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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    In the end, it's all about money, right?

    A little OOT: From what I've read, Pak Prabowo, one of the running candidates for vice president, is very wealthy.
    His wealth is worth about Rp. 1,7 T.
    Ask him to donate some for INA baddie ya?
    i couldnt agree more, bro
    yeah i heard abt that too....surely Prabowo wouldnt care abt baddy right now hahaha its all abt getting elected

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    I didn't know there have been such a bunch of politics in INA's badminton. I can take a glimpse by the people from INA here about why they are always good at debating and blaming. Hope PBSI can bring more freedom to the players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narnia View Post
    I didn't know there have been such a bunch of politics in INA's badminton. I can take a glimpse by the people from INA here about why they are always good at debating and blaming. Hope PBSI can bring more freedom to the players.
    What do you mean? I think KOR peole are good at debating and blaming too...look at how the politians beat each other..even a man slapping women during political debates in KOR ....at least INA people has not done yet..at least when INA players lose, we do not find any excuses...we accept their loss and hardly we blame or cursing our players....

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    What do you mean? I think KOR peole are good at debating and blaming too...look at how the politians beat each other..even a man slapping women during political debates in KOR ....at least INA people has not done yet..at least when INA players lose, we do not find any excuses...we accept their loss and hardly we blame or cursing our players....
    Why then are there so many politics and problems with players in PBSI? I'm reading what you guys are debating. Why did Kido and other players go out of the National team and return...? Not supporting enough for the OG Gold medalist? So, what's the problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    Hence, "... or so..."
    Feel free to use +5, +10, or even +15 years to replace those 2 words, mister.
    ..a reminder, in case people still think Taufik just came out of nowhere recently & can still depend on him to save INA's day..

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    Quote Originally Posted by narnia View Post
    Why then are there so many politics and problems with players in PBSI? I'm reading what you guys are debating. Why did Kido and other players go out of the National team and return...? Not supporting enough for the OG Gold medalist? So, what's the problem?
    There are many problems in INA badminton... it has always been like that... ...even during the Mr. Dick Sudirman. Somehow we manage to win the Thomas Cup 13 times and the Uber Cup 3 times. Imagine INA badminton without any problems... maybe we could have won 16 Thomas Cups and 8 Uber Cups...

    I think today's administration will be better than the 2 previous ones... The next 4 years will not be free of problems! That is for sure. Yet.. will we discuss them openly and constructively? Yes! Will we have strong opinions on what is right and what should be done? Yes! Will we still face lack of government support and funding? Yes! Will the government continue to underappreciate Olympic Medalist? Yes! Will we still move on despite all our past-present-and-future misdeeds? Yes! Will we do our best despite all the unfavorable conditions? Yes! Will we try to improve things even though they are hard? Hell yes!

    INA badminton soul is like a flame that is very much alive and growing day by day... We want a better future now! We want it more than ever before!

    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..a reminder, in case people still think Taufik just came out of nowhere recently & can still depend on him to save INA's day..
    Taufik will not be thinking about saving INA's day... he wants a prosperous career as a true professional in his field... Good for him, yet good for us INA fans too... Win-win.
    Last edited by Krisna; 05-21-2009 at 09:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    maybe we could have won 16 Thomas Cups and 8 Uber Cups...

    The next 4 years will not be free of problems! That is for sure. Yet.. will we discuss them openly and constructively? Yes! Will we have strong opinions on what is right and what should be done? Yes! Will we still face lack of government support and funding? Yes! Will the government continue to underappreciate Olympic Medalist? Yes! Will we still move on despite all our past-present-and-future misdeeds? Yes! Will we do our best despite all the unfavorable conditions? Yes! Will we try to improve things even though they are hard? Hell yes!

    INA badminton soul is like a flame that is very much alive and growing day by day... We want a better future now! We want it more than ever before!
    hahaha i like this especially the government part wkwkwkwkwk!!
    but seriously, for the love of GOD, why does INA government not want to be involved with bulutangkis tanah air??...did the government ever financially support PBSI previously?

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    [quote=Krisna;1172258]There are many problems in INA badminton... it has always been like that... ...even during the Mr. Dick Sudirman. Somehow we manage to win the Thomas Cup 13 times and the Uber Cup 3 times. Imagine INA badminton without any problems... maybe we could have won 16 Thomas Cups and 8 Uber Cups...

    Hi Krisna: 16X that is a big maybe...KOR/DEN have never won TC...MAS won beating INA...therefore to win the extra 3 TC, INA would need to take from CHN and that is not easy...also a case can be made that INA may not have won 13 TC (same for MAS too) if CHN had been competing in TC from day one.
    Agree with you politics and sport never can mix...LYB iron fist running CHN baddy result in a unified and powerful team, of course with CHN deep pocket investment in baddy and so much talent from a huge population to draw on makes it so much easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick.h View Post
    hahaha i like this especially the government part wkwkwkwkwk!!
    but seriously, for the love of GOD, why does INA government not want to be involved with bulutangkis tanah air??...did the government ever financially support PBSI previously?
    To my knowledge there is no such thing as a permanent yearly fund for INA badminton in the government budget. There are sporadic funds for SEA Games, Asian Games, and the Olympics... The funds are given to either the Ministry of Sports or KONI. KONI then give it to PBSI. ...So, our government do still contribute to INA badminton, just not directly and continuously...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    Hi Krisna: 16X that is a big maybe...KOR/DEN have never won TC...MAS won beating INA...therefore to win the extra 3 TC, INA would need to take from CHN and that is not easy...also a case can be made that INA may not have won 13 TC (same for MAS too) if CHN had been competing in TC from day one.
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    If INA is to count a total of 13 TC titles, then MAS has won 5 TC titles, if one is to count in to the very first Thomas Cup edition (1949). Hey, it ain't MAS' or INA's fault if CHN didn't participate since the very first edition..

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    First concern:
    Our Air Force suffers another disaster.
    More than 90 people died in an C-130 crash.

    Second concern:
    As the Commander of INA military, Pak Djoko surely has to be responsible for this disaster.
    If this keeps going on, when will he have enough focus on INA baddie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    If INA is to count a total of 13 TC titles, then MAS has won 5 TC titles, if one is to count in to the very first Thomas Cup edition (1949). Hey, it ain't MAS' or INA's fault if CHN didn't participate since the very first edition..
    I agree with you 100% and I have stated the same too in previous posts that is any player/country choose not to participate, then forever rest your peace. What I meant to say is that prior to CHN rejoining BWF, when INA won TC, the other finalist in MAS and vice versa. KOR/DEN have never won TC, close several times though. When CHN rejoin BWF, except for 1992 when MAS won TC, CHN and INA won the rest, right? Therefore, for INA to win 3 more TCs, INA has to take 3 TCs from CHN and that is not easy task, whether or not PBSI has lots of $$$. In another posts, I agree with Ants and Zabee that $$$ does not buy winners, it helps though.

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    ..if one is to count the TC edition starting from 1990, both CHN and MAS have appeared in the same number of Final Rd., 5 total. INA has 6 Final Rd. appearances. So, no, INA would have to fight both CHN and MAS if they are to get all 16 titles (the other 3 titles).

    So, next yr, there could be a very high possibility for both CHN and MAS to tie INA in terms of the number of Final Rd., by appearing together in the Final Rd....that would be some battle & if the MAS doubles can take 2 pts from CHN, then it'll be down to LCW vs. LD to settle the score..wow!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    ..if one is to count the TC edition starting from 1990, both CHN and MAS have appeared in the same number of Final Rd., 5 total. INA has 6 Final Rd. appearances. So, no, INA would have to fight both CHN and MAS if they are to get all 16 titles (the other 3 titles).

    So, next yr, there could be a very high possibility for both CHN and MAS to tie INA in terms of the number of Final Rd., by appearing together in the Final Rd....that would be some battle & if the MAS doubles can take 2 pts from CHN, then it'll be down to LCW vs. LD to settle the score..wow!!
    CHN only weakness is in 2nd MD...MAS weak in 2nd and 3rd MS and an OK 2nd MD...and I won't write INA off cos INA 2nd and 3rd MS could be better than MAS unless Hendrawan can turn HH around and if INA 1st MD beat KKK/TBH, INA could go to final...and thanks for checking in TC final appearances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagdpanther View Post
    As the Commander of INA military, Pak Djoko surely has to be responsible for this disaster.
    If this keeps going on, when will he have enough focus on INA baddie?
    Pak Djoko attended today's Jakarta Open finals... He has enough time for that...

    Quote Originally Posted by OneToughBirdie View Post
    I agree with you 100% and I have stated the same too in previous posts that is any player/country choose not to participate, then forever rest your peace. What I meant to say is that prior to CHN rejoining BWF, when INA won TC, the other finalist in MAS and vice versa.
    Oh by the way, it is not INA's and MAS' fault that China didn't play in the past. Ask Chairman Mao Zedong about that...

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    Oh by the way, it is not INA's and MAS' fault that China didn't play in the past. Ask Chairman Mao Zedong about that... [/quote]

    Agree with you..what I am saying is that if CHN had never withdrawn, TC will be even more competitive...not that CHN, even with the Thing and Hou Chia Chang, will win over INA for sure cos INA was very strong then with Rudy, Lim,Tjun-Tjun, Christian, etc. Politics interfering with sports, the ones to pay are the fans and the players...just like CHN ping pong team, who knows how many MS title Chuang Tse Tung (3 consecutive MS title before boycot) and WS title Lin Hui Ching would have won if CHN did not boycott world table tennis championship for 6 years, and Japan won bigtime during those 6 years.

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    Btw-tw, anyone know about agripina prima, sigit pamungkas's son? He won boy single in jakarta open. Beat kenas from djarum. Is he great?

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