. Only those 2 players who consistently winning titles and also helped to win Uber Cup and Sudirman Cup.

    But young Susi was not that highly outstanding. During her junior days and when she started to play in international tournaments.

    Susi was a bit late achiever.

    At the moment, nobody will know whether any of young INA WS can achieve later.
    I do not agree with your statement...

    Just to mention a few of her achievements:

    Susi was only 16 and 17 yo respectively when she won the Bimantara Jakarta Open Jr 1987 and 1988 (later become World Junior Championship) - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badmint...haft_(Junioren)

    When she was 16, she has become the runner-up WS at SEA Games 1987 Jakarta (plus gold medal for the women team event), and finally won her first WS title at SEA Games 1989 KL when she was 18 yo - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Südosta...ele_(Badminton)

    She was the 2nd WS of INA Team in Uber Cup 1988 when she was just 17yo and had a nice game with Han Aiping: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtTn0...feature=relmfu

    Her career in All England tournament is more outstanding...
    1988 (17 yo) : she lost in third round against Helen Troke (Eng); In the previous stage, Susi won against Kirsten Larsen of DEN who was the defend champion.
    1989 (18 yo) : she became the finalist lost to Li Lingwei (CHN)
    1990 (19 yo) : she got her first AE WS title...!!!

    She won her first World Cup title in 1989 (18 yo) by beating Han Aiping!
    She also won her first title at World Badminton Grand Prix Finals in 1990 (19 yo)...

    Her career spanned over about 10 years, with her last titles were in 1997 (winner of INA Open, MAS Open, Vietnam Open and World Cup).
    She quited badminton in 1998 after helped INA team to be runner up in Uber Cup and being finalist at Singapore Open 1998 (one of the only tournaments that she has never won along with Asian Games ....)
    http://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susi_Susanti

    So... It is not true that Susi was a late achiever!!
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    Well, well, well, INA ladies lost to the second seed JPN 2-3 in a titanic battle match. I think they have shown great spirit.. Greysia/Meiliana lost 19-21 in the third games. JPN is leading 2-0 then. Firda perfomed superbly to beat higher ranked Eriko Hirose to put a liitle hope on INA team, 1-2. On the fourth match, Nitya/Feinya outclassed the WR#6 to make it 2-2. Last match is soooooooo intense, Lindaweni was leading a few points in third games but ending losing.

    here is what Linda and Greysia comment on twitter :

    greysia : Tears r streaming down my face when I see all people are trying to cheer us up. We couldnt paid with a winning! Thank u indonesia!

    lindaweni : My apologize for my team n indonesia,I'm sorry

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    so far, don't see any complaint or bashed for the uber team. I am proud of you too INA Uber team!! You have fight till the last drop.




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    Quote Originally Posted by miksss View Post
    Well, well, well, INA ladies lost to the second seed JPN 2-3 in a titanic battle match. I think they have shown great spirit.. Greysia/Meiliana lost 19-21 in the third games. JPN is leading 2-0 then. Firda perfomed superbly to beat higher ranked Eriko Hirose to put a liitle hope on INA team, 1-2. On the fourth match, Nitya/Feinya outclassed the WR#6 to make it 2-2. Last match is soooooooo intense, Lindaweni was leading a few points in third games but ending losing.

    here is what Linda and Greysia comment on twitter :

    greysia : Tears r streaming down my face when I see all people are trying to cheer us up. We couldnt paid with a winning! Thank u indonesia!

    lindaweni : My apologize for my team n indonesia,I'm sorry

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    so far, don't see any complaint or bashed for the uber team. I am proud of you too INA Uber team!! You have fight till the last drop.





    Yup, still better better better than INA Thomas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ullisse View Post
    So... It is not true that Susi was a late achiever!!
    Yup, she's not late bloomer, being 1990 AE Champ for the first time, 1992 Barcelona OG Gold Medalist, 1993 World Champ in 19, 21, 22 y.o respectively, those result are really outstanding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by miksss View Post

    so far, don't see any complaint or bashed for the uber team. I am proud of you too INA Uber team!! You have fight till the last drop.
    Yeah, they have given their best but only one winner in competition, too bad this time is not for INA Uber team.

    Meanwhile for the first time INA Thomas team failed to reach final four, what a setback in INA badminton history Japan boys played superbly yesterday, against the odds to overcome INA and they did it!

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    INA Uber Cup Team has fought really well, I am very proud of it.. No complain.. Just that the coaches should have known a few of their weaknesses & come back stronger at UC 2014. We could win it if our gals fighting like this again...

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