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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    I agree with you! And it will not be easy winning a National Circuit title... I think Yoga, Nugroho-type players will have a hard time beating Budi Santoso, Fauzi Adnan... Not easy!
    Budi Santoso and Fauzi Adnan are the regular Finalists of the Sirkuit Nasional. We need some other players to challenge them

    I think Bandar Sigit Pamungkas also lost to one of them this week

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    .in local tourney..tough to beat any Djarum girls ( Febby, Ana, Rosaria, Febe, Fransiska and Fira)
    I also don't think even the second-team (Aprilia Yuswandari, Lindaweni Fanetri) will find it easy to them either of these Djarum WS players, let alone the WS Pratama players....
    Last edited by badMania; 07-26-2009 at 03:16 AM.

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    Question to all INA Badminton historians out there:
    "Can you list the winners of the club competition in Kejurnas throughout history"?

    I personally do not have the complete answer... I do know some but not complete...
    For instance, I know:
    2008 Tangkas won 3-2, Djarum runner-up
    2006 Jaya Raya won 3-1, Tangkas runner-up
    2004 SGS won, Suryanaga runner-up

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    So Rendy is not partnering Angga for the Sirkuit Nasional Tegal & Surabaya + the Indonesia Int Challenge?
    I posted this under 2009 Asia Junior Championships (AJC), July 12-19 thread:

    According to Bambang Supriyanto (Pratama MD Coach), Rendy/Angga will not be permanent pair. They will be paired again on WJC, but Bambang preferred Angga/Ryan for long term, and will looking for another boy to play with Rendy. If his decision is right, INA will have two promising MD, but if he's wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krisna View Post
    I agree with you! And it will not be easy winning a National Circuit title... I think Yoga, Nugroho-type players will have a hard time beating Budi Santoso, Fauzi Adnan... Not easy!

    that's why they're not join national circuit...

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    Last heard the Pelatnas Pratama players like Adi Pratama and Evert Sukamta lost in the first round of Sirkuit Nasional Jatim to Agustinus (Djarum) and Tan Yuhan respectively.

    Once again, I ask this question: "what the hell have they been doing all these while in AkMil Magelang???", especially for Evert Sukamta!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Once again, I ask this question: "what the hell have they been doing all these while in AkMil Magelang???", especially for Evert Sukamta!!!!

    hahaha i ask the same question myself.
    in my opinion, the reason why mr. djoko santoso is putting our young talents through such misery is because he has identified one of our major problems in the past to be DISCIPLINE (or the lack there of). Therefore, (i think) he feels that by putting them in AkMil Magelang, the youngsters would learn to be more discipline and more importantly to have bigger respect for the rules laid out in front of them in pelatnas. so there will be no more 'badminton bad boy' aka one taufik hidayat in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badMania View Post
    Last heard the Pelatnas Pratama players like Adi Pratama and Evert Sukamta lost in the first round of Sirkuit Nasional Jatim to Agustinus (Djarum) and Tan Yuhan respectively.

    Once again, I ask this question: "what the hell have they been doing all these while in AkMil Magelang???", especially for Evert Sukamta!!!!
    I can't understand to Evert's performance, he still 17 and just back from AJC but my question to Adi Pratama who still fresh lost to "Kiki" in 2 sets easily.

    PBSI has made mistake since Pratama selection, too much players who failed in 2008 qualified in this year and their age aren't young anymore (all over 19).

    Another mistake is a lot of important decision were taken by 2 PBSI Officials, no wonder that mostly of Pelatnas coaches and Pratama selected players have relations with those 2 officials.
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    Other Pelatnas Pratama players who lost in the second round:
    Hermansyah lost to Bandar Sigit Pamungkas (Djarum) [1] 14-21, 15-21.
    Siswanto lost to Stenny Kusuma (Spain) 11-21, 13-21.

    Ary Trisnanto [6] won WO yet again after his opponents in the first two rounds were absent. he will only play his first match tomorrow. Budi Santoso [3] was also absent today and his opponent Wisnu Broto (Suryanaga) benefited from that.

    Other senior players like Jeffer Rosobin (now coaching in SIN) and Rony Agustinus also progress to the third-round.

    Other players who won include: Fauzi Adnan [2], Indra Bagus Ade Chandra [4], Ardiansyah Putra [5] and Ariyanto Hariyadi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post
    I can't understand to Evert's performance, he still 17 and just back from AJC but my question to Adi Pratama who still fresh lost to "Kiki" in 2 sets easily.

    PBSI has made mistake since Pratama selection, too much players who failed in 2008 qualified in this year and their age aren't young anymore (all over 19).

    Another mistake is a lot of important decision were taken by 2 PBSI Officials, no wonder that mostly of Pelatnas coaches and Pratama selected players have relations with those 2 officials.
    Actually Joko is the one who takes risk by recruiting young players...the past chairmen would not take risk and prefer to use existing players...thats the reason why our INA regeneration is too slow....the past chairmen were too ego for their own political careers....
    I am not going to expect much from those pratama players yet...actually some of them are really good...pls note that after few months..some could be dropped out...

    Also some coaches including Christian prefers not to have selection for players then again some say it is not fair, can be KKN, etc...
    Honestly like Annisa, she is so petite.INA coaches wont select her due to his height but she won the selection in WD....it is tough...look at china;s [;ayers...some of them are talented but due to their height, not selected but they perform well....
    I am not defending Joko but I do admire his willingness to take risk to train young players.he,even, himself said he is ready that INA badminton has no result in next 2 yrs....china had that vacuum before....

    God bless INA badminton..I am still having hopes on INA badminton...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick.h View Post
    hahaha i ask the same question myself.
    in my opinion, the reason why mr. djoko santoso is putting our young talents through such misery is because he has identified one of our major problems in the past to be DISCIPLINE (or the lack there of). Therefore, (i think) he feels that by putting them in AkMil Magelang, the youngsters would learn to be more discipline and more importantly to have bigger respect for the rules laid out in front of them in pelatnas. so there will be no more 'badminton bad boy' aka one taufik hidayat in the future.
    If you have been in pelatnas...there was no discipline at all on our current players...recently PBSI applied some restrictions and our players are whining...they need to learn how to independent, not ot be spoon feed all the time....eventhough some rules could be viewed a bit ridiculous but I think they should know that those rules are good for them in future....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post
    I can't understand to Evert's performance, he still 17 and just back from AJC but my question to Adi Pratama who still fresh lost to "Kiki" in 2 sets easily.
    I mean : I can understand ..........

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Actually Joko is the one who takes risk by recruiting young players...the past chairmen would not take risk and prefer to use existing players...thats the reason why our INA regeneration is too slow....the past chairmen were too ego for their own political careers....
    I am not going to expect much from those pratama players yet...actually some of them are really good...pls note that after few months..some could be dropped out...

    Also some coaches including Christian prefers not to have selection for players then again some say it is not fair, can be KKN, etc...
    Honestly like Annisa, she is so petite.INA coaches wont select her due to his height but she won the selection in WD....it is tough...look at china;s [;ayers...some of them are talented but due to their height, not selected but they perform well....
    I am not defending Joko but I do admire his willingness to take risk to train young players.he,even, himself said he is ready that INA badminton has no result in next 2 yrs....china had that vacuum before....

    God bless INA badminton..I am still having hopes on INA badminton...

    I think PBSI recruited many new players not only this year,
    2008 Seleknas looked understandable and the number almost same with 2009, the average age of players also younger than 2009. So we can compare both year :


    WS :
    Pratama 2008
    old member :
    Febby Angguni

    New member :
    Lindaweni
    Alva Vivianita
    Siti Anida
    Rizky Amelia Pradipta
    Bellaetrix
    Maria Febe (back to club by own decision, because of ill)

    Pratama 2009
    Old members:
    Bellaetrix
    Siti Anida

    new members:
    Mazziyah Nadhir
    Hera Desi
    Tike Arieda
    (these 3 players weren't qualify in 2008)
    Rena Suwarno


    MS :
    Pratama 2008
    Yoga Pratama
    Nugroho Andi Saputro
    Engga Setiawan
    Nandang Arief
    Adi Pratama
    Senatria

    Pratama 2009
    Old members :
    Adi Pratama
    Nandang Arief
    Senatria

    new members:
    Ary Trisnanto
    Evert Sukamta
    Hermansyah
    (all still U-19)

    Siswanto
    Seto Danu
    Pandu Dewantoro


    WD :
    Pratama 2008
    Anissa Wahyuni/Nimas Rani
    Komala Dewi/Debby Susanto [Djarum]
    Weni Setyawati/Anneke Feinya
    Samantha Lintang
    Keisya

    Pratama 2009
    Old member :
    Weni Setyawati

    new :
    Tiara/Suci
    Claudia Della
    Gebby
    (They are still U-19)
    Ayu Rahmasari/Dwi Agustiawati



    MD :
    Pratama 2008
    Erwin Wihardi/Rizki Delli Nugraha
    Wifqi Windarto/Afiat Yuris Wirawan
    Zulfikar/M. Nur Rofii
    Budi Hartono/Rendy Sugiarto
    Syahmi Syafrie/Krisna Adiwijaya
    Angga Pratama/Kevin Alexander

    Pratama 2009
    Old members :
    Rendy Sugiarto
    Angga Pratama/Kevin Alexander
    Erwin Wihardi/Rizki Delli Nugraha
    M. Nur Rofii

    New members :
    Rian Agung/Christopher Rusdianto
    Hendra Setyo/Andhika Anhar


    XD
    Pratama 2009
    Hendra Mulyono/Luluk Maria
    Irfan/Weni Anggraeni
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    How come PBSI not send SDK to world championship??

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    Quote Originally Posted by abesadi View Post
    How come PBSI not send SDK to world championship??
    ....Newlyweds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    If you have been in pelatnas...there was no discipline at all on our current players...recently PBSI applied some restrictions and our players are whining...they need to learn how to independent, not ot be spoon feed all the time....eventhough some rules could be viewed a bit ridiculous but I think they should know that those rules are good for them in future....
    I think the discipline issue has been a problem since early 2000s hasnt it?since the era of sigit budiarto (if im not mistaken). Which is why i think mr. santoso is making the correct stepping stones (towards the past, where everything was gold medals for INA badminton) by sending them to a place where discipline is the daily code of conduct.

    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    Actually Joko is the one who takes risk by recruiting young players...the past chairmen would not take risk and prefer to use existing players...thats the reason why our INA regeneration is too slow....the past chairmen were too ego for their own political careers....
    I am not going to expect much from those pratama players yet...actually some of them are really good...pls note that after few months..some could be dropped out...

    Also some coaches including Christian prefers not to have selection for players then again some say it is not fair, can be KKN, etc...
    Honestly like Annisa, she is so petite.INA coaches wont select her due to his height but she won the selection in WD....it is tough...look at china;s [;ayers...some of them are talented but due to their height, not selected but they perform well....
    I am not defending Joko but I do admire his willingness to take risk to train young players.he,even, himself said he is ready that INA badminton has no result in next 2 yrs....china had that vacuum before....

    God bless INA badminton..I am still having hopes on INA badminton...
    Ya i agree with Hau-ge. PBSI really does need risk takers. for the last couple of generations (2000-2008), we havent really seen as many junior players who rose up to the 1st team as we would have liked (apart from the doubles department e.g. kido/hendra, bona/ahsan, polii, butet, etc). but even so, we havent seen much talents similar to the likes of TG or sigit whom i think are still the best MD players INA ever produced.
    back to topic ... i dont think 2 years is enough to grow back INA's quality and prestige...i would say vacuuming is the right thing to do now seeing as a few promising young talents are emerging to the baddy world, the next generation would certainly be better than the current ones

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    Two more Pratama MS players are eliminated in R16. Ary Trisnanto lost to Jeffer Rosobin (coaching in SIN right now) in 3-sets: 21-19, 19-21, 16-21. Senatria Agus Setia Putra also lost to Fauzi Adnan 14-21, 7-21.

    Partial MS QF:
    Bandar Sigit Pamungkas (Djarum) [1] vs Jeffer Rosobin (SIN)
    Pandu Dewantoro (Pelatnas) [8] vs Fauzi Adnan (Suryanaga) [2]

    WS QF:
    Febby Angguni [1] vs Maziyah Nadhir (Pelatnas)
    Tieke Arieda Ningrum (Pelatnas) [3] vs Angeline Santoso (Jaya Raya)
    Yulia Yosephine (Jaya Raya) vs ??
    Hera Desi (Pelatnas) Ana Rovita (Djarum) [2]

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