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12-15-2008, 11:55 AM #613
12-15-2008, 06:25 PM #614
12-15-2008, 08:27 PM #615
12-15-2008, 08:55 PM #616
I don't think the problem of Pratama training is the place or the coaching. The big problem is funding for the training and sending the players to some internatonal event.
The lack of money has forced PBSI give less attention to junior players to compete in international events.
PBSI should hold Pratama Pelatnas in 3 or 4 places and give assistant in every place to get some sponsorship (I think from local company since the trainee aren't big name who can attract to get big money).
The Pelatnas pratama could be held example in Djarum, Jaya Raya, Tangkas & Ragunan
12-15-2008, 09:09 PM #617
Here are the events that are suitable for Pelatnas Pratama players:
April 2009 -- Vietnam Int Challenge, Smiling Fish Thailand Int Series
June 2009 -- New Zealand Int Challenge, Indonesia Super Series (home event, no added cost)
July 2009 -- Australia Int Challenge, Laos Int Challenge or KLRC New Zealand Open GP (for those experienced Pratama players)
Aug 2009 -- GGJP Indonesia Int Challenge
Nov 2009 -- Malaysia Int Challenge
8 events + 2 more perhaps in Singapore (Int Series or Int Challenge) or Bahrain should give them sufficient exposure.
The same goes for every Pelatnas players also must have promotion/demotion so that they will be motivated to give their best.
12-16-2008, 10:29 AM #618
Their motivation of funding badminton is for INA glory through their own players... The big clubs loovveee seeing their own players play on behalf of INA and if possible they want a large majority of the INA National Team members to come from their own club and as few as possible from the other clubs. Training or funding another club's players in their club is not something that they desire... Yes, for the big clubs, money is not the biggest motivation factor, however, club glory is... Fact!
I'm sure all Englishmen involved in Arsenal or Liverpool genuinely want to see their England National Team become champions, but the Arsenal organization does not want to train Liverpool players...
Don't get us wrong, we want the younger players of INA to get international playing experience... Let's make that clear. However, we only have enough money for tickets and accomodation. We don't have any money to fund your training by creating a Pelatnas Pratama etc.!
If you really think, believe [and support] that we should have a Pratama team, donate money to us now. If you don't... then sorry the reality is: we have no money for it!!! The government won't give enough, you won't give enough... Please stop complaining and face reality!
Any player younger than 24 years old are eligible to compete for TWO tickets in MS, TWO tickets in WS, TWO tickets for 1 MD pair, TWO tickets for 1 WD pair, TWO tickets for 1 XD pair. ...to compete in the Vietnam International Challenge and the Thai International Series in April 2009...
We choose the best 8 MS, 8 WS, 4 MD, 4 WD, 4 XD [all under 24 years old] to compete for the tickets mentioned. In the meantime, everyone should train in their own club!!!! [no financial burden for PBSI Pusat]
During the 1970s, PBSI had no ranking system, so they had to assemble the best players [by reputation only] from East Java, Central Java, West Java, etc... Nowadays, the ranking system can be used to determine who can join the selection process...
This 'selection' system worked fine in the 1970s and the internal rivalry between the various clubs in INA was VERY VERY intense. There was a lot of healthy competitive spirit across clubs in INA. All clubs want to gain club glory and pride if their players represent INA as a result of a very competitive [and prestigious] selection process...
Another result of the tough tough tough selections... the players who did represent INA abroad are battle hardened, battle tested, and hungry for further glory! INA players were very feared at that time...
I heard, 1970s PBSI had selections for almost every tournament!.... Ok, admittedly, the tournaments were fewer back then. Only Japan Open, etc... But still, the logic of fierce selection in light of inadequate funds is still a good idea for an individual sport like badminton...
Last edited by Krisna; 12-16-2008 at 10:32 AM.
12-16-2008, 11:03 AM #619
Pelatnas will hold a special selection every quarter for places in 3-4 tourneys. In this way, every chance of participation will be precious to these young players and will motivate them even harder to win the titles and push their ranks up the tables.
I see this as a win-win situation, compared to the centralized training but no chance to participate issue right now.
12-17-2008, 03:37 AM #620
Training Camp', frankly, has a lot of benefits... but, it means nothing if the athletes are not given the opportunity to compete in real tournaments. Training and travelling cost of an effective year-long Centralized Training Camp will not be light...
China and Korea can do it as long as the Central Government allocates funds for it... Most other nations on Earth do not do it... because it is costly! INA is not a rich country [at this time]. We have to behave according to our financial strength...
One benefit that people don't often talk about is the 'sparring benefits' within each club. Imagine PB. Tangkas' MS sparring quality for their juniors if Alamsyah and Indra Bagus practice with Ari Trisanto, Evert Sukamta etc. PB. Djarum will also benefit if they have Bandar Sigit, Gepeng, Adit, Engga practicing with their up & coming Juniors like Pandu, Riyanto, etc. Financial burden for the club increase a bit, but not much. Anyway, the clubs will fund the players as long as they have the possibility of bringing glory to their club.
Thus, we should return to the 1970s INA system for now!
12-17-2008, 04:27 AM #621
Honestly, some players who are not really perfoming are still kept in Pelatnas. I think you know who they are So, instead of letting them rot in Pelatnas, just send them back to their own clubs and act as sparring partners for the younger club players. It will also increase the potential of them being hired back to the club as coaches instead in the future?
Centralized training will make sense for the elite players only.
12-17-2008, 11:47 AM #622
12-21-2008, 04:56 AM #623
01-01-2009, 05:36 AM #624
just want to say,,,
"happy new year everybody..!!"
hope a good journey for all Indonesia shuttler on this 2009...
01-01-2009, 11:02 PM #625
why the post here so long, i'm confused
01-01-2009, 11:13 PM #626
01-03-2009, 12:53 AM #627
Again, internal problem...
Taken from The Jakarta Post (03 January-09) :
Taufik snubs PBSI call-up to camp
Niken Prathivi, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Sat, 01/03/2009 10:33 AM | Sports
Badminton ace Taufik Hidayat has rejected a call-up to the national badminton training camp for 2009 in protest at the omission of his coach Mulyo Handoyo from the coaching lineup.
The rejection is the latest spat between the Badminton Association of Indonesia (PBSI) and the 27-year-old star who has outshone his national peers in international tournaments but suffered a dip in performance during 2008.
"Pak Mulyo knows me well. He knows my playing style, and in fact, he was the one who shaped me into winning the Olympic (gold) back in 2004," Taufik said Friday.
He was present at the training camp in Cipayung, East Jakarta, but refused to sign the recruitment letter after learning Mulyo was not on the coaching list.
"I don't think I'd be compatible with another coach. It's not that I'm underestimating them, it's only that I've 'clicked' in this great relationship Pak Mulyo," Taufik said, adding he would definitely join the camp if Mulyo's name was back on the list.
Taufik has enjoyed international success since going under Mulyo's tutelage in 1996. Besides the Olympic gold, regarded as the holy grail of athletic achievement, Taufik won the world championship in 2005, the Asian Championship three times and the Asian Games gold medals twice, in 2002 and 2006.
This is not Taufik's first run-in with the country's badminton authority, currently chaired by newly elected Djoko Santoso.
In 2001 and 2006, Taufik threatened to quit the national team, prompting the PBSI to give in to his demands to put Mulyo back in charge of the player.
However, the PBSI looks unlikely to back down on its latest decision.
"Any player, including Taufik, has the right to refuse to join the national training camp. So it's okay," said Lius Pongoh, PBSI athlete development head.
Lius, a prominent shuttler during the 1980s, said the PBSI decision to exclude Mulyo would stand.
"From our evaluation, we consider Mulyo as having failed to discipline Taufik in terms of the training schedule. For instance, Taufik missed our physical tests in the last four years," he said, adding the excuses given were overused.
Meanwhile, the badminton season-opening Super Series tournaments in Malaysia and South Korea are in sight, and Lius said the PBSI would send 19 players, including Sony Dwi Kuncoro and Simon Santoso in the men's singles, Olympic gold medalists Markis Kido and Hendra Setiawan in the men's doubles, and Olympic silver medalists Nova Widianto and Liliyana Natsir in the mixed doubles.
The other three national team players, Greysia Polii and Nitya in the women's doubles, and Olympic bronze medalist Maria Kristin Yulianti in the women's singles, have been ruled out because of injuries.
The Malaysian Super Series will take place from Jan. 6-11 and the Korean event from Jan. 13-18.
01-03-2009, 01:39 AM #628
Taken from today's Kompas:
List of 22 players called back into Pelatnas, 1st stage (call-up will be done in several stages):
*Maria Kristin Yulianti
*Pia Zebadiah Bernadet
*Greysia Polii/Nitya Krishinda
*Shendy Puspa Irawati/Meiliana Jauhari
*Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan
*Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki
*Bona Septano/Muhammad Ahsan
*Nova Widianto/Liliyana Natsir
*Muhammad Rijal/Vita Marissa
*Devin Lahardi/Lita Nurlita
*as CLELY says, Taufik refused to join due to omission of Mulyo Handoyo, his current coach.
*Each discipline will be overseen by 1 coach only (Hendrawan for MS, Marleve Mainaky for WS, Sigit Pamungkas for MD, Aryono Miranat for WD, and Richard Mainaky for XD).
*Lius Pongoh stated that only about 40 of originally 86 players will be called back into Pelatnas.
*Next stage call-ups will include Pratama players and players selected in Seleknas held in February 2009.
*Some Pratama players will be promoted into senior team.
Best of luck for them all.
01-03-2009, 04:48 AM #629
I am not sure about bu Yati..forget to ask.
Jason was recruited by KONI then KONI asked him to train INA badminton players for Olympics only...then He was supposed to join with India team to prepare them for Commonwealth game with Atik Jauhari and recently Hariawan joined them...I heard from Saina..he was there for only one week then he is gone...
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