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    Quote Originally Posted by huangkwokhau View Post
    What Richard said it is correct...under Djoko' adminitration, Fuad from Logistic and M.Ferryansyah ( from nowhere) but a lot to say in Binpres so Mr.Hadi Nasri and Waketu Mr.Sabar which he supervises on training department HAS NO SAY and these to ( Fuad and Ferry) which do not even knw the rules of Badminton intervenes and they do make decision where and which players to go to tournaments...
    Especially Ferry who brought Li Mao and considers himself like GURU and VERY VERY DAMN ARROGANT...even he yelled at INA coaches during Thomas -Uber qualification for the rules he even did not know...
    Thats why PBSI so screwed up!! how come on earth person like Ferry has no position in PBSI ( as far as I know, even he is given as Staff Ahli,it makes me puke as he is no badminton knowledge at all)...
    Basically these 2 dominated PBSI RIGHT now....these 2 has to go for sure..
    Even Ferry's son had a chance to train, sleep and eat at Pelatnas...whats the FCUK!!!!who the hell he thinks he is!! so Pelatnas has no value and glamour, his son even got his friend, a rapper wanna be to stay and play there too....even his son has no manner during his stay...thats ENOUGH IS ENOUGH ..I even sound so emotional..I have not seen Rudi Hartono and others were so emotional and upset during Conferense @ Century hotel.....
    No more to say!! THIS IS WORST PBSI MANAGEMENT WE HAVE EVER SEEN!!!
    Thanks for the informative statement, hauge..
    Appreciate it..

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    Well Hau-ge, isn't there anything you and others can do about it?

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    very little that normal fans can do. The election of the head of PBSI can be won by someone who has enough money or power to influence the voters.

    The club can make some players to be professional players but it is not that easy for young players(only players who have good achievement can attract enough sponsors)

    Just hope one day PBSI will be managed professionally. Actually the failure of Thomas Cup team this year might push it to be like that. If the current head is ashamed enough and resigned(which is unlikely, I think). Also need to hope the next head to be one who does not put his/her interest above other things

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    Mr.Joko decided to stay until Munas makes the decision...rumours have it saying some of Pengrov already got some "gifts".What we can do is putting the pressures on this regime....ivana and friends had forwarded to Minister of Sport and planning to bring it up to DPR...also still trying to arrange to havea panel show as well....

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    The Election voting System isn't good.
    The clubs don't have the right to vote, the right on Pengprov only.

    Mostly Pengprov are minor contribution to INA's Badminton. Just give some "money" to them, in many time we heard the candidate claimed supported by more than 20s Pengprovs bla bla bla.

    I think "AD/ART" (rules) of PBSI must be changed soon, so the Badminton people in Indonesia can decide their future by themselves not by some "minor" Pengprovs.

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    so sad with this condition..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandy View Post
    The Election voting System isn't good.
    The clubs don't have the right to vote, the right on Pengprov only.

    Mostly Pengprov are minor contribution to INA's Badminton. Just give some "money" to them, in many time we heard the candidate claimed supported by more than 20s Pengprovs bla bla bla.

    I think "AD/ART" (rules) of PBSI must be changed soon, so the Badminton people in Indonesia can decide their future by themselves not by some "minor" Pengprovs.
    I think AD/ART (rules) of all sports council/association in Indonesia should changed. It happens in all the sports Indonesian council/association. Look what happened to our Football Association

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    Flop raises concern as London looms
    31 May 2012

    http://www.nst.com.my/sports/badmint...-looms-1.89423

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    In a bid at damage control before the London Games, which open on July 27, PBSI general secretary Yacob Rusdianto told the Jakarta Post the body "gladly welcomed" the feedback.

    The PBSI was responding to a petition sent by furious players demanding a transparent probe into Indonesia's dramatic fall from grace in badminton.

    "What the PBSI has done so far -- upgrading the national training camp's facilities, providing physical coaches, doctors and psychologists -- all came from their suggestions," insisted Yacob.

    He also promised an evaluation of Indonesia's Wuhan flop would come soon but did not pull any punches over the team's performances.

    "In singles, we indeed were in deep trouble," said Yacob, underlining the concerns of the PBSI's critics by adding: "Also our opponents performed better than us."

    ..."We're still trying to figure out what went wrong," said Yacob, smarting from an outburst from 2004 Athens Olympic champion Taufik Hidayat.

    "The togetherness among team members on this year's Thomas and Uber Cup no longer existed," said Taufik, who suffered an upset loss by Japan's Kenichi Tago.

    Hidayat lamented that players did not socialise or pray together before or after matches.

    "I've been on the Thomas Cup team seven times and this was a first," he fumed.

    "One of the team members decided to go to Papua for some exhibition event two days before our departure (for China). The PBSI let him go. Where is the patriotism?"

    Ivana Lie, 1982 Asian Games gold medallist, accused PBSI officials of ignoring former players, laying the blame at the door of the body's under-fire chief Djoko Santoso.

    She and several players turned on China-born coach Li Mao, claiming it was wrong to appoint foreigners.

    "There's so much mismanagement," Ivana said. "Directly appointing a foreign coach... should be under the sports development division, but in reality, it wasn't." Reuters

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    Here is an article that correctly identifies some of the real issues that many associations from many countries are facing. Particularly, INA and MAS.

    Oh Indonesia!

    Dev Sukumar, May 26, 2012
    http://www.sportskeeda.com/2012/05/26/oh-indonesia/

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    This was the first time in the history of the world men’s team championships that the 13-time champions had failed to make the last four.

    ...What makes it particularly disturbing is that the defeats for Indonesia and Denmark were not because of the superiority of their opponents, but their own dwindling talent. Japan, who beat Indonesia, cannot boast of any extraordinary players in their line-up. They are a good team, no doubt, but Indonesia lost because the players who have carried the team’s fortunes over the last eight years or more have slowed down, and there is no replacement for them in sight. Taufik Hidayat fell to Kenichi Tago – once seen as a promising player but no world-beater on current form; while former world and Olympic champions Markis Kido and Hendra Setiawan (world No.9) were cut down by No.12 pair Noriyasu Hirata/ Hirokatsu Hashimoto. Indonesia’s No.3 player Dionysius Hayom Rumbaka could not even offer a token fight in the last rubber to Takuma Ueda, ranked 17 places below him at 38.

    ...Most critics are quick to blame PBSI, but one suspects that the reasons for Indonesia’s decline go beyond just the faults of the governing body. A national body can hardly do anything about a generational shift in perceptions and choices.

    ...Those familiar with the decline of professional boxing in the US will find resonance in this argument – that the decline of sporting talent in society has a lot to do with upward social mobility. Champions are often forged out of hunger – a hunger fomented early on in their childhood by having to live without food or money. In the developing economies today, there’s less hunger to excel in physically demanding sports because of wider choices to rise economically.

    This is not a watertight argument, for it is seen that rich societies consistently produce world champions too — but Indonesia’s case seems to fit in with this narrative. Solutions to the problem will therefore have to address generational attitudes too.

    Notwithstanding the reasons behind the decline of the former superpowers, it is painful for badminton fans to witness. China are left without worthy opponents, and that’s a sad commentary on the state of the game. Badminton has increased in breadth since the first Olympics in 1992, but it hasn’t increased in depth. More countries than ever have taken to the game, but in the countries where it used to be passionately followed, there is a crisis.

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    I don't agree with the dwindling talent statement. There is no shortage of talented players. Yes there is lack of extraordinary talent like Taufik or Mia. But the players are good enough to be among the best. What is lacking for this year compared to previous years is team spirit, part of it because of the PBSI lack of preparation. In the past, there is already strategies and team building a few months before the event. This year, the squad is formed and players involved only prepare from the deadline of the player registration.

    Of course part of it is due to the busy Olympic qualification period.

    I believe the current players can be as good as Hendrawan or Marleve but it is too late, the development stages have passed. Now they should concentrate on younger crop like Wisnu, Vito. I don't think any of them is as talented as Taufik but they can be as good as Sony or Simon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sen View Post
    I don't agree with the dwindling talent statement. There is no shortage of talented players. Yes there is lack of extraordinary talent like Taufik or Mia. But the players are good enough to be among the best. What is lacking for this year compared to previous years is team spirit, part of it because of the PBSI lack of preparation. In the past, there is already strategies and team building a few months before the event. This year, the squad is formed and players involved only prepare from the deadline of the player registration.

    Of course part of it is due to the busy Olympic qualification period.

    I believe the current players can be as good as Hendrawan or Marleve but it is too late, the development stages have passed. Now they should concentrate on younger crop like Wisnu, Vito. I don't think any of them is as talented as Taufik but they can be as good as Sony or Simon.
    Sadly, you've made the original point. And that would mean they may never win a SS or SSP, let alone TC/UC or AG/OG...

    I think what's lacking is the application, the will, mental strength and absolute belief, but that comes from actually winning once or twice, or at least getting to the finals of a SS regularly. I hardly know anything about PBSI or what happens there, but it is quite apparent that things are not running smoothly, and it might not be too wrong to say that the coaching programmes are not as intense or focussed as they used to be say, 10 years ago. Or maybe there is something missing in the approach of the coaching/support staff to their players. Or just a little bit of everything which adds up to a lot of difference.

    There are encouraging signs in doubles and XD, but so far there are no signs that any of these show the potential and pedigree to rise to the top of the heap. Again, these are just my mental observations based on my visual observations!

    Look, I'm a huge fan of INA badminton, and would just love the players to succeed! But I ask myself after studying body language, attitude, determination, application if there is any among all the exciting young players who can break away from the pack and make a run for the top. And sadly, I don't find the answer I'm looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miksss View Post
    let's see who will get sent to OG, Firda or Febe.
    Quote Originally Posted by luvina View Post
    Still chance for Firda? Looking her rank is hard to qualify..
    Quote Originally Posted by fathonezic View Post
    ina got 1 spot in WS... and PBSI will choose who will represent INA in Olympic....
    rumor said that firda will fill this spot... but only rumor...
    CONGRATS FIRDA bronze! bronze! bronze! bronze please!

    http://pb-pbsi.org/app/information/newsDetail.aspx?/988

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    Quote Originally Posted by cobalt View Post
    Sadly, you've made the original point. And that would mean they may never win a SS or SSP, let alone TC/UC or AG/OG...

    I think what's lacking is the application, the will, mental strength and absolute belief, but that comes from actually winning once or twice, or at least getting to the finals of a SS regularly. I hardly know anything about PBSI or what happens there, but it is quite apparent that things are not running smoothly, and it might not be too wrong to say that the coaching programmes are not as intense or focussed as they used to be say, 10 years ago. Or maybe there is something missing in the approach of the coaching/support staff to their players. Or just a little bit of everything which adds up to a lot of difference.

    There are encouraging signs in doubles and XD, but so far there are no signs that any of these show the potential and pedigree to rise to the top of the heap. Again, these are just my mental observations based on my visual observations!

    Look, I'm a huge fan of INA badminton, and would just love the players to succeed! But I ask myself after studying body language, attitude, determination, application if there is any among all the exciting young players who can break away from the pack and make a run for the top. And sadly, I don't find the answer I'm looking for.

    Clarification : when I wrote that they are not as talented as Taufik but can be as good as Simon, I don't mean that they may never win a SS or TC. Simon won SS before.

    Also, when INA won the TC in 1998, 2000 and 2002, they don't count on Taufik talent only. In fact Taufik lost some matches. Also, the ranking of the singles players are not dominating the world ranking like during Alan/Ardy/Joko times(the early 90s)

    But given their ranking, they can still win TC.

    With the right team spirit and preparation, I think this year INA should be able to beat JPN. But sadly that was lacking.

    Anyway, the failure to reach SF can cause the change in PBSI way, I hope.

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    Indonesian badminton's (after reading a couple of recent complaints from Hauge) current situation is rather peculiar.....and nothing really surprising either with what's been going on (with a country well known for its rampant corruption)...here we see an organization that's in turmoil & in disarray, with a total dysfunction at the top management level, and yet they've still managed to win a 2008 OG Gold and squeak in a 2012 AE victory....
    Winning another Gold at this yr 2012 OG would make it even more unique..That's Indonesian badminton for you folks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ctjcad View Post
    .. squeak in a 2012 AE victory....
    Winning another Gold at this yr 2012 OG would make it even more unique..That's Indonesian badminton for you folks..
    one of the reason that make mr. djoko think that INA badminton is still able to compete at the top level.

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    Highlights of the problems in PBSI (for the non-Indonesian BC members):
    1. Interference by other departments (eg: logistics) into the department that is in charge of players, coaches, and tournament planning in PBSI (Pembinaan Prestasi), used to be headed by Lius Pongoh and Hadi Nasri, both had now resigned. This is the first time I believe this department experienced more than 1 resignation during a single term of PBSI leadership (from 2008 to 2012). This is also the most serious problem happening in PBSI right now! How can the head of Logistics sit in the meetings involving tournament planning and even shouted orders? It's simply not in his job description as Lius Pongoh complained about in last night's dialogue.

    2. Slow regeneration process - I believe talents are there in Indonesia, but PBSI was too reliant on the senior players (because of their past achievements) such that regeneration process was neglected for a few years. That has serious consequences right now.

    3. Lack of long-term Mission and Vision - what is the plan post Olympics 2012? Nobody can probably answer that
    4. Leader who is probably misguided by his equally inept officials - how can Pak Djoko cite results of SEA Games 2011, beating MAS in the Thomas Cup Qualifying Campaign 2012, and most hilariously title (albeit only 1) in the Osaka Challenge 2012 as proofs that PBSI is STILL OKAY? This guy, Pak Fuad (the head of Logistics), even bragged about having 4 Pelatnas MS players in Sirnas Bandung (National Circuit) 2 weeks ago as the first time it happened...as if it's a real big achievements! Seriously dude....INA is guaranteed to be on the downhill course if we continue to have these officials in charge of PBSI.

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